Pro-Gun Anti-Gun.

[Deadmanwalking_05]

And that is one thing that gets to me,the thought of someone just showing up for an inspection of my home and property anytime they see fit.

And the whole thing of "Government Approval" it's bad enough you have to jump through hoops for the permit,what's to say they decide that you don't have the proper forms,Maybe changing it to match, what happened with the Weed stamps in either the late 20's-early 30's time period our (U.S.) government said "Yeah sure if you have the weed just bring it on over and buy a special stamp"the problem with that was the law was set up in such a way that those who showed up with said herb to purchase the stamp were then hauled off to the slammer for having the green on their person (You had to have the weed to get the stamp,but you had to have the stamp to lawfully obtain the weed)

What's to say the same thing couldn't happen with firearms ownership in that given situation?

It's trusting the government way too much in my opinion.

[Deadmanwalking_05]

Further from that,my firearms aren't just for hunting or target shooting (Though I do use them for that most often than not) They are also to be used in defense of self,against hoods that would like nothing more than to march in and destroy everything I've worked my guts out for (Both at street level,and at the highest office in the land)

Even more than that it is a right,just the same as free speech,or freedom of religion (Or the lack there of in my case)

[Unorigionality]

I agree with sane people having guns. People that have had a full mental evaluation, and are almost guaranteed not to walk into my home and shoot my family. enough said.

[CptSternn]

Originally Posted by Deadmanwalking_05

And that is one thing that gets to me,the thought of someone just showing up for an inspection of my home and property anytime they see fit....
It's trusting the government way too much in my opinion.

But yet having to show papers to travel from one sate to another, having to have papers to walk the streets else face arrest, having to hav papers to prove medical insurance before you can be admitted to a hospital - those things don't bother you, only having to show papers for a gun pissed you off?



America is the land of government intrusion. CCTV everywhere, stoplight cameras that do facial recognition searches, getting fingerprinted when cashing a cheque at your own bank - these things people have done daily and don't say boo about it, but when you talk about having to wait three days or register a gun Americans lose the plot.

You live in the closest thing there has ever been to an Orwellian Big Brother society, yet the only thing that gets people up in arms is the idea of restricting guns, or GOD FORBID having someone inspect your gun once a year.

Something seems a bit off there. Not picking on you mate, your response is no different than any other mates of mine I know who live there. It just amazes me you don't see the other privacy intrusions that happen everyday that everyone has been taught to overlook, while getting upset about something that is far less intrusive and done for a much greater good.

[Deadmanwalking_05]

Why do you think I (As well as others) feel the need to hold onto our weapons.

Because there may well be need for them to defend our liberty as free people.

But as for Government intrusions,I feel that they are not needed,and that the government should butt out of peoples lives for the most part.

[KontanKarite]

Originally Posted by Unorigionality

I agree with sane people having guns. People that have had a full mental evaluation, and are almost guaranteed not to walk into my home and shoot my family. enough said.

Your family's still alive? Because any crazy person could as easily kill your entire family with anything other than a gun.

Barricade the windows and doors and burn your house down, break in with a chainsaw, weed wacker, maybe even just drive up to your house with a fan full of home made explosives. And I'm one of the sane people.

[KontanKarite]

Originally Posted by CptSternn

But yet having to show papers to travel from one sate to another, having to have papers to walk the streets else face arrest, having to hav papers to prove medical insurance before you can be admitted to a hospital - those things don't bother you, only having to show papers for a gun pissed you off?



America is the land of government intrusion. CCTV everywhere, stoplight cameras that do facial recognition searches, getting fingerprinted when cashing a cheque at your own bank - these things people have done daily and don't say boo about it, but when you talk about having to wait three days or register a gun Americans lose the plot.

You live in the closest thing there has ever been to an Orwellian Big Brother society, yet the only thing that gets people up in arms is the idea of restricting guns, or GOD FORBID having someone inspect your gun once a year.

Something seems a bit off there. Not picking on you mate, your response is no different than any other mates of mine I know who live there. It just amazes me you don't see the other privacy intrusions that happen everyday that everyone has been taught to overlook, while getting upset about something that is far less intrusive and done for a much greater good.

