To my fellow Coloradans RE: Amendment 62 - Page 7

KontanKarite · 10-24-2010, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Versus

I think the problem, though, is that at some point it effects your normal life. I'm fortunate in that my only issues are I don't like when people move my things, I don't like crowds, I don't like noises I can feel, and I don't like barbecued chicken.

My experience was totally different. I consider myself lucky. However, when I got out, my issues was a general distrust of anyone in an authority position, any stranger that made eye contact with me, and large crowds. Shit, there were days that I freaked out because I got mail from my bank and my actual discharge papers from the reserves... forget about it. I flipped. Luckily I got better though.

For what it's worth, I hope that stuff will/is getting better for you.

TheFeatheredÆtheling · 10-24-2010, 11:25 PM

And by the way, I am one of those things on your list.

Versus · 10-24-2010, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KontanKarite

No, I get exactly what you mean. Trust me, I understand how the concept of being a service member is almost like pure bad ass glory and there's SOME aspects to it that truly is badass.

I'm just saying that there ARE more benevolent ways to be a hero.

Be a fire fighter
Be an EMT
Be a nurse
Be a doctor
Be a social worker
Be a humanitarian
Be a school teacher
Be a coach
Be a cop

I completely agree. It bothers me that people don't recognize them as much as they should. I'm not complaining that I don't get ostracized for being a baby killer, but I feel the level of support people give the military is just because of the current state of affairs. There is no reason that a guy who pumps gas in the army should be held above a god damn doctor, or any of the other example professions you listed.

KontanKarite · 10-24-2010, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFeatheredÆtheling

Kontan, exactly.

I dropped out of the Hospital Corps school and switched my rate. I was in the top 10% of my class too... if that even means anything. At the time, I felt I was saving lives in the long run by doing so.

I got to thinking about it and I seriously could not get over the eventuality that someday, someone would die in my hands. I couldn't shake it. So I became military police. Ironically enough, I was apparently responsible for saving a lieutenant's daughter after a horrific car crash on the Tang.

I didn't think I really did much. I kept her conscious and the docs said that had I not, she would have suffered brain damage or something like that. Whatever.

ape descendant · 10-24-2010, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFeatheredÆtheling

That's Western individualism for you.

What is meant by this? Or do I want to open this potentially messy can of worms?

KontanKarite · 10-24-2010, 11:40 PM

I seriously have no idea what he means by that. I chose to ignore it.

Versus · 10-24-2010, 11:40 PM

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What is meant by this? Or do I want to open this potentially messy can of worms?

I love how polite you are. I don't think it's possible to derail or otherwise light a powder keg in your own thread. XD

TheFeatheredÆtheling · 10-24-2010, 11:55 PM

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What is meant by this? Or do I want to open this potentially messy can of worms?

I'm enjoying this thread (and that is a can of worms, Miss Descendant, I assure you). I've learnt some interesting information in the last hour here. I'll test my heretical views some other time when things get boring. 'No offense, guys.

ape descendant · 10-25-2010, 11:33 AM

....judging by the silence... things just got boring...

Saya · 10-25-2010, 05:55 PM

I know the topic has turned away from abortion, and it is a topic that I can't say I enjoy discussing, but I saw this video and thought I'd share:

http://www.salon.com/news/abortion/i...10/25/abortion

Versus · 10-25-2010, 06:34 PM

That's horrible. The most amazing part is they still stood there after having nothing to say.

LaBelleDameSansMerci · 10-25-2010, 07:13 PM

Good for him.

Versus · 10-25-2010, 08:28 PM

Pretty much. Though, I'm sure he doesn't feel any better at the end of the day.

ape descendant · 10-26-2010, 11:56 AM

GO DAD!! Its one of those sad situations that some people don't think about when heckling clients at a clinic that offers abortion.

I don't even want to imagine the horror that could have ensued if a fetus with congenital defects that will be born dead anyway, will have the same rights as the poor woman carrying it.

:'( The whole affair makes me incredibly sad.

LaBelleDameSansMerci · 10-26-2010, 07:52 PM

Yeah. I don't really see how people can reasonably object to an abortion if the baby's going to be stillborn anyway. It's the same result at the end, less risk to the woman, and less time and trouble carrying the damn thing to term.

