Gnet in the badly dubed 70s era Swedish porno

[All Shall Be Judged]

Originally Posted by MissCheyenne

APATHY AND PJ MAKE THEIR WAY OUT TO THE POOLSIDE, STOPPING OFF BY THE KITCHEN WHERE PJ WARMS SOME MILK.

AC:-'Er, PJ, what's the milk for?'

PJ SMILES ENIGMATICALLY.

PJ:- 'Judge has a little surprise for you.'

PJ LEADS APATHY OUT TO THE POOLSIDE WHERE JUDGE IS WAITING FOR THEM.

J:- 'Ah, Apathy, I trust you've been having....fun? PJ, be a darling and bring my bag from the car''

AC :- 'Well, no not really, SCC and Kk madea bit of a mess of me,' poiting toward his face.

JUDGE RISES FROM THE SUNLOUNGER THAT SHE HAS BEEN RESTING ON AND WALKS OVER TO APATHY. SHE CRADLES HIS FACE BETWEEN HIS HANDS THEN LEANS FORWARD AND GENTLY LICKS THE DRIED REMAINS OF SCC AND KK'S LOVE FEST FROM HIS CHEEK.

AC:- 'Aw, judge, fuck, you're so hot.....goddamn woman, why'd you keep me waiting so long?'

JUDGE SMILES AT APATHY AS PJ APPROACHES CARRYING A LARGE LEATHER BAG. APTHY IS LED TO A LOUNGER AND JUDGE PRESSES HIM FORWARD.

J:- 'Just relax sugarpie, Judge has soemthing special in store for you'

PJ AND JUDGE GUIDE APATHY, LAYING HIM FACE DOWN ON THE LOUNGER. JUDGE REACHES INTO THE BAG AND PRODUCES FOUR SETS OF STEEL CUFFS. THEY CUFF APATHY TOT HE SUNLOUNGER, HIS THROBBIGN ERECTION MAKING IT DIFFICULT FOR HIM TO LIE STILL.

J:- ' Now, I assume that SCC....loosened you up a little?'

JUDGE PULLS A FUNNEL AND PLASTIC TUBING FROM THE BAG, SLOWLY SLIDING ONE END OF THE TUBE INTO APATHY'S NOW GAPING MANHOLE.

AC :- [gasping] Judge, baby, what the hell are you doing?'

J :- 'The milk Pj'

JUDGE PROCEEDS TO POUR THE WARM MILK DOWN THE FUNNEL, APATHY MOANS AS THE WARMTH FLOODS INTO HIM, WRIGGLING TO ACCOMMODATE HIS STRAINING ERECTION. PJ REMOVES THE TUBING AND FUNNEL AS JUDGE OPENS A PREVIOUSLY UNMENTIONED BASKET, LIFTING OUT A HUGE, SLITHERING SNAKE. IT'S MOUTH HAS BEEN STITCHED TOGETHER RENDERING IT HARMLESS. JUDGE HOLDS THE SNAKE IN FRONT OF APATHY'S FACE.

J :- 'Wriggle wriggle!' she says grinning manically.

JUDGE HOLDS THE SNAkE OUT TOWARDS APATHY'S ASS, GIGGLING INSANELY TO HERSELF AS IT SLITHERS AND TWISTS, SNIFFING OUT THE MILK. IT LUNGES FORWARD,PLOWING ITSELF DEEP INSIDE APATHY IN ONE SWIFT MOVEMENT.

AC: - 'MAGHEHLDOPRIOHNFNSjSOPIHSDNEWIOpJDASKL!!!!!!'

PJ AND JUDGE WATCH AS APATHY BUCKS AND TWISTS AS THE SNAKE BURROWS DEEPER INSIDE HIM. JUDGE REACHES OUT, PULLING PJ TOWARDS HER, FOLDING HER IN A TIGHT EMBRACE. SHE CUPS HER FACE GENTLY AND SMOTHERS HER IN HOT, WET KISSES.

