This one actually IS for the Christians.

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Theological doctrines:

1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28
14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days
Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
sacrifices, and holy days.
Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
18. God accepts human sacrifices
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice
Deut 12:30,31
19. God tempts men
Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God tempts no man
James 1:13
20. God cannot lie
Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
Gen 8:21
22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered
Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
23. There is but one God
Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods
Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7

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Moral Precepts

24. Robbery commanded
Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
Robbery forbidden
Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15
25. Lying approved and sanctioned
Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22
Lying forbidden
Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8
26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned
2 Kings 14:7,3
Hatred to the Edomite forbidden
Deut 23:7
27. Killing commanded
Ex 32:27
Killing forbidden
Ex 20:13
28. The blood-shedder must die
Gen 9:5,6
The blood-shedder must not die
Gen 4:15
29. The making of images forbidden
Ex 20:4
The making of images commanded
Ex 25:18,20
30. Slavery and oppression ordained
Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
Slavery and oppression forbidden
Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10
31. Improvidence enjoyed
Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3
Improvidence condemned
1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22
32. Anger approved
Eph 4:26
Anger disapproved
Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20
33. Good works to be seen of men
Matt 5:16
Good works not to be seen of men
Matt 6:1
34. Judging of others forbidden
Matt 7:1,2
Judging of others approved
1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12
35. Christ taught non-resistance
Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
Christ taught and practiced physical resistance
Luke 22:36/ John 2:15
36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed
Luke 12:4
Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed
John 7:1
37. Public prayer sanctioned
1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
Public prayer disapproved
Matt 6:5,6
38. Importunity in prayer commended
Luke 18:5,7
Importunity in prayer condemned
Matt 6:7,8
39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned
Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
The wearing of long hair by men condemned
1 Cor 11:14
40. Circumcision instituted
Gen 17:10
Circumcision condemned
Gal 5:2
41. The Sabbath instituted
Ex 20:8
The Sabbath repudiated
Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16
42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day
Ex 20:11
The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites
out of Egypt
Deut 5:15
43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death
Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36
Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in
the same
John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5
44. Baptism commanded
Matt 28:19
Baptism not commanded
1 Cor 1:17,14
45. Every kind of animal allowed for food.
Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14
Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food.
Deut 14:7,8
46. Taking of oaths sanctioned
Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13
Taking of oaths forbidden
Matt 5:34
47. Marriage approved
Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4
Marriage disapproved
1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8
48. Freedom of divorce permitted
Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14
Divorce restricted
Matt 5:32
49. Adultery forbidden
Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4
Adultery allowed
Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3
50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced
Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17
Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union
Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16
51. A man may marry his brother's widow
Deut 25:5
A man may not marry his brother's widow
Lev 20:21
52. Hatred to kindred enjoined
Luke 14:26
Hatred to kindred condemned
Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29
53. Intoxicating beverages recommended
Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15
Intoxicating beverages discountenanced
Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32
54. It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers
and punish evil doers only
Rom 13:1-3,6
It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the
good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor
Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/
Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35
55. Women's rights denied
Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6
Women's rights affirmed
Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9
56. Obedience to masters enjoined
Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18
Obedience due to God only
Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10
57. There is an unpardonable sin
Mark 3:29
There is not unpardonable sin
Acts 13:39

