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04-23-2009, 07:32 PM
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#651
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Join Date: Apr 2009
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No, I haven't.
"...takes all day," is an expression to put emphasis on the fact that, it will take me a weee bit longer to deal with then I'd want. Not literally all day. I wouldn't have the patience for that...yeesh.
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04-23-2009, 07:40 PM
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#652
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: El Paso, Texas/ Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua
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Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia
How is it in any way bad to be excited about reading?
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Thinking you're a fucking political genius for listening to Rush Limbaugh is stupid.
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04-23-2009, 08:22 PM
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#653
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Earth.
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Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian
Thinking you're a fucking political genius for listening to Rush Limbaugh is stupid.
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That's true.
It was never implied these girls think they're geniuses.
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07-22-2009, 07:21 PM
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#654
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: NYC Fo' shizzle mah nizzle
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Twilight shows us that American teenage girls have a horrible taste in Literature.
1. Characters weren't developed properly. Stephanie Meyer pretty much inserted herself as an enhanced version of the protagonist.
2. Storyline wasn't developed that well either. Romance is supposed to start slowly. The love interest quickly falls in love with the protagonist and proclaims that she is his true love while only knowing each other for a short time. Also, a lot of the time reading the book is spent on being described how attractive the love interest is.
3. Damn those Sparkly Vampires....
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08-11-2009, 07:40 AM
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#655
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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1. Characters weren't developed properly. Stephanie Meyer pretty much inserted herself as an enhanced version of the protagonist.
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And the teenagers insert themselves as the main characters, wishing their lives would change, wanting an escape. Teenage years are like that; usually people grow out of it.
In the end the twilight / anti-twilight debate will just carry on until something new comes out.
It's how humans work. If there's something to have an opinion on and to argue about, people will do so gladly.
Personally I don't think twilight is all that bad for me to dwell on it with intense hatred.
But then again, it's mainstream.
And how we love to hate mainstream.
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08-11-2009, 07:54 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: London
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Originally Posted by Faeir
But then again, it's mainstream.
And how we love to hate mainstream.
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Well, no.
It's not that. It's that people are picking up on this literary abortion and declaring it to be excellent, inspired, a work of incredible talent. It's dross. Repetitive dross with some really unhealthy and quite abusive emotional relationships portrayed as ideals to aspire to.
I don't care if it's mainstream. Shakespeare used to be Mainstream. Depeche Mode and the Cure are pop bands with genuine chart popularity. The mainstream fashion embraced tight black jeans and Victoriana- hell, I'm all for that, it means I can actually find tight black jeans in charity shops now instead of paying through the nose for them in Camden.
Mainstream doesn't matter. Portraying shit as gold is problematic, though. False advertising if nothing else.
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08-11-2009, 08:28 AM
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#657
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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Originally Posted by Delkaetre
I don't care if it's mainstream. Shakespeare used to be Mainstream. Depeche Mode and the Cure are pop bands with genuine chart popularity. The mainstream fashion embraced tight black jeans and Victoriana- hell, I'm all for that, it means I can actually find tight black jeans in charity shops now instead of paying through the nose for them in Camden.
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Personally, when I say mainstream, I compare twilight to Miley Cyrus and the like.
That's the sort of mainstream I'm referring to. The widely-accepted teenage mainstream in these recent years.
Sometimes I really do think that it's only because it's so popular that it has so many fans, thus much finer literature/music/whatever it is being argued about doesn't get much of a say.
twilight was never intended for people who enjoy maturer and more carefully-written novels.
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08-11-2009, 10:08 AM
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#658
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 9,548
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Originally Posted by Lord Whiskerton
Twilight shows us that American teenage girls have a horrible taste in Literature.
1. Characters weren't developed properly. Stephanie Meyer pretty much inserted herself as an enhanced version of the protagonist.
2. Storyline wasn't developed that well either. Romance is supposed to start slowly. The love interest quickly falls in love with the protagonist and proclaims that she is his true love while only knowing each other for a short time. Also, a lot of the time reading the book is spent on being described how attractive the love interest is.
3. Damn those Sparkly Vampires....
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I don't think that proves that teenage girls have horrible taste in literature. Now this is total anecdotal evidence, but before grade nine or so we read really shitty books in school that were supposed to appeal to us. We expect kids to like this shit because oooh can't you relate? We also seriously lowered the bar, for example The Hobbit, which is a children's novel, was for a time required reading in my graduating year. I read that when I was eight! We should've been doing The Fellowship Of The Ring or something a little more adult. We had Dracula in my graduating year too but the teacher thought it was too long and too hard so it was optional. That was a great year otherwise too because we had Huck Finn, Night, Macbeth and The Catcher In The Rye, which everyone loved, but too little too late I think. I get that some things like Shakespeare is a little hard for tweens but there's plenty of other choices apart from Paradise Cafe by Martha Brooks (its worse than Twilight, I swear, thankfully I don't think it got that popular) or Blood Red Ochre. By grade 10 the adult books just kinda got jumped on us and I don't think people who didn't read outside of school found that transition easy. I know this is getting ranty but other reasons are that young girls are expected to be boy crazy, parents loved Twilight since it was essentially abstinence porn (which makes me think Tam would really love it), its pretty much just prepping them for a life of shitty romance novels and soap operas, crap entertainment that is addicting but unfullfilling.
