Straight Edge - Page 2

HumanePain · 06-03-2008, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

Actually that was a directed message to HP too. I did not choose to attack you; I fucking had to attack the hypocrisy you just said.
But you want to know a difference between HP's post and yours? HP used the word 'straight edge' as an adjective; you used it as a fucking noun; a holy punk property of yours.
You want me to attack you directly? Here you go: you suck as a punk. You can't stop talking about HC, HC, fuck yeah I love Japanese Hardcore; Jello Biafra for president; hooray the Blah party.
Nothing but punk clichés. I remember you even spoke about Sid Vicious as someone to be admired.
But why do you not speak about the things hardcore speaks about? A new guy enters and you tell him "oh I know everything about hardcore, do you want some bands?". Why do you not come up saying "hey, so you're a nonconformist too, how about taking it a step forward? Full DIY life; check it out, some bands have done it if you're interested."
You never speak of substance; you just blabber on about style.
The most political things you have done is make a thread about Che, and tried to work on a 'zine.

So now you see how Jillian is when he really wants to attack! His earlier post was tolerant in comparison, yes?

Stormtrooper of Death · 06-03-2008, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

Actually that was a directed message to HP too. I did not choose to attack you; I fucking had to attack the hypocrisy you just said.
But you want to know a difference between HP's post and yours? HP used the word 'straight edge' as an adjective; you used it as a fucking noun; a holy punk property of yours.
You want me to attack you directly? Here you go: you suck as a punk. You can't stop talking about HC, HC, fuck yeah I love Japanese Hardcore; Jello Biafra for president; hooray the Blah party.
Nothing but punk clichés. I remember you even spoke about Sid Vicious as someone to be admired.
But why do you not speak about the things hardcore speaks about? A new guy enters and you tell him "oh I know everything about hardcore, do you want some bands?". Why do you not come up saying "hey, so you're a nonconformist too, how about taking it a step forward? Full DIY life; check it out, some bands have done it if you're interested."
You never speak of substance; you just blabber on about style.
The most political things you have done is make a thread about Che, and tried to work on a 'zine.

Fuck you. There are several things wrong with your whole attack. Firstly, I did finish that zine, I made 25 copies of it, and gave them to my friends, hell I even sent one into MRR, but they never reviewed it. I admit that perhaps I could reword the way I talk to new people yes, maybe I will. But you don't know me, you have never met me so don't you ever saying that I suck as beeing a punk, I am one, and I live the life, and now that Im 18 I can actually do what I want now. You know why I don't speak about stuff hc talks about, because frankly I don't think most people would care, I already annoy people as it is, so I'm not going to take it a step further. But don't you ever talk about me liek that again, you don't know me a bit. So fuck off.

HumanePain · 06-03-2008, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

Not all the time, as mentioned above.

Well, yeah, I'm a softie.

Stormtrooper of Death · 06-03-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gothicusmaximus

Well, let's not get carried away.

See? Who actually thinks I add something by being here? Lately, I don't see anyone.

Godslayer Jillian · 06-03-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormtrooper of Death

Fuck you. There are several things wrong with your whole attack. Firstly, I did finish that zine, I made 25 copies of it, and gave them to my friends, hell I even sent one into MRR, but they never reviewed it. I admit that perhaps I could reword the way I talk to new people yes, maybe I will. But you don't know me, you have never met me so don't you ever saying that I suck as beeing a punk, I am one, and I live the life, and now that Im 18 I can actually do what I want now. You know why I don't speak about stuff hc talks about, because frankly I don't think most people would care, I already annoy people as it is, so I'm not going to take it a step further. But don't you ever talk about me liek that again, you don't know me a bit. So fuck off.

Oh, I will talk to you again like that; you can count on that.
If you have just made 25 issues, then either you really lost your hopes, or you never intended this to be information for the curious, but rather nothing more than an inside joke - preaching to the choir at most.
If you don't think they will care about the sould of hardcore, why do you think they would care for its sound out of the blue?
These arguments are simply too pointless for me to even get mad at them.
If it's just a big fuck you then I'll just say this:
Fine, you're a punk, regardless of my opinion that you suck at it; but well, I've distributed anarchist literature at an Anti-Flag concert and to the Anti-Flag members themselves; have I out-punked you?

Extraordinary · 06-03-2008, 08:03 PM

yay! punk vs punk! ^__________^

Godslayer Jillian · 06-03-2008, 08:06 PM

Your casual use of anime smileys disturbs my guts in a manner I can't comprehend, for reasons beyond my understanding.