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Historical Facts

58. Man was created after the other animals
Gen 1:25,26,27
Man was created before the other animals
Gen 2:18,19
59. Seed time and harvest were never to cease
Gen 8:22
Seed time and harvest did cease for seven years
Gen 41:54,56/ Gen 45:6
60. God hardened Pharaoh's heart
Ex 4:21/ Ed 9:12
Pharaoh hardened his own heart
Ex 8:15
61. All the cattle and horses in Egypt died
Ex 9:3,6/ 14:9
All the horses of Egypt did not die
Ex 14:9
62. Moses feared Pharaoh
Ex 2:14,15,23; 4:19
Moses did not fear Pharaoh
Heb 11:27
63. There died of the plague twenty-four thousand
Num 25:9
There died of the plague but twenty-three thousand
1 Cor 10:8
64. John the Baptist was Elias
Matt 11:14
John the Baptist was not Elias
John 1:21
65. The father of Joseph, Mary's husband was Jacob
Matt 1:16
The father of Mary's husband was Heli
Luke 3:23
66. The father of Salah was Arphaxad
Gen 11:12
The father of Salah was Cainan
Luke 3:35,36
67. There were fourteen generations from Abraham to David
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from Abraham to David
Matt 1:2-6
68. There were fourteen generations from the Babylonian captivity
to Christ.
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from the Babylonian
captivity to Christ
Matt 1:12-16
69. The infant Christ was taken into Egypt
Matt 2:14,15,19,21,23
The infant Christ was not taken into Egypt
Luke 2:22, 39
70. Christ was tempted in the wilderness
Mark 1:12,13
Christ was not tempted in the wilderness
John 2:1,2
71. Christ preached his first sermon on the mount
Matt 5:1,2
Christ preached his first sermon on the plain
Luke 6:17,20
72. John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
Mark 1:14
John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
John 1:43/ John 3:22-24
73. Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with a staff
and sandals
Mark 6:8,9
Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with neither
staffs nor sandals.
Matt 10:9,10
74. A woman of Canaan besought Jesus
Matt 15:22
It was a Greek woman who besought Him
Mark 7:26
75. Two blind men besought Jesus
Matt 20:30
Only one blind man besought Him
Luke 18:35,38
76. Christ was crucified at the third hour
Mark 15:25
Christ was not crucified until the sixth hour
John 19:14,15
77. The two thieves reviled Christ.
Matt 27:44/ Mark 15:32
Only one of the thieves reviled Christ
Luke 23:39,40
78. Satan entered into Judas while at supper
John 13:27
Satan entered into him before the supper
Luke 22:3,4,7
79. Judas committed suicide by hanging
Matt 27:5
Judas did not hang himself, but died another way
Acts 1:18
80. The potter's field was purchased by Judas
Acts 1:18
The potter's field was purchased by the Chief Priests
Matt 27:6,7
81. There was but one woman who came to the sepulchre
John 20:1
There were two women who came to the sepulchre
Matt 28:1
82. There were three women who came to the sepulchre
Mark 16:1
There were more than three women who came to the sepulchre
Luke 24:10
83. It was at sunrise when they came to the sepulchre
Mark 16:2
It was some time before sunrise when they came.
John 20:1
84. There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulchre, and
they were standing up.
Luke 24:4
There was but one angel seen, and he was sitting down.
Matt 28:2,5
85. There were two angels seen within the sepulchre.
John 20:11,12
There was but one angel seen within the sepulchre
Mark 16:5
86. Christ was to be three days and three nights in the grave
Matt 12:40
Christ was but two days and two nights in the grave
Mark 15:25,42,44,45,46; 16:9>
87. Holy ghost bestowed at pentecost
Acts 1:8,5
Holy ghost bestowed before pentecost
John 20:22
88. The disciples were commanded immediately after the
resurrection to go into Galilee
Matt 28:10
The disciples were commanded immediately after the
resurrection to go tarry at Jerusalem
Luke 24:49
89. Jesus first appeared to the eleven disciples in a room at
Jerusalem
Luke 24:33,36,37/ John 20:19
Jesus first appeared to the eleven on a mountain in Galilee
Matt 28:16,17
90. Christ ascended from Mount Olivet
Acts 1:9,12
Christ ascended from Bethany
Luke 24:50,51
91. Paul's attendants heard the miraculous voice, and stood
speechless
Acts 9:7
Paul's attendants heard not the voice and were prostrate
Acts 26:14
92. Abraham departed to go into Canaan
Gen 12:5
Abraham went not knowing where
Heb 11:8
93. Abraham had two sons
Gal 4:22
Abraham had but one son
Heb 11:17
94. Keturah was Abraham's wife
Gen 25:1
Keturah was Abraham's concubine
1 Chron 1:32
95. Abraham begat a son when he was a hundred years old, by the
interposition of Providence
Gen 21:2/ Rom 4:19/ Heb 11:12
Abraham begat six children more after he was a hundred years
old without any interposition of providence
Gen 25:1,2
96. Jacob bought a sepulchre from Hamor
Josh 24:32
Abraham bought it of Hamor
Acts 7:16
97. God promised the land of Canaan to Abraham and his seed
forever
Gen 13:14,15,17; 17:8
Abraham and his seed never received the promised land
Acts 7:5/ Heb 11:9,13
98. Goliath was slain by Elhanan
2 Sam 21:19 *note, was changed in translation to be
correct. Original manuscript was incorrect>
The brother of Goliath was slain by Elhanan
1 Chron 20:5
99. Ahaziah began to reign in the twelfth year of Joram
2 Kings 8:25
Ahaziah began to reign in the eleventh year of Joram
2 Kings 9:29
100. Michal had no child
2 Sam 6:23
Michal had five children
2 Sam 21:8
101. David was tempted by the Lord to number Israel
2 Sam 24:1
David was tempted by Satan to number the people
1 Chron 21:1
102. The number of fighting men of Israel was 800,000; and of
Judah 500,000
2 Sam 24:9
The number of fighting men of Israel was 1,100,000; and of
Judah 470,000
1 Chron 21:5
103. David sinned in numbering the people
2 Sam 24:10
David never sinned, except in the matter of Uriah
1 Kings 15:5
104. One of the penalties of David's sin was seven years of
famine.
2 Sam 24:13
It was not seven years, but three years of famine
1 Chron 21:11,12
105. David took seven hundred horsemen
2 Sam 8:4
David took seven thousand horsemen
1 Chron 18:4
106. David bought a threshing floor for fifty shekels of silver
2 Sam 24:24
David bought the threshing floor for six hundred shekels of
gold
1 Chron 21:25
107. David's throne was to endure forever.
Ps 89:35-37
David's throne was cast down
Ps 89:44