Why MissCheyenne, have you been spying on me?

[MissCheyenne]

If I told you that Judge, you might start closing your curtains

[MissCheyenne]

APATHY CONTINUES TO WRITHE ON THE LOUNGER AS PJ AND JUDGE WATCH OVER HIM, ONLY LOOKING AWAY TO SMOTHER EACH OTHER WITH KISSES.

AC :- 'mfweuiohnwefjbiqUIOWEFUIBFWEJKLA\HFEOI;SCNKL!!!!! !!!!'

JUDGE EVENTUALLY TIRES OF THE SPECTACLE AND GENTLY REMOVES THE STILL WRIGGLING SNAKE, PLACING IT BACK INTO THE BASKET AT HER FEET. SHE TURNS TO PJ.

J :-' Pj, the milk.....clean it up.'

PJ OBEDIENTLY KNEELS BEFORE APATHY'S GAPING LOVE TUNNEL, LAPPING AT THE NOW COOLING MILK DRIPPING FROM HIM. ( Don't worry guys, it's TOTALLY soy milk) FINISHING UP HER MILKY TREAT, SHE TURNS AND GAZES UP AT JUDGE ADORINGLY.

PJ:- ' Do we let him up now?'

JUDGE CONSIDERS FOR A MOMENT BEFORE BEGINNING TO UNDO THE CUFFS HOLDING APATHY DOWN.

J: -' Well, Pj, I can hardly ride the love pony if he's face down can I?' she says with a wink.

PJ AND JUDGE FINISH UP REMOVING THE CUFFS AND TURN APATHY OVER GENTLY. PJ LEANS DOWN AND PLANTS A LONG, LINGERING KISS ON APATHY,BREATH HEAVY WITH MILK AND ASS.

JUDGE REMOVES HER BIKINI, TO STAND NAKED BEFORE APATHY, WHO'S EYES ARE BULGING AT THE SIGHT OF HER GLORIOUS FIRE PUSSY.

J:- ' Well now, AC, are you sure you can.....handle the heat?'

APATHY GULPS AND NODS SLOWLY, TREMBLING AT THE MAGNIFICENT SIGHT OF JUDGE. JUDGE PUSHES HIM BACK ON THE SUN LOUNGER, SHE STRADDLES HIM AND SLIDES HERSELF SLOWLY DOWN HIS ENORMOUS, THROBBING GIGGLESTICK.

J:- ' Giddy Up!'

[Apathy's_Child]

Do I get Jack, or do you want him? I went back to page freakin' 7 of this shit to try and find out who's where and saw nothing but smut talk. You people are nasty.

[MissCheyenne]

I've got you, Judge and Pj out by the pool. Jack, Ophelia, Des Sol, Saya, Versus, Vin, KK and my good self are still in the room. Do with them what you will

[Apathy's_Child]

Okay, I need a willing volunteer to take Jack, Des, Ophie, Vin & Kontan off my hands. I'll stick with the magic four.

SOLUMINA SITS ON VERSUS'S FACE, FLICKING THE CROP AT HIS BALLS IN STINGING STROKES UNTIL HIS COCK IS HARDER THAN CATCH'S HEAD AND PRE-CUM IS OOZING OUT. SOL'S CLIT IS ENGORGED AND SHE IS GRINDING INTO V'S FACE AS HE WRIGGLES USELESSLY BENEATH HER. SAYA AND MC, STANDING AT HIS FEET, FALL INTO EACH OTHER'S ARMS AND BEGIN KISSING PASSIONATELY. THEY FALL TO THE FLOOR AND ROLL ONTO VERSUS'S LEGS, PINNING THEM DOWN AS THEY SETTLE FOR A MAKE-OUT SESSION. SAYA GOES FOR THE BOOB AND MC SPILLS INTO HER HAND WITH JOYFUL EAGERNESS AS SOL LASHES THE WHIP, GRINDING AND MOANING.

