Speaking of Ayn Rand...

[Alan]

Originally Posted by Spookycreep

II Howard Roark and Dominque Francton from The Fountainhead but especially the former. He didn't hate the world, he never noticed it.

You mean the guy who blew up a building in anger and the woman who accepted her r.ape?

III Jesus was actually the first thing I tried when the shit hit the fan. Hung in there with him for a few years but in the end had to admit he wasn't working. Burned my bible, began calling myself an atheist. The Christian guy didn't work, so I don't get point 3.

Jesus fucking christ, even your reason for being an atheist is fucking stupid. And you have just proven that Ayn Rand didn't do shit for you; you'd be saying the same shit if you had read The Secret instead of The Fountainhead, which by the way, is now clear is the only work of Ayn Rand you have read.

[Spookycreep]

Originally Posted by Alan

You mean the guy who blew up a building in anger and the woman who accepted her r.ape?

Jesus fucking christ, even your reason for being an atheist is fucking stupid. And you have just proven that Ayn Rand didn't do shit for you; you'd be saying the same shit if you had read The Secret instead of The Fountainhead, which by the way, is now clear is the only work of Ayn Rand you have read.

You have a problem. Take it out on some one else.
Save your energy, I don't give a fuck what you think of me so lets just agree to be enemies and leave it at that.

[Alan]

You're not my enemy, you're too dumb to be adversarial.
I'm just trying to help you get the fuck away from shitty literature so when you grow up you can be a better person.

[Spookycreep]

You are a piece of work old boy, You don't know me. Your assumptions say way more about you than they do me. What I'm wondering is why the fuck do you even care? I am no one to you_ and quite content to remain so_ so why am I getting such heat?
Are you happy Alan? Do you like Alan? Maybe these are the questions you should be asking.

[Mr.Doobie]

Originally Posted by Spookycreep

You are a piece of work old boy, You don't know me. Your assumptions say way more about you than they do me. What I'm wondering is why the fuck do you even care? I am no one to you_ and quite content to remain so_ so why am I getting such heat?
Are you happy Alan? Do you like Alan? Maybe these are the questions you should be asking.

When one has run out of arguments, the next step is to claim that he is a no-life loser that hates himself and that's obviously the only reason why he would ever disagree with you ever.

[Despanan]

Originally Posted by Mr.Doobie

When one has run out of arguments, the next step is to claim that he is a no-life loser that hates himself and that's obviously the only reason why he would ever disagree with you ever.

Well to be fair it is ALAN he's talking to.

[Alan]

Originally Posted by Spookycreep

Are you happy Alan? Do you like Alan? Maybe these are the questions you should be asking.

I love myself. Do YOU love yourself? Your life?
Almost by definition, the fact that you like Ayn Rand tells me that you hate too much, and you hate especially yourself.

[Spookycreep]

Originally Posted by Alan

I love myself. Do YOU love yourself? Your life?
Almost by definition, the fact that you like Ayn Rand tells me that you hate too much, and you hate especially yourself.

Think what you want, I'm through with this.

[Alan]

See? Spoken like a true Ayn Rand fan.
You hate too much and you can't even hold yourself to your own standards. That's a shitty way to live your life.

[ape descendant]

I started to read Atlas Shrugged when we had it on loan from Grandma... I got one paragraph in and made the conscious decision to close the book and give it back instead of forcing myself to slog through it whilst constantly fighting the urge to gouge out my eyeballs to eat them.

[ssj_goku]

My brotehr told me about Ayn rand. he said his books were AWESUM but LONG.

Leik there's this one scene where Rand brings down a HURRICANE on a WHOLE ARMY of trollucks.

WOT FTW! Nobody better talk sh*t about Ayn Rand! He's teh DRAGON REOBRN@ he will straight F U UP!

[ssj_goku]

NVM: I was wrong. It was the SHEAN CHAN he used thew HURRICAIN agenst/ but he still WHOOPED THER A's HARD!

[CptSternn]

So has anyone seen the new film?

[Alan]

Fuck that, wait until it's uploaded to the internet, man!