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Speculative Doctrines

108. Christ is equal with God
John 10:30/ Phil 2:5
Christ is not equal with God
John 14:28/ Matt 24:36
109. Jesus was all-powerful
Matt 28:18/ John 3:35
Jesus was not all-powerful
Mark 6:5
110. The law was superseded by the Christian dispensation
Luke 16:16/ Eph 2:15/ Rom 7:6
The law was not superseded by the Christian dispensation
Matt 5:17-19
111. Christ's mission was peace
Luke 2:13,14
Christ's mission was not peace
Matt 10:34
112. Christ received not testimony from man
John 5:33,34
Christ did receive testimony from man
John 15:27
113. Christ's witness of himself is true.
John 8:18,14
Christ's witness of himself is not true.
John 5:31
114. Christ laid down his life for his friends
John 15:13/ John 10:11
Christ laid down his life for his enemies
Rom 5:10
115. It was lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death
John 19:7
It was not lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death
John 18:31
116. Children are punished for the sins of the parents
Ex 20:5
Children are not punished for the sins of the parents
Ezek 18:20
117. Man is justified by faith alone
Rom 3:20/ Gal 2:16/ Gal 3:11,12/ Rom 4:2
Man is not justified by faith alone
James 2:21,24/ Rom 2:13
118. It is impossible to fall from grace
John 10:28/ Rom 8:38,39
It is possible to fall from grace
Ezek 18:24/ Heb 6:4-6, 2 Pet 2:20,21
119. No man is without sin
1 Kings 8:46/ Prov 20:9/ Eccl 7:20/ Rom 3:10
Christians are sinless
1 John 3: 9,6,8
120. There is to be a resurrection of the dead
1 Cor 15:52/ Rev 20:12,13/ Luke 20:37/ 1 Cor 15:16
There is to be no resurrection of the dead
Job 7:9/ Eccl 9:5/ Is 26:14
121. Reward and punishment to be bestowed in this world
Prov 11:31
Reward and punishment to be bestowed in the next world
Rev 20:12/ Matt 16:27/ 2 Cor 5:10
122. Annihilation the portion of all mankind
Job 3: 11,13-17,19-22/ Eccl 9:5,10/ Eccl 3:19,20
Endless misery the portion of all mankind
Matt 25:46/ Rev 20:10,15/ Rev 14:11/ Dan 12:2
123. The Earth is to be destroyed
2 Pet 3:10/ Heb 1:11/ Rev 20:11
The Earth is never to be destroyed
Ps 104:5/ Eccl 1:4
124. No evil shall happen to the godly
Prov 12:21/ 1 Pet 3:13
Evil does happen to the godly
Heb 12:6/ Job 2:3,7
125. Worldly good and prosperity are the lot of the godly
Prov 12:21/ Ps 37:28,32,33,37/ Ps 1:1,3/ Gen 39:2/
Job 42:12
Worldly misery and destitution the lot of the godly
Heb 11:37,38/ Rev 7:14/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Luke 21:17
126. Worldly prosperity a reward of righteousness and a blessing
Mark 10:29,30/ Ps 37:25/ Ps 112:1,3/ Job 22:23,24/
Prov 15:6
Worldly prosperity a curse and a bar to future reward
Luke 6:20,24/ Matt 6:19,21/ Luke 16:22/ Matt 19:24/
Luke 6:24
127. The Christian yoke is easy
Matt 11:28,29,30
The Christian yoke is not easy
John 16:33/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Heb 12:6,8
128. The fruit of God's spirit is love and gentleness
Gal 5:22
The fruit of God's spirit is vengeance and fury
Judg 15:14/ 1 Sam 18:10,11
129. Longevity enjoyed by the wicked
Job 21:7,8/ Ps 17:14/ Eccl 8:12/ Is 65:20
Longevity denied to the wicked
Eccl 8:13/ Ps 55:23/ Prov 10:27/ Job 36:14/ Eccl 7:17
130. Poverty a blessing
Luke 6:20,24/ Jams 2:5
Riches a blessing
Prov 10:15/ Job 22:23,24/ Job 42:12
Neither poverty nor riches a blessing
Prov 30:8,9
131. Wisdom a source of enjoyment
Prov 3:13,17
Wisdom a source of vexation, grief and sorrow
Eccl 1:17,18
132. A good name is a blessing
Eccl 7:1/ Prov 22:1
A good name is a curse
Luke 6:26
133. Laughter commended
Eccl 3:1,4/ Eccl 8:15
Laughter condemned
Luke 6:25/ Eccl 7:3,4
134. The rod of correction a remedy for foolishness
Prov 22:15
There is no remedy for foolishness
Prov 27:22
135. A fool should be answered according to his folly
Prov 26:5
A fool should not be answered according to his folly
Prov 26:4
136. Temptation to be desired
James 1:2
Temptation not to be desired
Matt 6:13
137. Prophecy is sure
2 Pet 1:19
Prophecy is not sure
Jer 18:7-10
138. Man's life was to be one hundred and twenty years
Gen 6:3/ Ps 90:10
Man's life is but seventy years
Ps 90:10
139. The fear of man was to be upon every beast
Gen 9:2
The fear of man is not upon the lion
Prov 30:30
140. Miracles a proof of divine mission
Matt 11:2-5/ John 3:2/ Ex 14:31
Miracles not a proof of divine mission
Ex 7:10-12/ Deut 13:1-3/ Luke 11:19
141. Moses was a very meek man
Num 12:3
Moses was a very cruel man
Num 31:15,17
142. Elijah went up to heaven
2 Kings 2:11
None but Christ ever ascended into heaven
John 3:13
143. All scripture is inspired
2 Tim 3:16
Some scripture is not inspired
1 Cor 7:6/ 1 Cor 7:12/ 2 Cor 11:17

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Think not that I come to send peace on earth: I came not to send
peace, but a sword.
- Matthew 10:34

... all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
- Matthew 26:52





For wrath killeth the foolish man...
- Job 5:2

... let not the sun go down on your wrath.
- Ephesians 4:26





And no man hath ascended up to heaven, even the Son of man which
is in heaven.
- John 3:13

