Ghosts - Page 3

Raivyn · 01-11-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia

You're so backwards.

How so?
Just observing all angles.

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Originally Posted by KontanKarite

Perhaps my ass. Your moderate approach to this subject makes you look airheaded.

Should I stick to one side only? I'm open to all possibilities here.. I just want the truth.

KontanKarite · 01-11-2009, 04:12 PM

No, you're giving credence to bad ideas as if bad ideas deserve equal consideration.

Raivyn · 01-11-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KontanKarite

No, you're giving credence to bad ideas as if bad ideas deserve equal consideration.

Did I say there were any bad ideas here? Nope.

nis~sijai · 01-11-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Raivyn

Should I stick to one side only? I'm open to all possibilities here.. I just want the truth.

If the truth is ever discovered (which I doubt) it will most likely be discovered long after you and I are dead.

Raivyn · 01-11-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nis~sijai

If the truth is ever discovered (which I doubt) it will most likely be discovered long after you and I are dead.

That's cool. As long as I was open to it, whatever it may be. I'd like to know, but it won't break my heart if I never find out.

KontanKarite · 01-11-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Raivyn

That's cool. As long as I was open to it, whatever it may be. I'd like to know, but it won't break my heart if I never find out.

I heard from my cousin that if you drain 3 pints of blood from your head, that it will summon a benevolent demon to assist you in financial matters.

Being that you're searching for truth, you might want to get right on that.

Underwater Ophelia · 01-11-2009, 04:21 PM

This is fucking stupid.

KontanKarite · 01-11-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia

This is fucking stupid.

Of course it is. I was being a smartass.

Raivyn · 01-11-2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KontanKarite

I heard from my cousin that if you drain 3 pints of blood from your head, that it will summon a benevolent demon to assist you in financial matters.

Being that you're searching for truth, you might want to get right on that.

We're talking about a harmless topic here, not bloodshed. Geez.

Godslayer Jillian · 01-11-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Raivyn

Maybe you're right. But then again, there is no evidence proving this.

MOTHERFUCKING AGAIN???

Why do I even bother?

KontanKarite · 01-11-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Raivyn

We're talking about a harmless topic here, not bloodshed. Geez.

What I'm getting at is the burden of proof is on the believer. Ghosts are so rarely ever revealed that it's up to a believer to prove ghosts are real.

Since there is no supporting evidence that ghosts are real, we can logically deduce that they aren't.

There's no proof phlogiston is real and it's not.

To say the burden of proof is on a non-believer is stupid. But I'll entertain your logic. Behold, look to your left and right and behind you.... there are no ghosts.

Amazing, no?

Unimatrix 00 · 01-11-2009, 04:31 PM

I'm gonna be frank. Its just fucking pointless and illogical believing in ghosts. There's been hardly any evidence suggesting their existance and, with the knowledge we currently have, there's tons of evidence to suggest that they are just a fabrication.

KontanKarite · 01-11-2009, 04:32 PM

Shockingly enough, I have to agree with Unimatrix.

Raivyn · 01-11-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KontanKarite

What I'm getting at is the burden of proof is on the believer. Ghosts are so rarely ever revealed that it's up to a believer to prove ghosts are real.

Since there is no supporting evidence that ghosts aren't real, we can logically deduce that they aren't.

There's no proof phlogiston is real and it's not.

To say the burden of proof is on a non-believer is stupid. But I'll entertain your logic. Behold, look to your left and right and behind you.... there are no ghosts.

Amazing, no?

But what about those in limbo, that neither believe nor disbelieve? Wouldn't they be the logical choice to prove either side, or find another explanation?

Underwater Ophelia · 01-11-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KontanKarite

Of course it is. I was being a smartass.

No, not you.

tekajo · 01-11-2009, 04:34 PM

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Why do I even bother?

Dude...then just don't. It's not worth it. lol

KontanKarite · 01-11-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Raivyn

But what about those in limbo, that neither believe nor disbelieve? Wouldn't they be the logical choice to prove either side, or find another explanation?

Probably not. They're more likely to sit on their hands and say the same stuff you're saying.

What you're talking about are generally agnostics who either expect there's a supernatural place and those agnostics who expect the opposite.

In other words, you either believe they're real or you don't. To imply that you're undecided means that the subject matter is indeed NOT important or you're too lazy to make up your mind.

Raivyn · 01-11-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KontanKarite

Probably not. They're more likely to sit on their hands and say the same stuff you're saying.

What you're talking about are generally agnostics who either expect there's a supernatural place and those agnostics who expect the opposite.

In other words, you either believe they're real or you don't. To imply that you're undecided means that the subject matter is indeed NOT important or you're too lazy to make up your mind.

Or there's not enough fact to support all sides, to explain what hasn't been..?

nis~sijai · 01-11-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KontanKarite

To imply that you're undecided means that the subject matter is indeed NOT important or you're too lazy to make up your mind.

Or that she's trying to hard to please everyone else instead of respecting her own opinion.

Raivyn · 01-11-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by nis~sijai

Or that she's trying to hard to please everyone else instead of respecting her own opinion.

OR there just aren't enough facts out there to be SURE.
Why is everyone so quick to jump to conclusions?

KontanKarite · 01-11-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Raivyn

OR there just aren't enough facts out there to be SURE.
Why is everyone so quick to jump to conclusions?

So you can't use logical deduction I take it? Should I tell you now that ghosts aren't real or would you like for me to write it in a science book for you?

Raivyn · 01-11-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KontanKarite

So you can't use logical deduction I take it? Should I tell you now that ghosts aren't real or would you like for me to write it in a science book for you?

Again, conclusions based on experience alone. That's cool and I respect that. But is it always the smart choice? No, not always. There are still a lot of things that have yet to be explained. That's all I'm saying. How hard is that to understand?

Godslayer Jillian · 01-11-2009, 04:51 PM

How hard is it to understand that if you make a ridiculous claims, YOU should back it up!

Raivyn · 01-11-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

How hard is it to understand that if you make a ridiculous claims, YOU should back it up!

And how many times has it been said here that either side cannot be 'backed up' fully?

I'm done. This is ridiculous. No one is reading my words for what they are.

Godslayer Jillian · 01-11-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Raivyn

And how many times has it been said here that either side cannot be 'backed up' fully?

Which is WHY a point zero has to be the starting point!
That's how science fucking works.
Do you really believe that if I claim that scientifically, gravity is a sham and we're just pulled down by invisible angels, that you will swallow that shit because the existence of gravity can't be "backed up" fully?