[MissCheyenne]

I'll take them!

[Apathy's_Child]

It kills me to let them go, but nine is just a noisy incomprehensible arrangement of limbs. Go nuts.

[MissCheyenne]

KONTAN IS CUFFED TO THE RADIATOR, GAZING OPEN MOUTHED At THE SOL<, VERSUS, SAYA AND MC FLOORSHOW GOING ON IN FRONT OF HIM. OVER ON THE CHAIR DES IS STILL PLOWING OPHELIA, SLAMMING INTO HER LIKE A STEAM TRAIN. VIN, STILL WEARING THE BLACK MAMBA, MAKES HER WAY OVER TO JACK BY THE WINDOW.

V:- ' Yo, Jack baby, you got any green?'

JACK GRINS AT HER, REACHING UP THE SLEEVE OF HIS WICKEDLY COOL PURPLE SATIN SHIRT TO PULL OUT A MASSIVE J. HE LIGHTS IT, BLOWING A THICK CLOUD OF SMOKE INTO VIN'S FACE.

Sj :- ' Stick with me baby, I got alllllllllllll the goods you need'

[Saya]

Finally, we all know this is the only fic that needs updating.

[MissCheyenne]

Originally Posted by Saya

Finally, we all know this is the only fic that needs updating.

Damn right it is. *nods*

[Apathy's_Child]

This right here is magic, people. I see it in the pink watermelon sunset, I see it in the eyes of a child, and hot damn if I don't see it shining in this thread.

[MissCheyenne]

Apathy, together we make the magic HAPPEN.

[Apathy's_Child]

Damn straight. Now, less talking, more humping like bonobos.

[MissCheyenne]

CUT BACK TO POOLSIDE. JUDGE IS RIDING APATHY LIKE HE'S THE LAST PONY ON EARTH, HER MAGNIFICENT TATTYBOJANGLES BOUNCING AROUND LIKE OVER EXCITED PUPPIES ON A TRAMPOLINE. SHE LOOKS OVER AT PJ WHO IS STANDING TO THE SIDE, ONE HAND DOWN HER BIKINI BOTTOMS.

J :- ' Pj, take a seat,' she says breathlessly.

WITHOUT A WORD, PJ REMOVES HER BIKINI BOTTOMS AND SMOOTHLY SLIDES ONTO APATHY'S FACE. SHE REACHES OVER AND STARTS TO CARESS JUDGE'S FINE RACK, A MOAN ESCAPING FROM HER LIPS AS SHE GRINDS DOWN HARD ON APATHY'S FACE.

[Apathy's_Child]

Yo, Saya – is my portrait of a man pawned by women getting’ theirs a liberating vision, or merely inverted objectification? I’m a little tight and this is probably gonna wind up being a confused point, but I’ve been thinking about this. Is the image of the dominatrix nothing more than another projection of male desire, and its promises of celebrating female power a ton of consolatory bullshit? Pornography is, after all, overwhelmingly dominated by male fantasies, and the dominatrix herself is traditionally a physical spectacle of femininity: tight corsets, boots and high heels, leather, PVC, glamorous makeup. Some pretty uncomfortable shit, no? Do we see her in this regard becoming complicit in her own oppression at the hands of society’s dictatorial prescriptions on what a woman should look like?

This is what’s baking my noodle – I haven’t made up my mind what I think about this yet, but the thought’s been coming & going for years. Does/would lesbian porn featuring a dominatrix alter the power balance? IS there an intrinsic power balance of this kind, or can the dominatrix, however one may feel about her actions and desires, transcend heteronormative assumptions? If so, would it take a feminist re-appropriation to achieve this?

Keep in mind that Versus is, after all, hard as a goddamn rock here.