... and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
- 2 Kings 2:11





If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
- John 5:31

I am one that bear witness of myself...
- John 8:18
[Jesus was the speaker in both of these quotes]





A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children...
- Proverbs 13:22

Sell that ye have and give alms...
- Luke 12:33





Blessed is the man that feareth the Lord... Wealth and riches
shall be in his house...
- Psalms 112:1-3

It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than
for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
- Matthew 19:24





I and my father are one.
- John 10:30

... I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
- John 14:28
[Jesus was the speaker in both of these quotes]






Thou shalt not kill
- Exodus 20:13

Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his
side... and slay every man his brother...
- Exodus 32:27






Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.
- Exodus 20:8

The new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot
away with: it is iniquity.
- Isaiah 3:22





Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness
of anything that is in heaven... earth... [or] water.
- Leviticus 26:11

And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt
thou make them.
- Exodus 25:18






For by grace are ye saved through faith... not of works.
- Ephesians 2:8-9

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by
faith only.
- James 2:24





God is not a man, that he should lie: neither the son of man,
that he should repent.
- Numbers 23:19

And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his
people.
- Exodus 32:14





... the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall
hear his voice, and come forth...
- John 5:28-29

As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth
down to the grave shall come up no more.
- Job 7:9






... thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth,
hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for
wound, stripe for stripe.
- Exodus 21:23-25

... resist not evil; but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right
cheek, turn to him the other also.
- Matthew 5:39





Honor thy father and mother.
- Exodus 20:12

If any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother, and
wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own
life also, he cannot be my disciple.
- Luke 14:26





Lay not up for yourself treasures upon the earth...
- Matthew 6:19

In the house of the righteous is much treasure...
- Proverbs 15:6





I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
- Genesis 32:30

No man hath seen God at any time.
- John 1:18





The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father.
- Ezekiel 18:20

... I the lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of
the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth
generation.
- Exodus 20:5





Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth
understanding.
- Proverbs 3:13

For in much wisdom is much grief; and he that increaseth
knowledge increaseth sorrow.
- Ecclesiastes 1:18





The Lord is good to all.
- Psalm 145:6

I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things.
- Isaiah 45:7






Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.
- Matthew 5:22

[Jesus said] Ye fools and blind.
- Matthew 23:17






For all have sinned.
- Romans 3:23

There was a man... whose name was Job; and that man was perfect
and upright.
- Job 1:1






Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign.
- 2 Kings 8:26

Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign.
- 2 Chronicles 22:2






If a man vow a vow unto the Lord or swear an oath... he shall do
according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.
- Numbers 30:2

But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven... nor by
earth.
- Matthew 5:34-35






... the earth abideth forever.
- Ecclesiastes 1:4

... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and
the works that are therein shall be burned up.
- 2 Peter 3:10






... for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger
forever.
- Jeremiah 3:12

Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever.
- Jeremiah 17:4





... God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.
- James 1:13

And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt
Abraham.
- Genesis 22:1





And God saw everything that he made, and behold it was very good.
- Genesis 1:31

And it repented the Lord that he had made man on earth, and it
grieved him at his heart
- Genesis 6:6






For now have I chosen and sanctified this house that my name be
there forever; and mine eyes and my heart shall be there
perpetually.
- II Chronicles 7:16

Howbeit the most high dwelleth not in temples made with hands.
- Acts 7:48





[God dwells] in the light which no man can approach unto.
- I Timothy 6:16

The Lord said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

- I Kings 8:12






And the Lord called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid.
- Genesis 3:9,10

Ye hath neither heard his voice, at any time, nor seen his shape.
- John 5:37






Then went up Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the
elders of Israel. And they saw the God of Israel... They saw
God, and did eat and drink.
- Exodus 24: 9-11

Whom no man hath seen nor can see.
- I Timothy 6:16





With God all things are possible.
- Matthew 29:26

And the Lord was with Judah, and he drove out the inhabitants of
the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the
valley, because they had chariots of iron.
- Judges 1:19






God is not the author of confusion.
- I Corinthians 24:33

Out of the mouth of the most high proceedeth not evil and good?
- Lamentations 3:38






Those that seek me early shall find me.
- Proverbs 8:17

Then shall they call upon me but I will not answer; they shall
seek me early, but shall not find me.
- Proverbs 1:28





On the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of
atonement; it shall be a holy convocation unto you; and ye shall
afflict your souls and offer an offering made by fire unto the
Lord.
- Leviticus 23:27

For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day
that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt
offering or sacrifices.
- Jeremiah 7:22






And the priest shall burn all on the altar to be a burnt
sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savor unto the
Lord.
- Leviticus 1:9

Your burnt offering are not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet
unto me.
- Jeremiah 7:20

[KontanKarite]

God is not a man, that he should lie
- Numbers 23:19

And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the
Lord have deceived that prophet.
- Ezekiel 24:9





There is none other God but one.
- I Corinthians 8:4

And God said, Let us make man in our image.
- Genesis 1:26






When ye go, ye shall not go empty; but every woman shall borrow
of her neighbor, and of her that sojourneth in her house, jewels
of silver and jewels of gold, and raiment; and ye shall put them
on your sons and upon your daughters; and ye shall spoil the
Egyptians.
- Exodus 3:21,22

Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor, nether rob him.
- Leviticus 19:13






At the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of
man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed.
- Genesis 4:5,6

And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should
kill him.
- Genesis 4:15





Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not,
neither do they spin... if God so clothe the grass of the
field... shall he not much more clothe you? Therefore, take no
thought, saying what shall we eat? or what shall we drink? or
wherewithal shall we be clothed?... Take, therefore, no thought
for the morrow.
- Matthew 6:28, 30-34

But if any provideth not for his own, especially for those of his
own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an
infidel.
- I Timothy 5:8






Be ye angry and sin not.
- Ephesians 4:26

Be not hasty in they spirit to be angry; for anger resideth in
the bosom of fools.
- Ecclesiastes 7:9





Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good
works.
- Matthew 5:16

Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of
them.
- Matthew 6:1





And Solomon stood before the alter of the Lord, in the presence
of all the congregation of Israel, and spread forth his hands
toward heaven...
- I Kings 7:22

When thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are; for
they love to pray standing in the synagogues, and in the corners
of the streets, that they may be seen of men...
- Matthew 6:5





And no razor shall come on his head; for the child shall be a
Nazarite unto God from the womb.
- Judges 8:5

Doth not even nature itself teach you, that if a man hath long
hair, it is a shame unto him?
- I Corinthians 6:14






Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
- Exodus 20:8

One man esteemeth one day above another; another esteemeth every
day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
- Romans 14:5




For in the six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and
all that in them is, and rested the seventh day; wherefore the
Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
- Exodus 20:11

And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and
that the Lord thy God brought the out thence through a mighty
hand and by a stretched-out arm; therefore the Lord thy God
commanded the to keep the Sabbath day.
- Deuteronomy 5:15






There is nothing unclean of itself.
- Romans 14:14

Nevertheless, these shall ye not eat, of them that chew the cud or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel and the hare, and the coney; for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof, therefore they are unclean unto you. And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass.
- Deuteronomy 14:7,8





Cursed is he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother.
- Deuteronomy 27:22

And Abraham said... She is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
- Genesis 20:11,12






If brethren dwell together, and one of them die and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger; her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife.
- Deuteronomy 25:5

If a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing... they shall be childless.
- Leviticus 20:21




He that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness.
- Mark 3:29

And by him that believe are justified from all things.
- Acts 13:39




[John the Baptist] is Elias which was for to come.
- Matthew 11:14

And they asked him, what then? Art thou [John the Baptist] Elias? And he saith, I am not.
- John 1:21





Now, after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee,
preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God.
- Mark 1:14

After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judea... and John was also baptizing Enon... for John was not yet cast into prison.
- John 3:22-24






And it was in the third hour, and they crucified him.
- Mark 25:3-4

And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour; and he saith unto the Jews, behold your king... Shall I crucify your king?
- John 19:14-15





They gave him vinegar to drink, mingled with gall.
- Matthew 27:34

And they gave him to drink, wine mingled with myrrh.
- Mark 15:23
[Jesus was the thirsty chap in both verses.]




And the men which journeyed with [Paul] stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
- Acts 9:7

And they that were with me [Paul] saw indeed the light and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
- Acts 22:9



Abraham had two sons; one by a bonds-maid, the other by a free woman.
- Galatians 4:22

By faith, Abraham when he was tried offered up Isaac... his only begotten son.
- Hebrews 11:17





Therefore Michal, the daughter of Saul, had no child unto the day of her death.
- II Samuel 6:23

The five sons of Michal, the daughter of Saul.
- II Samuel 21:8





And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel.
- II Samuel 24:1

And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
- I Chronicles 21:1





All power is given unto [Jesus] in heaven and in earth.
- Matthew 28:18

And [Jesus] could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands on a few sick folk and healed them.
- Mark 6:5


There shall no evil happen to the just.
- Proverbs 12:21

Whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
- Hebrews 12:6

[KontanKarite]

As far as I know, this is a compendium of contradictions and other verses in the bible that condone bad behavior or what have you.

My question is: Based on this book, why is it relevant or even NON-dangerous to believe in this?

I wish I could find a compendium of even the Torah and Quo-ran, but what are ya gonna do?

[HumanePain]

Yup, too many cooks spoil the soup. That is why I just follow Jesus. I not only remove the old testament (the Jewish book), but even remove authors in the new testament like Paul who never met Jesus, and go off on a tangent from what Jesus spoke about. When you listen to one man, you (usually) get better consistency than trying to follow...how many authors combined wrote the bible? Forty something?

So yeah, distill it down to the man the new testament is mainly about, the man that overturned stoning and other non-loving "laws" and preached love, and you get a less contradictory guide to follow.

[KontanKarite]

Originally Posted by HumanePain

Yup, too many cooks spoil the soup. That is why I just follow Jesus. I not only remove the old testament (the Jewish book), but even remove authors in the new testament like Paul who never met Jesus, and go off on a tangent from what Jesus spoke about. When you listen to one man, you (usually) get better consistency than trying to follow...how many authors combined wrote the bible? Forty something?

So yeah, distill it down to the man the new testament is mainly about, the man that overturned stoning and other non-loving "laws" and preached love, and you get a less contradictory guide to follow.