I cross state borders almost every day. I've never needed "papers" to cross those borders.

You talk as if the United States have border patrols in every state, stopping every car on the road to check to see if their "papers" are in order.

[Deadmanwalking_05]

And when someone stops me and asks for papers my response will be "Go Fuck Yourself!"


If they try to pull me out of my car,or off my ATV they'll get a lovely parting gift of copper coated candies.

[Deadmanwalking_05]

If it's a traffic stop different story,but if it is just because they feel like it,they'll have some trouble on there hands.

[Deadmanwalking_05]

I meant to type *trouble on their hands *Damn Five Minute time limit*

[PortraitOfSanity]

Yea, and with post-9/11 security in place it'll go something like this:

Border agent: Papers please.
Deadmanwalking: Go fuck yourself!
Border agent: *sticks muzzle of M4 in Deadmanwalking's face*
Border agent: Papers please.
Deadmanwalking: Oh I'm sorry, here they are, I just posted this on a forum to promote my toughguy, gun-nut image. I'll just be on my way then. *drives away, and takes beefcake porn out of "secret" dashboard stash*
Border agent: Fucking Americans.

[Deadmanwalking_05]

The problem with that is I'm not on the border of anything except other states,If I were traveling through to Canada or Mexico that insult would have some sort of teeth.

But if I were driving around minding my own Business and not breaking any laws and someone stopped me for no other reason than they wanted to check my property or person because I don't fit what they see as the "Norm" then yes there would be trouble.

And the Agent pointing an M-4 in my face would be shot through the car door.

(I would take that as a personal threat)

[harlow]

MY question is, if your talking about Security measures increased due to 9-11, then why in the fuck would the border agent say "Fucking Americans", the agent would obviously be American sense your talking about 9-11. Mexico and Canada haven't done much to boost security, why would they, their not the ones being attacked.

Seriously, explain your stupidity please.

[Deadmanwalking_05]

Originally Posted by PortraitOfSanity

Yea, and with post-9/11 security in place it'll go something like this:

Border agent: Papers please.
Deadmanwalking: Go fuck yourself!
Border agent: *sticks muzzle of M4 in Deadmanwalking's face*
Border agent: Papers please.
Deadmanwalking: Oh I'm sorry, here they are, I just posted this on a forum to promote my toughguy, gun-nut image. I'll just be on my way then. *drives away, and takes beefcake porn out of "secret" dashboard stash*
Border agent: Fucking Americans.

And are you saying someone should be doing checks at state to state borders?

Because if you are you're worse off than I thought (Just go on and bend over so the G-Man can "Make sure" you're a good citizen)

Hello 1984!

[Godslayer Jillian]

You are both idiots.
Harlow, post 9-11 security tightening is not exclusive to America. And even disregarding that, one mistake in context marks him as idiotic? Believe that marks you as idiotic.
Deadman, PoS was saying that your macho attitude is bullshit and you'll be lucky to get away with it in a real scenario. That you read PoS's comment as a plea for higher security is pathetic.
Of course, it isn't as pathetic as your false bravado of bragging about how you would so kill a cop for looking at you weird.
You are exactly the type of person most people agree don't deserve guns.
A fucking pig without a cop's uniform.

[PortraitOfSanity]

Originally Posted by harlow

MY question is, if your talking about Security measures increased due to 9-11, then why in the fuck would the border agent say "Fucking Americans", the agent would obviously be American sense your talking about 9-11. Mexico and Canada haven't done much to boost security, why would they, their not the ones being attacked.

Seriously, explain your stupidity please.

Security on both borders is really tight on both sides. The Americans don't want "terrorists" getting in from Mexico/Canada, and the Mexicans and the Canadians don't want to give the American authorities the chance to say they're being lax on security.

Also, everything Jillian wrote.

Furthermore, you two are prime examples of illiteracy in America.