Stormtrooper of Death · 06-03-2008, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

Oh, I will talk to you again like that; you can count on that.
If you have just made 25 issues, then either you really lost your hopes, or you never intended this to be information for the curious, but rather nothing more than an inside joke - preaching to the choir at most.
If you don't think they will care about the sould of hardcore, why do you think they would care for its sound out of the blue?
These arguments are simply too pointless for me to even get mad at them.
If it's just a big fuck you then I'll just say this:
Fine, you're a punk, regardless of my opinion that you suck at it; but well, I've distributed anarchist literature at an Anti-Flag concert and to the Anti-Flag members themselves; have I out-punked you?

Two things. One: I only made 25 issues because, frankly, I don't have that much money, I couldn't afford much more at the time. Two: Woopie you distributed anarchist literature at an Anti-Flag concert and got to meet the members of a band who sold out in the mid 90's, that's great. Good for you, I'm just going to clap a whole bunch in honor of this occation. You want a war, you just got one boy.

Extraordinary · 06-03-2008, 08:11 PM

Uh oh! ......

Godslayer Jillian · 06-03-2008, 08:14 PM

The fact that you think I want a war tells me you're missing the whole point of this because you're too emotional.
And the fact that you think Anti-Flag sold out, making it pointless for me to talk to them about anarchism is laughable for other two reasons:
- First, it's another punk cliché.
- and second; you're again trying to fucking preach to the choir! Let's say they sold out; why the hell is it bad rather than awesome that I was telling them to go back to non-commercialism and empowering the underground?

Seriously, you're just building your grudge like a juggernaut; it's blinding your opinions.
Chill out, and realize that there's a reason I said all that I said. In three years (two?) being here; with so many times you've agreed with me, and so many people thinking of me as "intellectual", do you think I really had no point, all of this is inane, and I should seriously consider just to "shut the fuck up"?

Stormtrooper of Death · 06-03-2008, 08:27 PM

I'm emotional? Fucking right I am. And do you know why? Because I work my fucking ass off for the stuff I do, and do you know what happens? Do you? I tell you what happens, like the zine. I put a lot of work into that, do you know what I got? Laughs. Fucking laughs. That's what always happend when I do something like that, always. You just did it, so welcome to the "Let's make Fun of Kyle's hardwork" club, where you can meet people like my parents and family members, "friends" and school chums, it's always full of fun. How about that? Would that make you happy? Because you know what? It sure does make everybody else overfuckingjoyed.

Secondly "blinding your opinions." Well nobody seems to give a flying fuck about them anyways!

Barfing_Rat · 06-03-2008, 09:54 PM

Straight edge mean no sex ether? Eh count me out then lol.

Graveyard.Crow · 06-03-2008, 10:45 PM

I may have to go off all drugs very very soon. So I will be in a way what you call straight edge. Maybe?

honeythorn · 06-04-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Barfing_Rat

Straight edge mean no sex ether? Eh count me out then lol.

No it means no casual sex, no fucking people you aren't in a long term/serious relationship with.

Stormtrooper of Death · 06-04-2008, 11:28 AM

Exactly! Thank you Honeythorn!

Mir · 06-04-2008, 11:35 AM

Fuck straight edge and fuck moderation.

manequin · 06-04-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

Then it's not straight edge.
No drinking, No smoking, No fucking.
If you don't follow that, why call yourself straight edge rather than just sober?

That's not true. There is NO rule that says "If you have sex you'r not edge". Most edges will not have promiscuous sex. But you are aloud to have sex.

DepthsofSpace · 06-04-2008, 01:01 PM

I wouldn't even throw the term Straight Edge around concerning me, however I don't (and never have) done drugs of any kind and I don't drink to excess and until recently, I was a virgin.

I don't think it makes you a 'bad' person if you do, just there are the risk of bad things happening..

JCC · 06-04-2008, 01:28 PM

Straight edge is too fucking militant. Yeah, great, you don't have the maturity to enjoy alcohol properly or you don't have the confidence in your ability to enjoy alcohol properly, so you abstain from it. Fair.

Don't force your bullshit on me.

lostintranslation · 06-04-2008, 01:47 PM

SoD-I like you.

Vexik · 06-04-2008, 02:09 PM

Wow. I think there's some truth to the warm weather / hot tempers axiom. Summer's here and tempers flare across boards. I'm a n00b and this is the only forum I visit; maybe this is normal. I don't know.

I like you too, SoD. I also like most of the people on the board. The ones I don't like, I'm pretty ambivalent about. We're all gothy enough to be on the board, or at least have enough ties to common interests. We should build on the things on which we agree and consider the points on which we disagree, rather than blasting each other back and forth.

Um... I guess that's all I wanted to say.

Extraordinary · 06-04-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JCC

Straight edge is too fucking militant. Yeah, great, you don't have the maturity to enjoy alcohol properly or you don't have the confidence in your ability to enjoy alcohol properly, so you abstain from it.

lol? Am I falling for this or this clown serious?