But you see? You've distilled the word in order to reconcile your discomfort with your faith. You've basically taken your own spin on things, picked and chosen what best seems to fit with what is comforting. Though you tried to pick wisely, you DO choose to ignore the old testament which does not excuse Yewey for his behavior in the past. You decide that Jesus is the only thing worth holding on to, but you're willing to ignore the actions of Yewey.

Not only that, there are SEVERAL quotes of what Jesus himself had said in that list that is also contradictory. What answers do you have for that?

[Saya]

Technically the Old Testament doesn't really matter that much to Christianity anyway, Jesus was quite the rebel in his day and I dunno if you know this, he kinda pissed off Jewish leaders at the time by basically saying its okay to break religious law, literalism doesn't matter so much, all that matters is being a good person. I hear he got in some pretty hot water as a result.

There's a lot of interpretations with the Bible and a shit ton of contradictions, indeed, but if no one nit picked there wouldn't be so many denominations and there would be such thing as Christian theology. Religion evolves, as you can see in the Old Testament, such as changing their minds about the nature of God, and from the Old to New Testament there's a huge shift in thinking about the nature of Satan. He's not that bad of a guy in the Old Testament. What was happening was the author's idea of God and religion were changing over time, it wasn't written overnight by one guy, its a collaboration of different people's views on the divine over a very long period of time. If you let religion act fluidly, its people are much easier to get along with and they are far more open minded. Its when literalism and fanaticism come into play, when we say things must not change, thats when we have a problem.

And Jesus was a pretty mellow, pacifist guy, there's inconsistencies between the gospels because they were again, by different authors remembering the stories differently. What we can glean though was that he was very different from other messiahs (there were many throughout the ages) because he practice nonviolence, spoke out against religious hypocrisy and was kind and loving to those who the temple would shun, like lepers and prostitutes and gentiles. A Gandhi type character before his time. Christianity from the start rejected a lot of the Old Testament, the basis was that it wasn't the best way anymore, there's a better way. The Christianity Jesus probably had in mind was a pretty peaceful religion, and then Christians like Paul fucked it all up again and turned it into something worse than what he was protesting. The further back you go and look at different historical accounts there's going to be more and more arguments over what really happened, and this is what scholars, historians and theologists, do, they try to figure out the fact from the commentary of the writers.

And I'm not arguing there's not a shit ton of inconsistencies, but some of those need to be read in context, such as:

Abraham had two sons; one by a bonds-maid, the other by a free woman.
- Galatians 4:22

By faith, Abraham when he was tried offered up Isaac... his only begotten son.
- Hebrews 11:17

Since Ishmael was born of Sarah's handmaid, not Sarah, when Isaac was born he wasn't considered important anymore, even though he was born first, so yeah Isaac would be his only official son. Poor Ishmael didn't count anymore.

[Fruitbat]

Just goes to show God was a woman - couldn't make up her mind.

[KontanKarite]

Originally Posted by Saya

Technically the Old Testament doesn't really matter that much to Christianity anyway, Jesus was quite the rebel in his day and I dunno if you know this, he kinda pissed off Jewish leaders at the time by basically saying its okay to break religious law, literalism doesn't matter so much, all that matters is being a good person. I hear he got in some pretty hot water as a result.

There's a lot of interpretations with the Bible and a shit ton of contradictions, indeed, but if no one nit picked there wouldn't be so many denominations and there would be such thing as Christian theology. Religion evolves, as you can see in the Old Testament, such as changing their minds about the nature of God, and from the Old to New Testament there's a huge shift in thinking about the nature of Satan. He's not that bad of a guy in the Old Testament. What was happening was the author's idea of God and religion were changing over time, it wasn't written overnight by one guy, its a collaboration of different people's views on the divine over a very long period of time. If you let religion act fluidly, its people are much easier to get along with and they are far more open minded. Its when literalism and fanaticism come into play, when we say things must not change, thats when we have a problem.

And Jesus was a pretty mellow, pacifist guy, there's inconsistencies between the gospels because they were again, by different authors remembering the stories differently. What we can glean though was that he was very different from other messiahs (there were many throughout the ages) because he practice nonviolence, spoke out against religious hypocrisy and was kind and loving to those who the temple would shun, like lepers and prostitutes and gentiles. A Gandhi type character before his time. Christianity from the start rejected a lot of the Old Testament, the basis was that it wasn't the best way anymore, there's a better way. The Christianity Jesus probably had in mind was a pretty peaceful religion, and then Christians like Paul fucked it all up again and turned it into something worse than what he was protesting. The further back you go and look at different historical accounts there's going to be more and more arguments over what really happened, and this is what scholars, historians and theologists, do, they try to figure out the fact from the commentary of the writers.

And I'm not arguing there's not a shit ton of inconsistencies, but some of those need to be read in context, such as:

Abraham had two sons; one by a bonds-maid, the other by a free woman.
- Galatians 4:22

By faith, Abraham when he was tried offered up Isaac... his only begotten son.
- Hebrews 11:17

Since Ishmael was born of Sarah's handmaid, not Sarah, when Isaac was born he wasn't considered important anymore, even though he was born first, so yeah Isaac would be his only official son. Poor Ishmael didn't count anymore.

Actually, I wasn't referring to Jesus' character. However, I will say that I don't think he was divine. Also, I don't think it's an entirely fair argument that was presented, but out of that list, I'm sure there is some VERY concrete contradictions that at least leaves many with egg on their face.