[harlow]

Seems odd, last month I went into Mexico for an afternoon and the Mexico side didn't give me any hassle or even ask me a thing. Only time I was even stopped was coming back and that was to show my passport and ID to show my citizenship.

Only thing that has changed for crossing the border down here is adding the requirement for a passport to get back into the states.

[Deadmanwalking_05]

And what you seemed to skip over is the fact that I'm against being stopped for the hell of it.

And if faced with a force on force situation (Remember the part where POS stated I would have the muzzle of an M-4 in my face) that I would take that as a personal threat and fire through the door,because I would see that as a life or death situation.

And would only be acting out self defense,from what grew out of my verbal answer to their verbal challenge.

Remember I said that I would only act if faced with an attack on my person,the Agent in question would've been the aggressor in that situation,by putting a loaded weapon in my face (I love the castle doctrine) after my verbal response of "Go Fuck Yourself",it isn't a threat,my answer would've only been seen as an insult at best in any fair trial,and it would not leave any cause for the Agent to point a loaded weapon at me,the Agent would be left with no recourse but to ask again,or leave me be,are you saying that anyone that gives an Officer lip should have a weapon drawn on them and forced to comply?

[Godslayer Jillian]

Originally Posted by Deadmanwalking_05

And what you seemed to skip over is the fact that I'm against being stopped for the hell of it.

So you kill whoever would do it.

And if faced with a force on force situation (Remember the part where POS stated I would have the muzzle of an M-4 in my face)

You dedicated your assailants pieces of "copper coated candies" [sic] way before POS told you anything.

Remember I said that I would only act if faced with an attack on my person,the Agent in question would've been the aggressor in that situation,by putting a loaded weapon in my face

Let me remind you what you actually said:

Originally Posted by Deadmanwalking_05

And when someone stops me and asks for papers my response will be "Go Fuck Yourself!"
If they try to pull me out of my car,or off my ATV they'll get a lovely parting gift of copper coated candies.

No loaded weapon in no face. Brutal behavior upped by even more brutal behavior. The exact same logic the cops themselves use to justify their brutality.
EXACTLY THE SAME

[harlow]

Not to mention the fact that, If you did shoot the agent after he put his gun in your face because you showed him aggression, the other agents within the vicinity would commence firing and putting you down like a shit bag.

Your aggression would inevitably leave your dead any have nothing to show for it because you would be painted in a fitting way.

[HumanePain]

Violence is the last refuge to be used only in the gravest extreme.

Being stopped and interrogated by law enforcement is not a grave extreme. I was pulled over twice in 2007 (for speeding) and once this year (for speeding).
There was never any tension during the whole process, and I got my ticket and we both drove away alive.

But even if there was no reason I would still cooperate. Only someone who has something to hide would resist, and the cops would treat that with suspicion.

Now if we are talking about civil insurrection where law enforcement and other social systems have broken down, then sure, there may be times when it is necessary to protect your home and family with firearms, because no one else would be able to help you. That is the contingency for which I own firearms and plenty of ammo (and medical supplies, food and water as well).

[Deadmanwalking_05]

Well trying to FORCE ME out of or off of my vehicle because of a verbal insult,to their question, that's pretty damn extreme in my opinion,especially when there is no verbal threat of "Let me go or I'll shoot" ,and as stated before if it were a traffic stop...there wouldn't be any problem,I wouldn't pull my weapon or fire it in that case.

But if faced with someone pulling me over without any cause (Let's say that I would be going the speed limit,not driving while drunk or high,and minding the stoplights and such) and then bringing the force multiplier in to shut me up,would only serve to start a firefight (I have no doubts that I would survive a situation like that, but I'm not going to let my rights as a free person be walked on,badge or not)

[Deadmanwalking_05]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrFRObbSDDo

GJ I guess you and a few others would see nothing wrong with this going on in Middle America.

[Godslayer Jillian]

Yeah, because that's how I roll: never question the government.

Don't fucking embarrass yourself.

The funniest thing is that the officer always kept his composure. So not only are you an idiot, but you're also an asshole within the limits of your stupidity.

[Deadmanwalking_05]

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