Age of consent laws - Page 2

Dark Clarissa · 03-14-2008, 01:45 AM

Well the age of consent is 16 here in the UK. I'm the mother of an eight year old girl and a five year old boy. The way I see it - most teenagers under 16 and some over are not emotionally mature enough to have sex. Mechanically, lets face it - its not rocket science. There has to be some age at which we become legally able to give consent - and as this isn't an exact science - this will always be a debated subject.

However, for the adults that had sex with that 13 year old. I don't care if she WAS chasing them. As the adult - it was their responsibility to protect her as a child and say that word that people seem loathe to say these days - NO!

Catch · 03-14-2008, 12:26 PM

Actually a fully mature woman's vaginal cannal is only 10 - 12 inches in length. A teens is shorter and a young girl's even shorter.

There was a guy around where I live that was abducting young kids. I was only about 7 or 8 when he finally got caught. They found the dead body of one of his victims when we went to the library one day.

Just the act of having sex with a child so small killed them. Then he disposed of the body in a creek or whatever was near.

He didn't do it once either, he murdered several children. After finally getting caught, they tried him as a pediphile, because he killed them while wrapping them. He should have been tried for murder.

Graveyard.Crow · 03-15-2008, 11:43 AM

Damn right they should have. No that just makes me mad.

Pye · 03-16-2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Clarissa

Well the age of consent is 16 here in the UK. I'm the mother of an eight year old girl and a five year old boy. The way I see it - most teenagers under 16 and some over are not emotionally mature enough to have sex. Mechanically, lets face it - its not rocket science. There has to be some age at which we become legally able to give consent - and as this isn't an exact science - this will always be a debated subject.

However, for the adults that had sex with that 13 year old. I don't care if she WAS chasing them. As the adult - it was their responsibility to protect her as a child and say that word that people seem loathe to say these days - NO!

I totally agree that the adult has the responsibility. I've heard the talk about "she said she was 18" etc but with a lot of men I just don't buy it. If there was doubt enough in your mind to have to ask her age, stay well clear.

I knew a well developed 13/14 year old a while back who used to go out to all the clubs. She expressly told all and sundry her age (to provoke a reaction on account of her large breasts) and still men who bedded her claimed not to have known beforehand. I find it hard to believe this, it was common knowledge even I knew regardless of how much I tried to stay away from her and her friends. She attempted to blackmail said men, I believe for money and drugs. I'm not sure her family situation but I still feel the men should have and probably did know her age or at least have had an idea.

Graveyard.Crow · 03-27-2008, 04:34 PM

Well, lets face it, if she is hot and looks old enough, men don't care. Well, some do, but a lot don't.

Beneath the Shadows · 06-02-2008, 01:35 AM

Thread necro.

Take a look at this news article. This is exactly what I was talking about. 13-year-old goes out and fucks two guys, they go to prison, and what happens to her? Nothing. And no one can say that they manipulated her into it... she was masquerading as a divorced 19-year-old.

TopHaggardDoll · 06-02-2008, 07:32 AM

Yeah, it gets worse.

On myspace, there was a bulletin going round that there was a rapist on the site, so I decided to check it out and actually message the person in question to ask what REALLY happened.

Turns out, he was at a nightclub and a guy came up to him and started chatting him up. It was an over 21 bar...so he obviously assumed this guy was 21 or over plus the guy looked like he was around 21. They went back home had sex blah blah blah. Next day, police are knocking at his door, the guy he slept with turned out to be 17. So he went to jail for a couple of years for it.

Now, everyone sends him abusive messages everyday of his life, calling him a rapist, which I think is extremely unfair. The dude made one mistake and did his time....people make me sick sometimes.

TopHaggardDoll · 06-02-2008, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Catch

Actually a fully mature woman's vaginal cannal is only 10 - 12 inches in length. A teens is shorter and a young girl's even shorter.

cm...not inches.

lostintranslation · 06-02-2008, 09:55 AM

A fully developed vagina is only 4-6 inches in length, even if wikipedia says otherwise. Watch Talk Sex With Sue sometime.

