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Indivicualist Anarchism
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11-06-2009, 10:08 PM
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This thread is killing me. I can't beleive the level of self-imposed ignorance.
The combination of atrophied brains and enough neurological function to beleive things really loudly is exactly what the world needs more of.
How are you not ashamed of yourself for admiting that you refuse to look up the ideology you're so certain is shit?
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11-06-2009, 10:27 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Kalamazoo, Michigan
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Originally Posted by SweetJane
This thread is killing me. I can't beleive the level of self-imposed ignorance.
The combination of atrophied brains and enough neurological function to beleive things really loudly is exactly what the world needs more of.
How are you not ashamed of yourself for admiting that you refuse to look up the ideology you're so certain is shit?
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Cause I am the political science major none of you are.
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11-06-2009, 10:42 PM
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#153
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Chicago, Illinois
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Originally Posted by AshiesHubby
Cause I am the political science major none of you are.
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You're a political science major, and you don't know the ideology behind anarchy? You must have some worthless professors.
By the way, there's a few political science majors here, myself included.
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I don't hate you. Saying I hate you would be like saying I hate a dog with no legs trying to cross a busy freeway.
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11-06-2009, 10:58 PM
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#154
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Kalamazoo, Michigan
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Anarchy is not taught, you have to do it on your own time, American Government is my area of expertise.
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11-07-2009, 12:03 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Raxacoricofallapatorius
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Originally Posted by AshiesHubby
Cause I am the political science major none of you are.
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I'm a political science major, you presumptuous crotch louse.
Also, I find it shocking you think you know every single political science course offered in the thousands of colleges in the United States. People like Mikhail Bakunin and the other Anarchist thinkers were very important in political philosophy. Just because you can't get the concept of a free society of enlightened individuals comprised through voluntary association through your thick, patriotic skull, does not mean they are not of importance. Further more, I fail to see what capitalism has anything to do with punishing criminals. If anything, Totalitarian "socialists' like Stalin were far tougher on crime, though like the American Government he committed more crimes himself than he punished.
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Because before too long there'll be nothing left alive, not a creature on the land or sea, a bird in the sky. They'll be shot, harpooned, eaten, and hunted too much, vivisected by the clever men who prove that there's no such things as a fair world with live and let live. The Royal family go hunting, what an example to give to the people they lead and that don't include me, I've seen enough pain and torture of those who can't speak...
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11-07-2009, 12:25 AM
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#156
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Join Date: Nov 2009
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The American Government has committed almost no crimes, not like Stalin, we don't kill millions of our own people. Anarchy could not work because people are selfish and only care about themselves. As long as people exist, war will exist.
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11-07-2009, 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by AshiesHubby
The American Government has committed almost no crimes, not like Stalin, we don't kill millions of our own people. Anarchy could not work because people are selfish and only care about themselves. As long as people exist, war will exist.
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No, YOU only care about yourself. You can not with any logic look at the people of the Kalahari, whom spend DAYS without food hunting ONE giraffe just to take what they need and distribute it amongst all neighboring communities that people are intrinsically greedy. You are intrinsically greedy, not people.
Further more, Joseph Stalin's murder of the Ukrainian people and the Georgians is any less sever than the United States invading Grenada, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, or Vietnam?
You seem to have this view that the US government is infallible, let me inform you of one thing. Murder is still murder, regardless of what justification you try to put on it. Furthermore, how about the last 8 years? Those crimes committed against OUR OWN CONSTITUTION about things such as the suspension of Habius Corpus, Improper Search and Seizure, and countless other things in pursuit of "terrorists".
To say that this government has never committed a crime? That's not even a lie, that's just an absurdity.
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Because before too long there'll be nothing left alive, not a creature on the land or sea, a bird in the sky. They'll be shot, harpooned, eaten, and hunted too much, vivisected by the clever men who prove that there's no such things as a fair world with live and let live. The Royal family go hunting, what an example to give to the people they lead and that don't include me, I've seen enough pain and torture of those who can't speak...
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11-07-2009, 12:49 AM
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The thing is with SOME of those wars we were asked to go in. The UN supported us to go into Iraq, after about 2 months they backed off leaving us in the dust. Afghanistan, well Al Qiada was there and they attacked us. Other wars were dumb choices, (in my opinion Iraq was dumb 2) and people are selfish, not in 3rd world countries but in major countries like America, Japan, England and such, people care about their own well being. I personally put my sister and my girlfriend in front of me, I would die for them, no one else.
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11-07-2009, 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by AshiesHubby
The thing is with SOME of those wars we were asked to go in. The UN supported us to go into Iraq, after about 2 months they backed off leaving us in the dust. Afghanistan, well Al Qiada was there and they attacked us. Other wars were dumb choices, (in my opinion Iraq was dumb 2) and people are selfish, not in 3rd world countries but in major countries like America, Japan, England and such, people care about their own well being. I personally put my sister and my girlfriend in front of me, I would die for them, no one else.