But then, a lot of radical religious people aren't reasonable.

Catch · 10-27-2010, 08:23 AM

Yah, that doesn't make sense at all.

Well this thread has been mighty informative. Not really, seems like people have been arguing over it for years. There is only one thing that I agree with on the pro-life front, having and abortion in the third trimester is insane. Doctors could induce labor and the baby would be born premature. It can live outside the womb on its own.

As for everything else, they won't fund orphan ages. They won't increase job opportunities for women. They won't reduce the age limit for marriage. They won't discuss sex education, abstinence or raising children in schools. They won't work on anything to make it possible to have additional children in the country. Adoption is like a Band-Aid on a broken leg.

Yep, and the preference is adopting Asian babies, so via la abortion.

Versus · 10-27-2010, 01:55 PM

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As for everything else, they won't fund orphan ages. They won't increase job opportunities for women. They won't reduce the age limit for marriage. They won't discuss sex education, abstinence or raising children in schools. They won't work on anything to make it possible to have additional children in the country. Adoption is like a Band-Aid on a broken leg.

This was interesting to me. Maybe my line of thinking is a little askew, but when I'm not given specific guidance I think it implies "get it down however you want to, I can't be bothered with it." So under that context, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that because someone can't be bothered to provide a combination of the above, we should be able to handle our situations however we see fit?

ape descendant · 10-27-2010, 02:20 PM

How could some advocate forcing a woman to give birth to a corpse? Or, to have to go through the courts to get permission.. which will likely not come until it is too late, traumatizing woman and her family. Sounds rather morbid... in a bad way.

Versus · 10-28-2010, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ape descendant

How could some advocate forcing a woman to give birth to a corpse? Or, to have to go through the courts to get permission.. which will likely not come until it is too late, traumatizing woman and her family. Sounds rather morbid... in a bad way.

There isn't a way to justify it. Those women didn't want to admit they are wrong.

CptSternn · 10-28-2010, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KontanKarite

I'm just saying that there ARE more benevolent ways to be a hero.

Be a fire fighter
Be an EMT
Be a nurse
Be a doctor
Be a social worker
Be a humanitarian
Be a school teacher
Be a coach
Be a cop

A list of all socialised services in America. Coincidence?

Catch · 10-28-2010, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by CptSternn

A list of all socialised services in America. Coincidence?

Actually, it is a good point. Government is growing, while regular people are always in trouble. Then they go to the government to fix it. I wonder if government employees can pay all their wages from just the income taxes on their paychecks, because hiring more government employees to do more stuff for everyone else has gotten crazy in the USA.

Catch · 10-28-2010, 10:35 AM

I wonder if anyone thinks, "the aborted child could grew up to be a cult follower, serial killer, deadbeat or dead before they reach age 12?"

LaBelleDameSansMerci · 10-30-2010, 05:57 PM

Or they could have been highly gifted, extremely useful members of society who live to be 100. There's no way to tell.

CptSternn · 10-31-2010, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Catch

Actually, it is a good point.

If it is a good point, then why exactly are you trying to discount it?

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Government is growing, while regular people are always in trouble. Then they go to the government to fix it.

What is it exactly you are trying to say here? What are 'regular people'? Why would police, firemen, etc. not qualify as 'regular people'? As areas grow they need more police and fire-fighters. Are you trying to say America needs less police, ambulance drivers, EMTs, and fire-fighters? Why? Because it costs money?

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I wonder if government employees can pay all their wages from just the income taxes on their pay checks, because hiring more government employees to do more stuff for everyone else has gotten crazy in the USA.

Again, are you seriously trying to say America should do away with police, medical, emergency, and fire services because you think it 'has gotten crazy'?

How exactly will doing away with emergency services make things less crazy? Did you think that statement through?

If you get rid of all the police and fire services, you do know you and everyone around you will be quite screwed, don't you?

KontanKarite · 10-31-2010, 10:20 AM

Sternn, Catch is just a stupid bitch. She's always been a stupid bitch and she always will be a stupid bitch.