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09-17-2006, 08:04 AM
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Your thoughts on hawthorne heights
I was just wandering what every one else thinks about the band hawthorne heights i really like there music especially there songs pens and needles and this is who we are. what are your veiws on them? http://www.purevolume.com/albums/haw...yyouwerelonely
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09-17-2006, 12:51 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: El Paso, Texas/ Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua
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They're awful. (Oh, and so ungoth)
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09-17-2006, 02:30 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Milton Keynes
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What music genre would you say they are? I got this band from a friend and thought they were really good.
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09-17-2006, 03:04 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: El Paso, Texas/ Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua
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They're pop punk and hardcore.
I don't like the latter and abhor the former of these styles.
Everyone has their own tastes, but I can't believe these guys can get around mainstream's ignorance and pass as "goth music".
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People who say they don’t care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don’t care what people think.
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09-17-2006, 03:09 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: U.K
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I thought they were emo...of so I've heard...eh whatever floats your boat. *wanders off*
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09-17-2006, 03:16 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: El Paso, Texas/ Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua
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Meh, hardcore is just a louder emo kind of music.
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Originally Posted by George Carlin
People who say they don’t care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don’t care what people think.
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09-19-2006, 05:28 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: United States.
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They are horrid. Besides the fact that the lyrics are horrible as it is but to hear them live is ghastly. Horrible, horrible, I hope they do "Slit their wrist and black their eyes."...*Shudder*
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09-22-2006, 12:35 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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My exact thoughts when I first heard them were, "If I wanted to listen to Thursday, I'd listen to Thursday." The fact that they sound similar isn't surprising considering that they were both on Victory records at one point (I believe HH still is) but Thursday's lyrics are actually good and they're a great live band. Hawthorne Heights is just whiny and irritating.
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09-22-2006, 05:11 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Oregon. I hate it.
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Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian
They're awful. (Oh, and so ungoth)
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Indeed. I hear them referred to as goth, and just shake my head.
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10-26-2007, 10:47 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: In the middle of Occupied Amerika.
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Huh?
I thought this was a goth forum? You know, wine, cloves, bad French poetry and all? Hawthorne Heights? Is my lip pierced on the correct side?
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10-27-2007, 09:44 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Blountsville, AL
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Originally Posted by Slap Your Love
They are horrid. Besides the fact that the lyrics are horrible as it is but to hear them live is ghastly. Horrible, horrible, I hope they do "Slit their wrist and black their eyes."...*Shudder*
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Dude, it's "CUT my wrist and black my eyes". <.< >.> But yeah, they're a pretty poppy, unoriginal band. Don't let that prevent you from liking them though. They're one of my guilty pleasures. Can't for the life of me tell you why I like them.
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10-27-2007, 01:18 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Fascination Street
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I had never heard these guys before, so I downloaded a few songs. This band actually now beats Korn in my Worst Band Ever Made list.
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10-27-2007, 01:36 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Harlem
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I can't be bothered to care...
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10-27-2007, 02:54 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: In the middle of Occupied Amerika.
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Originally Posted by Draconysius
Dude, it's "CUT my wrist and black my eyes". <.< >.> But yeah, they're a pretty poppy, unoriginal band. Don't let that prevent you from liking them though. They're one of my guilty pleasures. Can't for the life of me tell you why I like them.
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I have heard them. Prejudice doesn't apply here.
Cheers.
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10-28-2007, 09:04 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Minnesota, USA
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Ok now you've made me mad Godslayer Jillian. Hardcore is not emo. Hardcore is hardcore punk. Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Dead Kennedys, The Exploited, Minor Threat, Husker Du, The Germs, Middle Class, The Teen Idles. DO NOT CONFUSE SOME CRAPPY ASS EMO SHIT WITH PUNK!!!!!!! As for saying pop punk, yes they are and they bloody suck. I hate pop punk, punk shouldn't be after pop, anytime. Darby Crash is rolling in his grave.
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10-28-2007, 09:40 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Massachusetts
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I think he means 'real' emo. You know, like Rites of Spring.
Tell me that isn't hardcore.
And just for the record, there is a distinction between hardcore and hardcore punk.
Sick of It All and stuff like that, which is some guy yelling about politics over a guitar is different from stuff like the Dead Kennedys and the Circle Jerks which would be hardcore punk.