[Despanan]

Originally Posted by Alan

Fuck that, wait until it's uploaded to the internet, man!

Apparently, it sucks.

[CptSternn]

Originally Posted by Despanan

Apparently, it sucks.

That seems to be the consensus.

It still amazes me in a time where we have companies pumping poison into drinking water, companies spewing oil into the seas, banks which caused a financial meltdown worldwide, companies that engage in practices that they know will kill people in efforts to make money that anyone would take her writings seriously.

Does anyone really think unregulated companies will be good for anyone, other than themselves? There is enough evidence over the past few months alone to prove this idea is feckin' stupid sure.

[terricaryan1]

Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia

I agree with this. It is the problem with objectivism and libertarianism that most people are lazy and weak.

I was gonna give you pretty much any link of Nathaniel Branden, but in the same breath you demanded me empirical evidence you also said that it won't matter anyway, so I'm the one attacking you here; you ain't gonna care about evidence anyway so let's attack your flawed reasoning.
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[Grausamkeit]

I know it was said months ago, but how the hell is it easy for people to cheat the system and get welfare they don't even need? I could never even get it when I did need it. When you have apartment managers that tell you that because your children are of two different sexes you have to rent a 3 bedroom by their rules....or you can live on the streets. That's anywhere from $750-900 even for shitty roach infested apartments. So you stretch the money as much as possible, but the managers at both you and your husband's jobs keep cutting your hours so that you can't even make rent. When you're 3 months late and still acquiring debt from rent and utilities you finally decide to look to the government for help. After jumping through all of their hoops, including anywhere from a few months to a years worth of check stubs(plus tax forms) they finally give you assistance! A whole $30 for food every month when you're almost 1k in debt to the apartment complex! Would be less insulting if they just laughed in your face and slapped you in the back of the head. Yeah, so easy to 'cheat' the system. Maybe in states other than Texas? I don't believe it's easy to do it.

That's our experience with attempting to get assistance when we needed it.

[CptSternn]

Originally Posted by Grausamkeit

I know it was said months ago, but how the hell is it easy for people to cheat the system and get welfare they don't even need? I could never even get it when I did need it....Maybe in states other than Texas? I don't believe it's easy to do it.

That's our experience with attempting to get assistance when we needed it.

+1

When I lived in the states, Virginia specifically, I found myself unemployed and in a bad financial situation, ironically because of the government, but thats a different story.

I was able to get food stamps at the time, but that still took four months and was only $150 a week that could only be spent in grocery stores. I did not qualify for any other assistance as in Virginia only single mothers who do not get child support can claim welfare. It bothers me when people talk about people on welfare because in most states the only people who can actually get it are single mothers. It's not like a man can quit his job and get a check from the government in America, or a single woman without any children. It is a very specific group and that group IMHO deserve the money as America does not offer a living wage like Europe does. Google the term 'living wage' if you like, but the short and skinny of that is if you make minimum wage in America you still can't pay for your basic necessities, your normal bills (rent, electricity, water, etc.) much less pay for a child minder every week.

[CptSternn]

Ayn Rand is to the literary world what Uwe Boll is to the film world.

[Grausamkeit]

Originally Posted by CptSternn

+1

When I lived in the states, Virginia specifically, I found myself unemployed and in a bad financial situation, ironically because of the government, but thats a different story.

I was able to get food stamps at the time, but that still took four months and was only $150 a week that could only be spent in grocery stores. I did not qualify for any other assistance as in Virginia only single mothers who do not get child support can claim welfare. It bothers me when people talk about people on welfare because in most states the only people who can actually get it are single mothers. It's not like a man can quit his job and get a check from the government in America, or a single woman without any children. It is a very specific group and that group IMHO deserve the money as America does not offer a living wage like Europe does. Google the term 'living wage' if you like, but the short and skinny of that is if you make minimum wage in America you still can't pay for your basic necessities, your normal bills (rent, electricity, water, etc.) much less pay for a child minder every week.