As someone who has made some poor dating choice while under the age of consent, I do on the one hand appreciate this law. It's a good way to get out of tricky situations. On the other hand, this law has caused me problems as well. I'm not saying I am one of those gals who hits on people above the age of consent, has sex with them, and gets them put in jail. What I am saying is that I dated a guy over the age of consent while I was under the age of consent, and even when keeping everything legal, ran into some unnecessary problems. The age of consent is too complicated in the US. Each state has it's own laws and age. It should be standard. I also think age of consent has to do with personal maturity rather than age. I know 16 year olds who handle sex maturely, and I know 25 year olds who handle sex like the world perceives 16 year olds to. The age of consent is an attempt to keep children safe, but in my experience, it's more about helping parents control children and causing "children" to, at times, deal with problems that are really unneeded and unwanted.

Renatus · 06-02-2008, 10:53 AM

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I had a talk with a councellor about this once. Apparently, your parents can still say the older person ***** you even if you are over 14. I asked him what a way around that would be, and he said I could sign a sexual consent form.
That would be a bit of a mood breaker.

"you, in my bed, now....*after the transition to the bedroom* ok write your social security number in box 24a and staple the copy of your birthcertificate to the back... oh my god the way you stapled that form on is making me so... hot*que the cheap porno soundtrack*"

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It should be standard. I also think age of consent has to do with personal maturity rather than age. I know 16 year olds who handle sex maturely, and I know 25 year olds who handle sex like the world perceives 16 year olds to. The age of consent is an attempt to keep children safe, but in my experience, it's more about helping parents control children and causing "children" to, at times, deal with problems that are really unneeded and unwanted.

Unfortunately trying to get a law passed on the persons eligibility to have consentual sex based on maturity would be harder than trying to get a law to restrict people who drink irresponsibly from drinking, and even harder to enforce than drug laws. I can't imagine how you could possibly enforce it, and you couldn't simply make sure they used protection everytime because that would be part of the reason why they are inelligable in the first place.

Then there is the fact that those immature idiots make up a great deal of the American public, in part due to the fact that their irresponsible sexual decisions lead to children, who they raised irresponsibly, and those children grew into irresponsible adults. When will people learn majority rule doesn't work, if only people with some sort of intelligence were the only ones allowed to rule and vote, maybe then we wouldn't have problems like state budgets being weeks overdue...... and Bush. Better yet we could get rid of the whole damn two party system by adding more parties.

But yeah unfortunately for lostintranslation and myself we live in Wisconsin where as I've said before the age of consent laws are very strict..... not like it ever stopped anyone.

Underwater Ophelia · 06-02-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Beneath the Shadows

Thread necro.

Take a look at this news article. This is exactly what I was talking about. 13-year-old goes out and fucks two guys, they go to prison, and what happens to her? Nothing. And no one can say that they manipulated her into it... she was masquerading as a divorced 19-year-old.

Ugh, what a little bitch.

JCC · 06-02-2008, 01:02 PM

You're all mentioning guys who **** 8 year olds and 13 year olds who fuck guys and take their money.

What's changing the age of consent going to do about that?

badteccy · 06-02-2008, 01:47 PM

I dunno, I mean...yea, I guess if the youngins' are luring the older ones it would make sense.

However, unless the guy (or girl) doesn't know the age, they should still be charged. You have to remember that adolescents don't always make the brightest decisions. The adult should take responsibility. Once again, if they didn't know the age before it happened, that SHOULD be taken into account, but certainly not if they do know.

Yea, Ophie, that story is horrible. Her father didn't even seem to care that it happened the first time, let alone the second. I'm gonna assume that the girl is either an insatiable nympho, or maybe was sexually traumatized.
Also, her parents are shitty.

lostintranslation · 06-02-2008, 01:55 PM

Renatus-I'm not saying age of consent should be changed to maturity of consent, but I am saying that the states should have a standard age and law, instead of each state having seperate laws and ages. I actually only found out two weeks ago that in good old WI the age of consent is 16. I had been under then impression it was 18. I was happy to be wrong. haha.

badteccy · 06-02-2008, 01:59 PM

I think the age of consent nationwide should be 18. It makes the most sense, to me.

lostintranslation · 06-02-2008, 02:04 PM

I say 16. While a lot of teens aren't mature enough for sex, they're going to do it anyways, and I'd rather not have to end up paying for the jail time of tons of people who got busted on age of consent.

