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Old 04-09-2009, 07:21 AM   #26
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I've said pretty much the same with regards to my own daughters (and my son too, but this case was a girl). If anyone ever touched a hair on their heads, such as ****/molest them, I would stop at nothing to get justice. It's all well and good sitting here saying violence is wrong, and it is, but parents do irrational things when someone does something like this to their child. In an idea world you would hope they would be locked up and forced to be bubbas bitch, but the reality is, that NEVER happens. I know a woman whos bf at the time, sexually abused her 5yr old and did so much damage she needed corrective surgeries. A FUCKING CHILD who had more damage caused to her than that of a grown woman giving birth naturally to 6 babies ffs. He was locked up for 18 MONTHS. I would fully support the mother if she did the same with petrol and lighter. Only I'd suggest she do it slower and make the bastard suffer.
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I've said pretty much the same with regards to my own daughters (and my son too, but this case was a girl). If anyone ever touched a hair on their heads, such as ****/molest them, I would stop at nothing to get justice.
Revenge isn't justice.
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Old 04-09-2009, 07:37 AM   #28
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I've said pretty much the same with regards to my own daughters (and my son too, but this case was a girl). If anyone ever touched a hair on their heads, such as ****/molest them, I would stop at nothing to get justice. It's all well and good sitting here saying violence is wrong, and it is, but parents do irrational things when someone does something like this to their child. In an idea world you would hope they would be locked up and forced to be bubbas bitch, but the reality is, that NEVER happens. I know a woman whos bf at the time, sexually abused her 5yr old and did so much damage she needed corrective surgeries. A FUCKING CHILD who had more damage caused to her than that of a grown woman giving birth naturally to 6 babies ffs. He was locked up for 18 MONTHS. I would fully support the mother if she did the same with petrol and lighter. Only I'd suggest she do it slower and make the bastard suffer.
So you think that a child who has gone through **** deserves a mother who would **** and torture someone, rather than a mother who is kind of full of grace?
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Old 04-09-2009, 08:45 AM   #29
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Whoa. That's crazy.

I can understand being tempted to hurt him back in some way, but I think this lady took things a bit too far. x_x;;
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Old 04-09-2009, 08:51 AM   #30
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No, I said that parents do irrational things when something awful happens to their child. Not all parents do, and not all parents will, but it's also very easy to say how wrong it was without understanding the parents point of view, if you dont have kids. And whereas revenge isnt the answer, and certainly isnt rational justice, to a parent whos child has been harmed and then let down by a system meant to protect the innocent and punish the guilty, to that parent it is acceptable. I'm not saying what this woman did was ok. I'm saying I can understand what drove her to do what she did.

It isn't right that people do these things to others, children or other adults, and then get a reduced sentence because they plead mental issues rendered them unable to restrain themselves. And it isnt right parents take the law into their own hands either and can claim mental issues were the reason, but it is more understandable why the parent seeks revenge. We protect our young, and in cases like this the mother probably just saw red and wanted the man to suffer and die, and didnt consider the consequence of that, would mean her daughter losing both her innocence AND her mother.

Some countries have the death sentence for murderers, but what is there for rapists and child abusers? Locking them up for a few years then letting them go free to do it again is hardly justice either. I dont know how it works in the US but in the UK we have nothing. Our children are exposed to convicted and released ********** daily, because they are released into heavily populated areas and housed near schools, and we don't have the right to know where they are.
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Old 04-09-2009, 09:11 AM   #31
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and we don't have the right to know where they are.
Yeah, to protect people who've served their punishment from idiots like you who think it's understandable to set fire to them.
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I hope she got the book thrown at her.
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Old 04-09-2009, 09:50 AM   #33
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No, I said that parents do irrational things when something awful happens to their child. Not all parents do, and not all parents will, but it's also very easy to say how wrong it was without understanding the parents point of view, if you dont have kids. And whereas revenge isnt the answer, and certainly isnt rational justice, to a parent whos child has been harmed and then let down by a system meant to protect the innocent and punish the guilty, to that parent it is acceptable. I'm not saying what this woman did was ok. I'm saying I can understand what drove her to do what she did.

It isn't right that people do these things to others, children or other adults, and then get a reduced sentence because they plead mental issues rendered them unable to restrain themselves. And it isnt right parents take the law into their own hands either and can claim mental issues were the reason, but it is more understandable why the parent seeks revenge. We protect our young, and in cases like this the mother probably just saw red and wanted the man to suffer and die, and didnt consider the consequence of that, would mean her daughter losing both her innocence AND her mother.

Some countries have the death sentence for murderers, but what is there for rapists and child abusers? Locking them up for a few years then letting them go free to do it again is hardly justice either. I dont know how it works in the US but in the UK we have nothing. Our children are exposed to convicted and released ********** daily, because they are released into heavily populated areas and housed near schools, and we don't have the right to know where they are.
Don't pull that "you don't have kids, you don't understand" bullshit.
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Ophie: To be fair, I think it really is difficult to understand parental mentality completely until you have a little one of your own.