We've learned that the hard way, we've lived it. That's why I'm going to college to get a better job. Speaking of which, they really need to lower the age of dependency on that. I tried to go back to college in my 20s, but because the dependency age was up to 24 they still needed my parent's info. I didn't get the help I needed because of that. I haven't lived with my mother since I was 16 and I'll be 33 this summer. I knew a girl this spring semester that was having problems with financial aid for college because she didn't have parents, they died when she was very young.

I've known a couple of single dads that had a hell of a time trying to get any assistance from the government. All of this one-sided BS of focusing primarily on single mothers instead of single parents shows just how sexist our society still is.

As far as Ayn Rand...I don't know enough about her to form a real opinion. I do think that the idea of striving to be self-sufficient is noble, but we still need welfare/assistance programs for people who are only getting minimum wage, which as Sternn pointed out is not enough to make ends meet in most cases. Our system needs an overhaul.

[CptSternn]

Here is a taste of some rand...

"Socialism is the doctrine that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that his life and his work do not belong to him, but belong to society, that the only justification of his existence is his service to society, and that society may dispose of him in any way it pleases for the sake of whatever it deems to be its own tribal, collective good." Ayn Rand

The current leader of the rand institute which preaches this tripe is named Yayon Brook. He is on Glen Becks show almost weekly as beck is a hugh fan of rand. Just look at some of the speeches he gives based on 'objectivism' -

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServ...ents_other_arc

The Profit Motive: The Cure for Big Government and Business Guilt
A lunchtime talk by Yaron Brook

Capitalism is widely recognized as the system of "more": more wealth, more choice, more progress, more profits. But the pursuit of "more" is widely viewed as greedy, reckless, unsustainable, and immoral. Whenever problems arise, Americans have called on government to intervene and curtail the pursuit of "more." Businessmen often feel guilty for their success and fail to defend their right to pursue "more." As a result, the last century has seen unprecedented growth in the size and power of the state. The only way to reverse course and win the battle for less government, Yaron Brook will argue, is to defend intransigently the profit motive and the virtue of pursuing "more."

I mean, seriously, does anyone think big business today and the executives leading big business are holding back for the good of the people? They make it sound like big business is made up of hippies all holding hands and refusing to make a profit because they are so worried about people and the environment. Encouraging businesses to amass more material wealth and giving seminars on why they shouldn't feel guilty about doing whatever it takes to make a buck is nothing short of criminal.

Look at the banking crisis, there is a perfect example of people not giving a shite. Or any of the toxic dump sites in America that were supposed to be cleaned up by the superfund, which the republicans defunded. Examples of how big business itself doesn't care about anything but making money by any means necessary are everywhere already. Encouraging them to care even less to make even more is just pouring petrol on an already large flame.

They preach getting rid of welfare, arts funding, and even funding for public education, yet none said anything about the bank bailouts and they often speak highly of funding wars with publicly raised money. They are nothing more than a right-wing think tank that like to use her crackpot theories to make themselves look intelligent, when the reality is she was an idiot back when she was alive with bad ideas and today she still is. The right-wing nuts have gone out of their way to make her some goddess on a pedestal because they can take their class struggle against the poor and make it look like it fits into some philosophy class.

The only people who hold her in high regard and support her ideas are rich white people in America. Who else would take her seriously? She advocates letting poor people die in the streets if they can't afford to pay for basic needs, no matter what the circumstances are. A real Marie Antoinette type who has no clue about anyone from a working class background. Luckily, outside of the right-wing nuts and those who huff foxygen (the heady mix of partisan hackery, character assassination, and manufactured outrage - thanks Jon Stewart) no one else really takes her garbage seriously.

[Grausamkeit]

No wonder the tea-baggers hate the idea of socialism! The poor would actually matter then.

Hey Sternn, I'm surprised you haven't made a thread about the President being in Ireland. I think it's kind of cool that he's part Irish, but then so many in America are.

[PortraitOfSanity]

Why are we speaking of Ayn Rand?

It's not even fun arguing over her work. Debate with her fans is like shooting fish in a barrel, I can think of better things to do with my time and ammunition.

But the link was amusing.

[PortraitOfSanity]

Plus, the always popular us vs ____ sentiment.