AngelikDemonik · 06-02-2008, 02:26 PM

While I think that the age of consent should be at 18, a law won't stop them from screwing around. Schools need to teach kids how to avoid creeps and use proper protection (parents might not).

JCC · 06-02-2008, 02:35 PM

Making the age of consent 18 is bullshit. I fully intend on having sex before my 15th birthday, and I don't like the idea of some bigwig in the capital city deciding that he knows me and my mental capabilities better than I know myself. Though, that said, the age of consent is still 16 here, and as with many other laws regarding recreation I've no qualms about breaking it.

BLEED REBELION!!! · 06-02-2008, 03:46 PM

In my state the age of consent is 16. So I know I can have sex with someone over 18 once I turn 16. But does being under 16 mean you are not alowed to have sex with anyone, even if they are the same age as you?

lostintranslation · 06-02-2008, 03:50 PM

No, I'm pretty sure if both participants are under 16, it's legal.

Renatus · 06-02-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by lostintranslation

I actually only found out two weeks ago that in good old WI the age of consent is 16. I had been under then impression it was 18. I was happy to be wrong. haha.

I just went to check was true or not, and while I haven't found the exact statute I'm looking for this one in particular looks discouraging, look up on google "wisconsin statute 948.09" first result. This info is straight from the Wisconsin legislative database. By the looks of it the only thing that changes at age 16 is the specific crime your partner can be charged with if caught.

Renatus · 06-02-2008, 04:23 PM

Yeah here is the full thing on it(note: problem leaves me unable to use bold):

948.07 Child enticement. Whoever, with intent to commit any of the following acts,causes or attempts to cause any child
who has not attained the age of 18 years to go into any vehicle,
building, room or secluded place is guilty of a Class D felony:
(1) Having sexual contact or sexual intercourse with the child
in violation of s. 948.02, 948.085, or 948.095.
(2) Causing the child to engage in prostitution.
(3) Exposing a sex organ to the child or causing the child to
expose a sex organ in violation of s. 948.10.
(4) Recording the child engaging in sexually explicit conduct.
(5) Causing bodily or mental harm to the child.
(6) Giving or selling to the child a controlled substance or controlled
substance analog in violation of ch. 961.

again straight off the Wisconsin Legislative database. Alas that means we still have to do such things in secret.

lostintranslation · 06-02-2008, 04:49 PM

Alright Renatus, spell this shit out for me. The minute my brain starts reading anything all full of law speak, I stop reading and back away. haha. Is the age of consent in WI 16 or 18?

badteccy · 06-02-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JCC

Making the age of consent 18 is bullshit. I fully intend on having sex before my 15th birthday, and I don't like the idea of some bigwig in the capital city deciding that he knows me and my mental capabilities better than I know myself. Though, that said, the age of consent is still 16 here, and as with many other laws regarding recreation I've no qualms about breaking it.

Listen...I'm not gonna preach about fucking before 15 (though...seriously?).
Sex is not something to be taken lightly (at least not the first time). Yes, their certainly are mature 16 year olds and younger, but for the sake of it let's assume that MOST teens are not ready for something like that whether is is mentally,physically, or both.
At 18 you are an adult, that's when you can do and enjoy adult things. Why not enjoy childhood and teen years without worrying about adult things.
Like I said, it shouldn't be taken lightly.

Renatus · 06-02-2008, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lostintranslation

Alright Renatus, spell this shit out for me. The minute my brain starts reading anything all full of law speak, I stop reading and back away. haha. Is the age of consent in WI 16 or 18?

Put plainly Wisconsin law says you have to be 18 to legaly have sex. Reading legal documents comes rather easily to me.