[Saya]

Originally Posted by Apathy's_Child

Yo, Saya – is my portrait of a man pawned by women getting’ theirs a liberating vision, or merely inverted objectification? I’m a little tight and this is probably gonna wind up being a confused point, but I’ve been thinking about this. Is the image of the dominatrix nothing more than another projection of male desire, and its promises of celebrating female power a ton of consolatory bullshit? Pornography is, after all, overwhelmingly dominated by male fantasies, and the dominatrix herself is traditionally a physical spectacle of femininity: tight corsets, boots and high heels, leather, PVC, glamorous makeup. Some pretty uncomfortable shit, no? Do we see her in this regard becoming complicit in her own oppression at the hands of society’s dictatorial prescriptions on what a woman should look like?

This is what’s baking my noodle – I haven’t made up my mind what I think about this yet, but the thought’s been coming & going for years. Does/would lesbian porn featuring a dominatrix alter the power balance? IS there an intrinsic power balance of this kind, or can the dominatrix, however one may feel about her actions and desires, transcend heteronormative assumptions? If so, would it take a feminist re-appropriation to achieve this?

Keep in mind that Versus is, after all, hard as a goddamn rock here.

Ha, I haven't made my mind up about this stuff yet either. I'm going to say inverted objectification, but, the problem is that when porn has an assumed audience, be it female, male, straight or gay, there's probably going to be an amount of objectification in it. If an audience isn't assumed, you're probably going to please no one. There's also probably always going to be something I could pick apart and make problematic.

Also, you can't always fault people for what they like, if I said "lesbian porn that is attractive to men" is wrong, what does that say about me liking yaoi? Dominatrixes do provide a change from shit where women are humiliated and degraded, and put in extremely painful situations, and its very obvious that they're not enjoying it. Also, there was a good essay in Yes Means Yes, I think it was, that was talking about how S&M communities are a good model for the issue of consent, because they take it so seriously, the minute the safety word is said it all stops. If we all took consent that seriously, we'd have a much lower r@pe rate.

A lot of dominatrixes also consider themselves feminists, and I'm not going to be one to patronize them and say that they're victims of oppression.

Also, I'd have a hard time getting offended when its for shits and giggles, and its only written.

[Solumina]

Originally Posted by Apathy's_Child

tight corsets, boots and high heels, leather, PVC, glamorous makeup. Some pretty uncomfortable shit, no?

Actually, not so much. Cheap corsets can be uncomfortable as are those that have been laced too tight but a nice one can be pretty damn comfortable, same is true of high heels as well as leather and PVC, high quality pieces feel fantastic. It may not be true of everyone but I dress the part because I like the way it looks and feels, to hell with whether or not someone else likes it.

[MissCheyenne]

I totally agree with Sol, a well made corset is not the slightest bit uncomfortable. It seems to be those who buy cheaper, poorly made ones or lace them far too tightly that find them in any way uncomfortable to wear.

[Apathy's_Child]

Interesting. But my point is, the dominatrix still visually embodies male fantasy. The argument woukld be whether this is capable of encompassing and including female fantasy, or merely reveals the extent to which women have internalized the standards of their own oppression. I'm always kinda nonplussed when people claim they honestly like wearing high heels - even if you can walk okay in them, there's no denying they restrict your movement. I don't get that. I get antsy if I have to have my top button done up.

[MissCheyenne]

You raise an interesting point. In some ways I think it's now inbuilt into a lot of women that in order to look good, a certain amount of suffering is to be endured. Oddly enough, it seems that women dress for other women rather than for men. The large majority of men I know, prefer women with a more natural look rather than those who spend a lot of time and money on beauty products, treatments and tight fitting, revealing clothes. I refuse to read magazines aimed at women because I truly feel that they oppress women, even though they are largely written BY women. They are full of articles on how to lose weight, look fashionable, how to reinvent yourself, how to please your man in bed and adverts for products well beyond the financial reach of most, everyday women. Then of course, you get to the classified adverts in the back of them which are nothing but ads for cosmetic surgery and the like. Basically,they make you feel bad for not achieving a stupidly high ideal that seems to me to have been created by OTHER WOMEN rather than by men. Women, the true oppressors of other women

[Apathy's_Child]

Exactly. EXACTLY. It's really not about what men demand of women any more. This shit is endemic.