That being said, though, I don't believe that most sane parents would actually carry through with such ludicrous revenge scemes. They may consider it, but I think a good parent would realize that their kid needs them to stay out of jail and out of trouble with the law.
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Old 04-09-2009, 11:00 AM   #35
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Ophie: To be fair, I think it really is difficult to understand parental mentality completely until you have a little one of your own.
That's completely true.
However, it's asinine to say I would do something equally horrible.
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Old 04-11-2009, 12:07 AM   #36
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That's completely true.
However, it's asinine to say I would do something equally horrible.
Ophie, I give your argument a 4.

And your asinine.

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Old 04-11-2009, 05:25 AM   #37
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Ophie, I give your argument a 4.

And your asinine.

HA!
I'm ok with your bad grammar, don't worry about it.
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I'm ok with your bad grammar, don't worry about it.
It's a play on words.

Asinine = ass a nine.
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It's a play on words.

Asinine = ass a nine.
My ass a nine?
What does that even mean?
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He gives your argument a four, but your ass a nine, four and nine out of whatever the maximum mark is on his scale of appreciation, most likely out of ten but it could potentially be any number.
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He gives your argument a four, but your ass a nine, four and nine out of whatever the maximum mark is on his scale of appreciation, most likely out of ten but it could potentially be any number.
Oh.
That is pretty funny.
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Old 04-11-2009, 08:14 PM   #42
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No, I said that parents do irrational things when something awful happens to their child. Not all parents do, and not all parents will, but it's also very easy to say how wrong it was without understanding the parents point of view, if you dont have kids. And whereas revenge isnt the answer, and certainly isnt rational justice, to a parent whos child has been harmed and then let down by a system meant to protect the innocent and punish the guilty, to that parent it is acceptable. I'm not saying what this woman did was ok. I'm saying I can understand what drove her to do what she did.

It isn't right that people do these things to others, children or other adults, and then get a reduced sentence because they plead mental issues rendered them unable to restrain themselves. And it isnt right parents take the law into their own hands either and can claim mental issues were the reason, but it is more understandable why the parent seeks revenge. We protect our young, and in cases like this the mother probably just saw red and wanted the man to suffer and die, and didnt consider the consequence of that, would mean her daughter losing both her innocence AND her mother.

Some countries have the death sentence for murderers, but what is there for rapists and child abusers? Locking them up for a few years then letting them go free to do it again is hardly justice either. I dont know how it works in the US but in the UK we have nothing. Our children are exposed to convicted and released ********** daily, because they are released into heavily populated areas and housed near schools, and we don't have the right to know where they are.
You've never known anyone that's done hard time, have you?

Child molesters get the ungodly shit kicked out of them in prison.

Secondly, even by your own stupid eye for eye mentality, murder isn't equal to ****. I don't care how fucked **** is, you're still fucking ALIVE.
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You've never known anyone that's done hard time, have you?

Child molesters get the ungodly shit kicked out of them in prison.

Secondly, even by your own stupid eye for eye mentality, murder isn't equal to ****. I don't care how fucked **** is, you're still fucking ALIVE.
Ahhhh, but if you're dead, you can't get *****. I win!
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Old 04-12-2009, 10:21 AM   #44
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You've never known anyone that's done hard time, have you?

Child molesters get the ungodly shit kicked out of them in prison.

Secondly, even by your own stupid eye for eye mentality, murder isn't equal to ****. I don't care how fucked **** is, you're still fucking ALIVE.
You clearly know very little about the British prison service then. They segregate the fuckers, so all the pedos get their own little bit away from the criminals who would infact, kill them. The bloke who seriously abused a friends daughter and got 18 months? Walked out of prison without a scratch on him.

But yes, I know people who have served time. I happen to know someone who's serving time for kidnap and **** of a 17yr old girl. He did the driving, his brother did the ****. Not a single person who knows him believes for a minute he did it, but he's been convicted and serving his time. He has done 6yrs now and not been attacked once.

I know another man who was locked up because his daughter accused him of abusing her. It took 2yrs of being in prison and assessments and evidence to be brought, that cleared him of all charges. Nothing happened to him during those 2 yrs, despite him being behind bars accused of kiddy fiddling, and he is now a free man. He left prison unscathed too.

I know people who have served time for fraud, drugs, dangerous weapons, GBH etc, and I come from a family with several police officers in it, so I am more than aware of the shitty system this country has. Child abusers, pedos and child killers all get special treatment in that they are protected by the system.
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Old 04-12-2009, 10:34 AM   #45
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I know people who have served time for fraud, drugs, dangerous weapons, GBH etc, and I come from a family with several police officers in it, so I am more than aware of the shitty system this country has. Child abusers, pedos and child killers all get special treatment in that they are protected by the system.
Blaaaah. Face it, you're a fucking loony with grandiose delusions of unleashing puritanical rage upon criminals like the housewife equivalent of Batman, lurking in the shadows with a 'Mum Knows Best' apron and a rolling pin with razorblades on it.
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But yes, I know people who have served time. I happen to know someone who's serving time for kidnap and **** of a 17yr old girl. He did the driving, his brother did the ****. Not a single person who knows him believes for a minute he did it, but he's been convicted and serving his time. He has done 6yrs now and not been attacked once.
Wait, you're not implying that this man shouldn't be in prison, right?
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Maybe I'm just intolerant, but for facilitating the **** of a young girl I think being put down is a more appropriate response than prison.

There's just something about that particular action that makes me really angry.
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Even more than the **** itself. Seriously.
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