Its a problem with the romance genre in general too I think. Is there any romance novels that aren't stupid? Are there good books that would appeal to a fan of romance?
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08-11-2009, 10:21 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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Its a problem with the romance genre in general too I think. Is there any romance novels that aren't stupid? Are there good books that would appeal to a fan of romance?
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I'm sure there must be some. Hidden in the darkest corner of a storage room of the smallest bookshop in the country.
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08-11-2009, 10:30 AM
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#660
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Cali
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There are some, just not many
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08-11-2009, 11:00 AM
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#661
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 9,548
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Originally Posted by Solumina
There are some, just not many
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Any examples?
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08-11-2009, 11:10 AM
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#662
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 51
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I'm inclined to put Brokeback Mountain since it's a short story as well as a film, but since I've never read it (as much as I want to), I can't XD
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08-11-2009, 11:32 AM
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#663
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Zagreb, Croatia
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Where crappy music, books and films become the most popular, and the media is revolving around teens.
Welcome to the 21st century.
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08-11-2009, 01:38 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: On the fast road to Nowtown!
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Originally Posted by Saya
Parents loved Twilight since it was essentially abstinence porn (which makes me think Tam would really love it)
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I see what you did there and I love it.
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08-12-2009, 12:23 AM
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#665
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Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Raxacoricofallapatorius
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Originally Posted by Saya
Its a problem with the romance genre in general too I think. Is there any romance novels that aren't stupid? Are there good books that would appeal to a fan of romance?
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No, romance novels are written by and for bored, lonely, horny, and otherwise romantically unsatisfied house wives.
Romance isn't enough to fuel a story, it makes it all very empty
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08-12-2009, 01:09 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: somewhere, take a guess?
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Originally Posted by Joker_in_the_Pack
No, romance novels are written by and for bored, lonely, horny, and otherwise romantically unsatisfied house wives.
Romance isn't enough to fuel a story, it makes it all very empty
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I think it's mostly the lonely part.
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08-12-2009, 01:54 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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On the other hand, romance can make action novels that little bit more twisted, especially if emotions are used in an interesting way to develop the story, preferably in a dark way where it can be used as a weapon..*insert dark, dark thoughts here*...I'm not sure I can agree that twilight does that well if at all 
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08-12-2009, 03:58 AM
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#668
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Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Earth.
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Really, I'm just patiently waiting for this whole silly craze to blow over and these silly books to fall by the wayside.
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08-12-2009, 04:17 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 51
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No-one will remember it after 50 years.
Hell, no-one will remember it after 10 years or even 5 years.
Or when they stop making those movies of the books.
Whichever comes first.
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08-12-2009, 04:50 PM
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#670
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Earth.
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Originally Posted by Faeir
No-one will remember it after 50 years.
Hell, no-one will remember it after 10 years or even 5 years.
Or when they stop making those movies of the books.
Whichever comes first.
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I remember pokemon.
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08-12-2009, 05:43 PM
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#671
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Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Dirty South
Posts: 1,726
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You can't fuck the position of the sun in the sky.
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08-12-2009, 06:27 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: El Paso, Texas/ Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua
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To be honest, that wouldn't be seen as witty even if the thread didn't have Twilight capitalized.
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I cleave to no system. I am a true seeker."
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Originally Posted by George Carlin
People who say they don’t care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don’t care what people think.
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08-12-2009, 06:33 PM
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#673
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Back in Wisconsin(thinking about invading the south)
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Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia
I remember pokemon.
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Well to be fair Pokemon is still alive and kicking. Though I dont think pokemon will be forgotten. It's had too huge of an influence to be forgotten, on gaming, tv, movies, culture. Frankly personally I think it's bigger than hello kitty, because sure hello kitty is all over the place, but most people dont know what the hell it is about, whereas with pokemon most people know at least somthing about it.
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08-12-2009, 07:28 PM
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#674
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: victoria british columbia
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romance genre
I wonder if romeo and juliet was written by a bored lonely housewife...maybe de sade was also a female who was lonely...I am writting a romance novel about opium addicts in the mid 19th century who have menage a trois and illegal abortions...their is also foreshadowed murder oh my...I don't think it is the genre I think it is the lack of societies imagination and the inability of the internet generation to access good literature.
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08-12-2009, 08:18 PM
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#675
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: El Paso, Texas/ Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua
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Originally Posted by allyssa
I wonder if romeo and juliet was written by a bored lonely housewife
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Are you serious?
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I cleave to no system. I am a true seeker."
-Mikhail Bakunin
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Originally Posted by George Carlin
People who say they don’t care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don’t care what people think.
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