This is the word of God, Saya, as MOST Christians will put it. I didn't say that it was, but they did. The problem is, if God is the parameters of perfection, then God shouldn't have to change his mind... ever. The idea of perfection is something that is inarguable, unchanging, and well... perfect.

Sure, we can say that Christianity can use whatever mental gymnastics they want to make sure their religion is relevant today, but to be so bold as to change the very word of your god pretty much makes you about as relevant as pagans. And if it isn't exactly the word of God, then what business do they have listening to a bunch of assholes like Paul?

[Corpsey]

Originally Posted by Saya

A Gandhi type character before his time. Christianity from the start rejected a lot of the Old Testament, the basis was that it wasn't the best way anymore, there's a better way.

If I remember correctly, Ghandi quoted Jesus's sermon on the mount and said the British at the time that if everyone followed the principles here then he would not only have solved the problems between his country and the British, but the whole world. He then duly noted that the Christians don't often practice what they preach.

Kotan, TOO LONG, DIDN'T READ.

I will try to do a bit of research on these when I have some spare time to negate said contradictions, but you've put up a damn huge amount of scriptures with the context taken out of the picture. Here's one example:

Originally Posted by Scripture

142. Elijah went up to heaven
2 Kings 2:11


None but Christ ever ascended into heaven
John 3:13

The scripture refers to the heaven's of which there are many. The words often mean things like "the sky" "outer space" and THEN the heaven in which God resides in. In this instance, it is the mid-heavens aka The Sky. Elijah was taken off in a chariot of fire into the mid-heavens are transported to another location. We can be sure of this because Elijah later wrote a letter to one of the kings of Israel AFTER this instance. He couldn't have written it from the Heaven where God resides, so he never ascended to said Heaven. Contradiction solved.

[vindicatedxjin]

I was just thinking about the bible this morning...and how sad I am that so many of my family members cling to it so dearly with they're lives. I remember a time when I thought it was God's word, but I also remember my moments of feeling so iffy...like how the fuck could that have possibly happened?

[Saya]

Originally Posted by KontanKarite

Actually, I wasn't referring to Jesus' character. However, I will say that I don't think he was divine. Also, I don't think it's an entirely fair argument that was presented, but out of that list, I'm sure there is some VERY concrete contradictions that at least leaves many with egg on their face.

This is the word of God, Saya, as MOST Christians will put it. I didn't say that it was, but they did. The problem is, if God is the parameters of perfection, then God shouldn't have to change his mind... ever. The idea of perfection is something that is inarguable, unchanging, and well... perfect.

Sure, we can say that Christianity can use whatever mental gymnastics they want to make sure their religion is relevant today, but to be so bold as to change the very word of your god pretty much makes you about as relevant as pagans. And if it isn't exactly the word of God, then what business do they have listening to a bunch of assholes like Paul?

I know you're in a place where Christians are more extreme than they are here, but Pentecosts aside MOST Christians I know do agree its not the word of God. A friend of mine is a United minister and she doesn't even think it was written by god. We can say its a fact it was written by people who wrote them long after the events they are recounting have happened. And thats why they don't particularly pay attention to Paul, he was an asshole who hijacked a lovely religion and sent it on its way back to being a religion of judgment and holier than thou attitudes. Then we got Constantine throwing out the good bits, and keeping what he did specifically so Christianity could become a state religion that the Roman Empire could use. Its gone through massive amounts of editing and a lot of Christians do know this, I'm taking a Christianity course now for shits and giggles and yeah, no one's got offended yet when the prof goes through St.Mark's gospel and explains the historical significance of it, where it might be wrong or later contradicted. I don't think anyone here could get through Theology or the Christian Religious Studies if they refused to question anything. The fact that people like Paul conveniently claimed that his words were the will of God doesn't amount to much if you recognize the man was a douchebag anyway.

And really, I only care as much as I do because I enjoy learning about other religions, mostly it only bothers me when someone uses their religion as a justification of bigotry, homophobia, sexism, or any way in which it can be used to hurt someone who is doing absolutely nothing wrong. Or when people believe it just for the sake of believing it with no critical thought. The people who do think critically and try to figure out what they think is true, conjecture or false are typically in my experience not the type to get into anyone's face about it. If someone just honestly only believes in the "turn the other cheek" stuff, I can't see how its dangerous at all.

I totally agree that people who do believe its the word of God reaaaally need to read the damn thing and realize there is no way it can be, but I don't see the point of getting huffy over HP recognizing it and simply believing in Jesus. If people know there are contradictions and still believe in some of it, what can you say to make them change their mind? Absolutely nothing, and they're typically not the type of people who's going to give you trouble anyway. And how many literalists do we have on gnet?

[HumanePain]

Sorry it took me a while to respond, been ultra busy at work.

Originally Posted by KontanKarite

But you see? You've distilled the word in order to reconcile your discomfort with your faith.

Whoa, now hold on, I don't have any discomfort in my faith. Actually I am very comfortable with it, so much so that I am confident in discussing it (as I have many times in the past).

I distill the bible not to reconcile it with my comfort level, I distill it because I have learned over time that some people make more sense than others, that some people are after power, some people are extreme, etc. etc. etc. and so just as I make judgments about people I meet in today's world when I listen to what they say, I do the same thing when I read what people say what they did back then. I throw out Scientology today as I throw out Paul ranting against gays back then. As Saya said, religions evolve, they are fluid because generations are fluid.