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Let me give you a little history lesson. The United Nations isn't a barometer of moral right. Just because they say it's fine doesn't mean it's true. On to history. The United States was DIRECTLY responsible for putting both Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein into power, as well as funding him directly. Al Quida (sp) and the Taliban were supported by America, as well as funded and trained by us. It wasn't a war to save people, or a war of vengeance (which is about as morally justified as war ever is), it was cleaning up OUR MESS.
Really? Japan and England are selfish yeah? The countries that instituted nationalized health-care ages ago and puts up systems to at least make sure their citizens don't die entirely. I'm not saying either are the best, but for crying out loud, they're better than this. Furthermore, if "undeveloped people" in "third world" countries are not greedy, and more virtuous, then wouldn't it be logical to find the common factors of the "greedy" people (such as, gee, GOVERNMENT, CAPITALISM, things like that)
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Because before too long there'll be nothing left alive, not a creature on the land or sea, a bird in the sky. They'll be shot, harpooned, eaten, and hunted too much, vivisected by the clever men who prove that there's no such things as a fair world with live and let live. The Royal family go hunting, what an example to give to the people they lead and that don't include me, I've seen enough pain and torture of those who can't speak...
- Tough Shit, Mickey by Conflict
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11-07-2009, 12:58 AM
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Government is the price we pay for safety. Read up on Thomas Hobbes and John Locke.
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11-07-2009, 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by AshiesHubby
The UN supported us to go into Iraq, after about 2 months they backed off leaving us in the dust.
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Actually, that isn't true.
The UNMOVIC Task Force stated that for the most part, they could not test whether Iraq was in compliance with UNSC Resolution 1441 for several months. This lead Canada, Germany, and France to reject supporting a UN resolution to invade Iraq, so the United States, United Kingdom, and others invaded without UN support.
In fact, Special Operations teams were inside of Iraq a full month before Saddam Hussein was asked to step down. So even if the UN had supported it, the United States was already committed to an invasion.
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11-07-2009, 12:59 AM
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We didn't train Al Quida fyi, we gave money to Afghanistan and THEY trained them. We didn't know they were supporting terrorists. Yes we did put Saddam in power though very true.
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11-07-2009, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by AshiesHubby
Government is the price we pay for safety. Read up on Thomas Hobbes and John Locke.
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HA. I know Hobbes and Locke, they're total pricks. Read up on Godwin, Proudhon, Kropotkin, Bakunin, Landauer, and even Thoreau.
The government is a nanny, a parent. The only reason it still exists is because people (like you) will not grow up.
Government is the means to control large groups of people. Furthermore, I think a bunch of over paid bribed politicians taking "donations" before deciding on my health care and invading countries left and right are HINDERING my safety, not helping matters.
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Because before too long there'll be nothing left alive, not a creature on the land or sea, a bird in the sky. They'll be shot, harpooned, eaten, and hunted too much, vivisected by the clever men who prove that there's no such things as a fair world with live and let live. The Royal family go hunting, what an example to give to the people they lead and that don't include me, I've seen enough pain and torture of those who can't speak...
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11-07-2009, 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by AshiesHubby
We didn't train Al Quida fyi, we gave money to Afghanistan and THEY trained them. We didn't know they were supporting terrorists. Yes we did put Saddam in power though very true.
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Are you nuts? We have video of American reporters talking to Bin Laden. We knew damn fucking well who we were sponsoring. The Resistance Fighters in Afghanistan WERE Al Quida and the Taliban forces. We supported them and would have supported ANYONE so long as it stopped the Soviet Army.
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Because before too long there'll be nothing left alive, not a creature on the land or sea, a bird in the sky. They'll be shot, harpooned, eaten, and hunted too much, vivisected by the clever men who prove that there's no such things as a fair world with live and let live. The Royal family go hunting, what an example to give to the people they lead and that don't include me, I've seen enough pain and torture of those who can't speak...
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11-07-2009, 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by AshiesHubby
We didn't train Al Quida fyi, we gave money to Afghanistan and THEY trained them. We didn't know they were supporting terrorists. Yes we did put Saddam in power though very true.
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Again, this isn't true.
The same forces that were in Iraq a full month before the 2003 invasion were also in Afghanistan providing training, arms, and equipment directly to the Mujahideen. It's known as the CIA's Special Activities Division, and they've had a very public history, being involved in Cuba, Somalia, Afghanistan, etc.
If you ever get the chance, read a book called "Charlie Wilson's War". The movie adaptation would also greatly help your understanding, but the book stays closer to what actually happened.
