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06-21-2010, 12:23 AM
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Two ways to end the drug war -
1. Like China and Saudi Arabia impose death for simple possession of drugs. I'm betting less Americans will buy drugs if they are dead.
2. Like Portugal, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Germany, Belgium, and Denmark you can decriminalise drugs so they can be bought and sold in small quantities plus carried legally.
Continuing to do anything else, as America has for what? 50 years now? Is only madness since it obviously has not worked.
Check out the economy and crime rates in the above countries and compare them to America.
Then again, 1/3rd of the America economy today is centred around the drug war - either in policing, incarcerating, or administrative costs.
If the drug war did end tomorrow, many, many Americans would be out of work.
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06-21-2010, 01:51 AM
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Luxembourg has a fucked law. They decriminalized heroin and even built a fixer-lodge, but cannabis is still carries hefty fines for anything over 0.2g .
But you can pretty much smoke openly and no one calls the fuzz, except old and prudish people. You can smoke a spliff while you're tumbling around town, but if you go and hide in an alley to smoke you're probably gonna get pinched by the fuzz.
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06-21-2010, 08:22 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CptSternn
Two ways to end the drug war -
1. Like China and Saudi Arabia impose death for simple possession of drugs. I'm betting less Americans will buy drugs if they are dead.
2. Like Portugal, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Germany, Belgium, and Denmark you can decriminalise drugs so they can be bought and sold in small quantities plus carried legally.
Continuing to do anything else, as America has for what? 50 years now? Is only madness since it obviously has not worked.
Check out the economy and crime rates in the above countries and compare them to America.
Then again, 1/3rd of the America economy today is centred around the drug war - either in policing, incarcerating, or administrative costs.
If the drug war did end tomorrow, many, many Americans would be out of work.
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I'm in total agreement here. There is lots of truth there.
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06-21-2010, 11:53 PM
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#54
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Join Date: Oct 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Still Jack
Luxembourg has a fucked law. They decriminalized heroin and even built a fixer-lodge, but cannabis is still carries hefty fines for anything over 0.2g .
But you can pretty much smoke openly and no one calls the fuzz, except old and prudish people. You can smoke a spliff while you're tumbling around town, but if you go and hide in an alley to smoke you're probably gonna get pinched by the fuzz.
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That sounds similar to Irelands take on cannabis. Everyone smokes it in the streets and around town, but if you duck into an alley or look dodgy then yer going to get caught, but it usually is a small fine.
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06-22-2010, 06:49 AM
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Join Date: May 2007
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Originally Posted by CptSternn
Then again, 1/3rd of the America economy today is ... either in policing, incarcerating, or administrative costs.
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Where are you getting this? US spending on those is around 8%.
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06-22-2010, 09:35 AM
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Whoa! This is a little late in the game to be expecting Sternn to work with verifiable facts.
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06-22-2010, 11:34 AM
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Claiming a third of an economy goes toward police and incarceration etc is a bit extreme though.
There is a chance he meant 1/23rd, which is much more reasonable.
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06-22-2010, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Raptor
Claiming a third of an economy goes toward police and incarceration etc is a bit extreme though.
There is a chance he meant 1/23rd, which is much more reasonable.
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Dude it's Sternn; He and "reasonable" should never be uttered in the same sentence.
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06-22-2010, 05:43 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Charlotte NC
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supply and demand...
how to stop the drug cartels and the violence it brings with it??
Make a better and cheaper product and make it legal.
If you want to stop them, make the product here in the U.S.
as you all say BUY AMERICAN.
but thats not gonna happen because of all the Bureaucracy.
so stop bitching... OR go VOTE for the legalazation of marijuana AND cocaine.
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06-23-2010, 06:05 AM
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Join Date: May 2007
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Originally Posted by CptSternn
One in five Americans is in prison or will be in prison in their life.
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Which link is that from? All I see is one in one hundred is the prison population at any one time.
Also, what did you mean before: 1/3 or 1/23?
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06-23-2010, 10:41 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Re: the 1 in 5 Americans will spend time in prison "fact" ...
I REPEAT MYSELF!
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Originally Posted by Ben Lahnger
Whoa! This is a little late in the game to be expecting Sternn to work with verifiable facts.
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Oh yeah. And when he says these patently ridiculous things, why give him any credibility by asking him to explain them? Accept that he is an extreme fanatic who has no problem making things up out of whole cloth if he thinks it will advance his argument.
The only reason to continue discussing matters with such a person is because you enjoy the emotional frustration attached to debating the illogical.
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Lead me not into temptation ... follow me, I know a shortcut!
As the poets have mournfully sung,
death takes the innocent young,
the rolling in money,
the screamingly funny,
and those who are very well hung.
Your days are numbered - 26,280 per person on average - 2,000,000,000 heartbeats ... tick, tick, tick
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06-23-2010, 11:55 AM
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Join Date: May 2008
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Originally Posted by Ben Lahnger
Oh yeah. And when he says these patently ridiculous things, why give him any credibility by asking him to explain them? Accept that he is an extreme fanatic who has no problem making things up out of whole cloth if he thinks it will advance his argument.
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Hear Hear,
Remember guys, Sterrn once tried to turn a news story about "Gothic Kittens" into anti-American propaganda.
He's a complete nutcase.
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Originally Posted by Ben Lahnger
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06-23-2010, 12:22 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Smexyville, Colorado
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Stupid, new prohibition... we need to legalize drugs... especially Marijuana.. our economy needs a serious boost, and I think that plant could do the trick.
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06-23-2010, 02:36 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Or at least make a lot of people not care if they have a job!
Cheapest re-election campaign ever. Just stage town-hall pot bonfires and have everybody hover around and inhale.
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Lead me not into temptation ... follow me, I know a shortcut!
As the poets have mournfully sung,
death takes the innocent young,
the rolling in money,
the screamingly funny,
and those who are very well hung.
Your days are numbered - 26,280 per person on average - 2,000,000,000 heartbeats ... tick, tick, tick
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