Philosophy is something of a science, it searches for truth, but not physical facts, but reasoning, and the search for philosophical truth means that as we find what works and what doesn't we change our theories, we put together new frameworks for behaving, as demonstrated by those in the bible that introduced new frameworks then.

Originally Posted by KontanKarite

You've basically taken your own spin on things, picked and chosen what best seems to fit with what is comforting. Though you tried to pick wisely, you DO choose to ignore the old testament which does not excuse Yewey for his behavior in the past. You decide that Jesus is the only thing worth holding on to, but you're willing to ignore the actions of Yewey.

Precisely. Or were you trying to make a point of "all or nothing" in standing by the bible? Sorry if I don't follow your line of thought. If it is the latter I disagree that I cannot be a follower of Jesus if I don't follow the WHOLE bible, in which case you are making the same point as Christian Fundamentalists.

Originally Posted by KontanKarite

Not only that, there are SEVERAL quotes of what Jesus himself had said in that list that is also contradictory. What answers do you have for that?

This a legitimate case for citing "context". Let's take one of the "contradictory examples:

Think not that I come to send peace on earth: I came not to send
peace, but a sword.
- Matthew 10:34

... all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
- Matthew 26:52

In the first quote, Jesus is not talking about a weapon, but that examining oneself with honesty and openness can cut one like a knife, it pierces through to our heart, stripping away self deceit and the sham we present to others and reveals our true (faulty) selves.

In the second quote however, He is talking about a real sword, a weapon.

So there really isn't a contradiction. Different "swords".

This is similar for the other "examples".
We would really have to triage them one case at a time.

[Despanan]

I'm honestly a little miffed about how you can claim to "follow only Jesus" when Jesus never wrote a gospel. I mean, if you're going to throw out Paul, then why not Matthew and Luke, etc.?

Aren't you just following an amalgamation of (at least 3) other guys views of Jesus? (and how does that square with your "too many cooks" adage)

I mean, all the gospels are anonymous. There's no evidence any of these people even met Jesus (which would explain why they keep contradicting each other about important things like the friggin' resurrection and the events leading up to it:

88. The disciples were commanded immediately after the
resurrection to go into Galilee
Matt 28:10
The disciples were commanded immediately after the
resurrection to go tarry at Jerusalem
Luke 24:49
89. Jesus first appeared to the eleven disciples in a room at
Jerusalem
Luke 24:33,36,37/ John 20:19
Jesus first appeared to the eleven on a mountain in Galilee
Matt 28:16,17
90. Christ ascended from Mount Olivet
Acts 1:9,12
Christ ascended from Bethany
Luke 24:50,51

It goes on from there. This isn't the other disciples not being square with Paul, this is (arguably) the "first hand" accounts of his death and resurrection, and it's all over the place and these are the people who knew him best.

What makes you think that simply rejecting Paul and the Old Testament is going to give you a pass?

[Solumina]

A lot of contradictions can also be explained away with translation problems. Even reading a copy of an ancient Bible written in Latin (which is itself a translation of a text which was most likely a translation of a text written generations after Christ died) produces a clearer picture. This isn't to say that there are no contradictions but that a massive amount is lost in translation, such as different words for different kinds of sons and different heavens, and every time it gets translated to a new language more gets muddled up.

Also when trying to find the central ideas or get the closest that you can to “the truth” you can look to find where accounts agree. Picking the one out that is different tells little, just that someone has a different story to tell, if all accounts are different then that shows something, if only one account is different then it is an outlier, just like in statistics. There are people who deny the Holocaust, that have been in books and on tv but that doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen or even that we can’t know for sure that it happened, I can only hope that in the future those few people aren’t enough to cast doubt in the minds of scholars as to whether or not it happened. This isn’t to say that the Bible is the truth, I myself am not a believer, just that you don't have as much of an argument as you seem to think.

[Despanan]

What argument do you think we're making?

[viscus]

AronRa said that if there were a supreme being that took up the task of writing a book for humans, it would be just one holy book across all cultures, and it would be clear and easy to understand. There would be no vagaries, no contradictions, no parts that you're supposed to dismiss as "outdated" or "figurative." It would just be one perfect book.

I am inclined to agree.

[Saya]

Originally Posted by viscus

AronRa said that if there were a supreme being that took up the task of writing a book for humans, it would be just one holy book across all cultures, and it would be clear and easy to understand. There would be no vagaries, no contradictions, no parts that you're supposed to dismiss as "outdated" or "figurative." It would just be one perfect book.

I am inclined to agree.

Alternative theory: God is a dickhead.

[vindicatedxjin]

Originally Posted by viscus

AronRa said that if there were a supreme being that took up the task of writing a book for humans, it would be just one holy book across all cultures, and it would be clear and easy to understand. There would be no vagaries, no contradictions, no parts that you're supposed to dismiss as "outdated" or "figurative." It would just be one perfect book.

I am inclined to agree.

Yah this makes sense.

[viscus]

Originally Posted by Saya

Alternative theory: God is a dickhead.

I was assuming all of the "omnies" were in place, but that works too.

[viscus]

This video In particular seems relevant.

[HumanePain]

Originally Posted by viscus

This video In particular seems relevant.

"Muslims killing everyone else" bwuhahaha!

Des: I am at work now but will post a reply later today.