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11-07-2009, 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Equivalence
Again, this isn't true.
The same forces that were in Iraq a full month before the 2003 invasion were also in Afghanistan providing training, arms, and equipment directly to the Mujahideen. It's known as the CIA's Special Activities Division, and they've had a very public history, being involved in Cuba, Somalia, Afghanistan, etc.
If you ever get the chance, read a book called "Charlie Wilson's War". The movie adaptation would also greatly help your understanding, but the book stays closer to what actually happened.
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You come into these boards with no formal introduction I'm aware of, pick someone's comment, factually and peacefully correct them, and yet add no slant to the information.
I respect that.
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Because before too long there'll be nothing left alive, not a creature on the land or sea, a bird in the sky. They'll be shot, harpooned, eaten, and hunted too much, vivisected by the clever men who prove that there's no such things as a fair world with live and let live. The Royal family go hunting, what an example to give to the people they lead and that don't include me, I've seen enough pain and torture of those who can't speak...
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11-07-2009, 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Joker_in_the_Pack
You come into these boards with no formal introduction I'm aware of, pick someone's comment, factually and peacefully correct them, and yet add no slant to the information.
I respect that.
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Alas, I am not that respectable.
The formal introduction is here: https://www.gothic.net/boards/showthread.php?t=16929
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11-07-2009, 01:08 AM
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There are sides to both stories, neither can be proven right, that is my last comment in this thread. I agree to disagree.
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11-07-2009, 01:11 AM
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There are sides to both stories, neither can be proven right, that is my last comment in this thread. I agree to disagree.
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No, actually, it can be proven.
How? Both Al-Qaeda and the CIA agree on what happened. The CIA fully admits they operated in Afghanistan and gave weapons to the Mujahideen: they have no reason to cover it up. The move was made to confront what they interpreted as the spread of communism, which would have been supported by the majority of the American public at the time.
The financial records indicating the Stinger purchases are there, the testimonials come from as high up as the then National Security Advisor, and we have the very directive (National Security Decision Directive (NSDD) 166) which gave the order to train the Mujahideen.
What else do you want? Video evidence?
Oh wait, we have that too.
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11-07-2009, 01:29 AM
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Shit. I'm too drunk to get pissed about Ashlies' posts. Lemme go back to this tomorrow.
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You fucking people [war veterans] are only a step below entitled rich kids, the only difference being you had to do and witness horrible things, instead of being given everything.
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11-07-2009, 01:33 AM
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Shit. I'm too drunk to get pissed about Ashlies' posts. Lemme go back to this tomorrow.
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Equivalence and I are well on track to beat them into a quivering ball of shame and ignorance, but I love seeing you rip people an A shaped new one.
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Because before too long there'll be nothing left alive, not a creature on the land or sea, a bird in the sky. They'll be shot, harpooned, eaten, and hunted too much, vivisected by the clever men who prove that there's no such things as a fair world with live and let live. The Royal family go hunting, what an example to give to the people they lead and that don't include me, I've seen enough pain and torture of those who can't speak...
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11-07-2009, 04:59 AM
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Government is the price we pay for safety. Read up on Thomas Hobbes and John Locke.
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Political science major my smooth, beautiful balls. Get fucked.
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11-07-2009, 07:26 AM
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You should talk you fugly, cat bashing, psychopathic urinal on two legs...
-Jack_the_knife
I don't hate you. Saying I hate you would be like saying I hate a dog with no legs trying to cross a busy freeway.
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11-07-2009, 03:04 PM
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Cause I am the political science major none of you are.
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WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU? You essentially just said "I don't have to know anything! I passed some classes and shit! I'm right!"
Fuck you, ignorant classist piece of shit.
Why the hell are you in polisci if you're NOT INTERESTED IN POLITICAL SCIENCE!? Your attitude makes as much sense as a linguistics major who says "I'm not interested in any languages besides English! In fact, my particular dialect is so AWESOME I think it's the only one there should be!"
GODDAMNIT, what's the point? Every day I feel more and more like the world I'm living in is actually something written by Kurt Vonnegut. You can fuck off and die, because you're an adult-child who can't be bothered with seeing anything past your tiny man-child dick. That or, you know, GROW UP or read a book that challenges your ideas or SOMETHING that gives you actual knowledge and credibility rather than "A-HUR! I done turned in all my homeworks and beleived everything I got told, then I puked it back up on test day!"
You SHOULD be ashamed, but I doubt you have the capacity to experience such an emotion.
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11-07-2009, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Joker_in_the_Pack
HA. I know Hobbes and Locke, they're total pricks. Read up on Godwin, Proudhon, Kropotkin, Bakunin, Landauer, and even Thoreau.
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:makes notes to buy said author's books and shakes head negatively at ever considering being able to keep up with everyone here on Gnet:
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