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10-28-2007, 11:10 AM
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Location: Minnesota, USA
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You aren't that informed are you maggot? The Dead Kennedys were one of the first California second wave hardcore punk bands to fuse punk with political lyrics. Sick of It All ARE a hardcore punk band that were seminal in the New York hardcore punk scene in the 80's. Don;t try to outsmart me when it comes to punk.
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10-28-2007, 12:29 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Fascination Street
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Uh, Stormtrooper, I'm not trying to be offensive, but why did you join a goth forum?
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10-28-2007, 03:02 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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Originally Posted by Stormtrooper of Death
Ok now you've made me mad Godslayer Jillian. Hardcore is not emo. Hardcore is hardcore punk. Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Dead Kennedys, The Exploited, Minor Threat, Husker Du, The Germs, Middle Class, The Teen Idles. DO NOT CONFUSE SOME CRAPPY ASS EMO SHIT WITH PUNK!!!!!!! As for saying pop punk, yes they are and they bloody suck. I hate pop punk, punk shouldn't be after pop, anytime. Darby Crash is rolling in his grave.
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Incidentally, Husker Du is oft cited to have had a seminal impact on the development of Emo as a genre.
Bear in mind, Pop Punk is not Emo. Emo is 'Emotive Hardcore'- that is to say, hardcore or post-hardcore featuring emotional lyrics.
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10-28-2007, 03:18 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2007
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Here are my thoughts on Hawthorne Heights:
"What the hell is that?"
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10-28-2007, 03:44 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Harlem
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*hits the dirt*
Somebody's talking some game against Maggot?
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10-28-2007, 04:39 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Fascination Street
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The real definition of pop-punk is punk with catchy melodies. Believe it or not, The Ramones, Bad Religion, The Buzzcocks, Screeching Weasel, The Descendents, etc. are all classified as pop-punk.
Nowadays, bands like Blink 182, Green Day, NOFX, Sum41, etc. are also classified as pop-punk, and this is no less correct than the Buzzcocks or Ramones being called pop-punk. The only difference is that these bands are shitty. There's shitty bands in every genre, and fantastic ones as well. Most kids today seem to think that pop-punk equals only stuff like Blink 182, but it's a genre that been around for decades and should be respected.
So, if you wanna insult some of the greatest punk bands ever made, say that all punk music with pop influences sucks.
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10-28-2007, 04:57 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: New England
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Originally Posted by Green.Lady
The real definition of pop-punk is punk with catchy melodies. Believe it or not, The Ramones, Bad Religion, The Buzzcocks, Screeching Weasel, The Descendents, etc. are all classified as pop-punk.
Nowadays, bands like Blink 182, Green Day, NOFX, Sum41, etc. are also classified as pop-punk, and this is no less correct than the Buzzcocks or Ramones being called pop-punk. The only difference is that these bands are shitty. There's shitty bands in every genre, and fantastic ones as well. Most kids today seem to think that pop-punk equals only stuff like Blink 182, but it's a genre that been around for decades and should be respected.
So, if you wanna insult some of the greatest punk bands ever made, say that all punk music with pop influences sucks.
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Pop refers to music that is popular, not music that is catchy or melodic. Pop is *usually* catchy and melodic,yes, but not always. The Ramones, Bad Religion, Buzzcocks, etc. were not popular for the majority of their careers. Ask a pop music aficionado about these bands, and if you are lucky they will name you one Ramones song. It is only in the past 5-10 years that these bands have been at all absorbed into pop culture. Perhaps that helped create a market for pop punk, because punk was old enough to be tame and marketable, but to call those bands themselves "pop" is not accurate.
I understand your argument - sure the Ramones were influenced by 50's rock and roll (i.e. pop), and bands like the Cramps were influenced by Elvis (as pop as it gets), but influences do not define a band, nor does melodic structure.
If you have any articles/interviews/books etc. that support your position I'd be interested in reading them, but if it's just a personal theory of yours then it goes against established music history.
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10-28-2007, 05:03 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Under your floorboards
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Originally Posted by Stormtrooper of Death
You aren't that informed are you maggot? The Dead Kennedys were one of the first California second wave hardcore punk bands to fuse punk with political lyrics. Sick of It All ARE a hardcore punk band that were seminal in the New York hardcore punk scene in the 80's. Don;t try to outsmart me when it comes to punk.
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Pfft. PerkyGoth, DO NOT try and argue with maggot about music. You can bet he knows 456789 times more than you and he'll just make a show of you.
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10-28-2007, 05:09 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Canada
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I say that Hawthorne Heights are EMO!!!!!
That is all. :P
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