[Saya]

Originally Posted by MissCheyenne

You raise an interesting point. In some ways I think it's now inbuilt into a lot of women that in order to look good, a certain amount of suffering is to be endured. Oddly enough, it seems that women dress for other women rather than for men. The large majority of men I know, prefer women with a more natural look rather than those who spend a lot of time and money on beauty products, treatments and tight fitting, revealing clothes. I refuse to read magazines aimed at women because I truly feel that they oppress women, even though they are largely written BY women. They are full of articles on how to lose weight, look fashionable, how to reinvent yourself, how to please your man in bed and adverts for products well beyond the financial reach of most, everyday women. Then of course, you get to the classified adverts in the back of them which are nothing but ads for cosmetic surgery and the like. Basically,they make you feel bad for not achieving a stupidly high ideal that seems to me to have been created by OTHER WOMEN rather than by men. Women, the true oppressors of other women

Absolutely, but the male gaze still does have a role. The most increasingly common plastic surgery now is labiaplasty, so women can have their vulvas look more like those of (photoshopped) porno mags. And I think a lot of what women do is still under the idea of what a man wants and what it means to be a heterosexual woman. And a lot of people in power in the media are men, and sell an image they think adheres to the male gaze. And a lot of it has to do with the fact that many, regardless of gender, put women's self worth on what they look like.

And this is why its so troublesome to ask whether dominatrixes can be a model of female fantasy or do they represent male fantasy? When you get down to it its hard to say what anyone does out of free will or because of outside influence, and it really depends on the context. In the context of this thread, Apathy, I wouldn't say its empowering for my character because its not my idea of what empowerment is and not something I actually get a kick out of in real life. With Solumina however, might not be so XD

P.S. MC, Bust magazine is a pretty good women's magazine. Its a feminist magazine but there's not much emphasis put on that, just that their models aren't always stick thin, nothing about diets or pleasing your man, and they have an erotica story in the back all the time. Infact I think most of their ads come from sex shops.

[Solumina]

Originally Posted by Apathy's_Child

I'm always kinda nonplussed when people claim they honestly like wearing high heels - even if you can walk okay in them, there's no denying they restrict your movement.

Yes and no. They do restrict your movements more than being barefoot or wearing sneakers but I find high heels to be every bit as easy to move in as flats, and many of them are a hell of a lot easier to move about in than my riding boots (though they wouldn't offer nearly as much protection if I were to get stepped on). I think people who own shoes that they can't really move about in are silly, I can run, jump, and climb in any pair of shoes I own...okay I take that back, climbing in my platform boots would be difficult but I can still run and jump in them. Besides I love the sound of heels clicking as I walk and the way they enhance my posture. What is true for me may very well not be true for the majority of women, doesn't change the fact that it is true for me.


I think you are getting a little too fixated on whether or not something is oppressive. I applaud the fact that you don't want to force male ideals onto women but the thing is that women can like embracing the female form and showing it off just as much as men do. The thing is that it doesn't really matter how an image started out, it's very likely that the classic image of a dominatrix sprang from a man's imagination, that doesn't mean that it isn't something that women can embrace, or that women can't find power in that image.

[Saya]

Originally Posted by Solumina

] I applaud the fact that you don't want to force male ideals onto women but the thing is that women can like embracing the female form and showing it off just as much as men do.

But its also a question of who decides what it means to have a female form and what we are embracing. A corset was meant to bend a woman's shape out of bent because it wasn't naturally "perfect" and feminine. We've come to believe that body hair isn't feminine, even if its natural on our female form, high heels are feminine, even though its contrary to what is natural and can have serious health effects, flat chested isn't feminine, thin is feminine, muscles aren't feminine. Its a narrow view of what feminine is that many women don't fit.