My school councellor says I have issues.

[KontanKarite]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

They're not saying what's best for you. They're thinking what's best for them, and your idea of what's best for you limits what's best for them.
As individuals they have a reason not to help your indulgence, but you believe that their lack of help is actually a form of oppression, because you have stopped looking at them like individuals, and you think of them as a collective that's trying to make you conform. This is simply not true.

Well, if beating the fuck out of kittens for shits and giggles is the same as eating meat, then label me as a psychopath.

Tell me, Jillian. How does an omnivore collective coexist with a vegan collective? The vegan collective will be neighbors to murderers apparently. Let's say that the vegan collective does everything in its power to keep the omnivore collective from gathering food from animals because the vegans felt it best to protect the animals from those evil, murderous omnivores.

I see conflict over the horizon and it's quite silly. An anarchist conflict because one collective doesn't want another one to hurt the animals and the other one is just trying to get nutrition.

In essence, on a personal note, I'm going to continue being an omnivore because it's what I am biologically and honestly, I LIKE the taste of meat. Hypotheticals aside, I'm never going to be a vegetarian and that's just something my fellow anarchists are going to have to deal with. Seriously, if being a vegan is anarchist, then call me a murderous statist. The best you can ever hope from me is being an advocate for humane treatment of our food sources.

Also, no it's NOT limiting what's best for them. They don't like it, then they don't have to eat it. There WILL be those that'll have a demand for tasty fried chicken.

[PortraitOfSanity]

Not all Anarchists are vegetarians...

[Godslayer Jillian]

Originally Posted by KontanKarite

I see conflict over the horizon and it's quite silly.

Could it be that you find it silly because it's silly?
Your reductio ad absurdum can be countered perfectly with this:
Do you see that happening with vegans and omnivores right now?

[KontanKarite]

We can only hope, Portrait.

Long live humanely treated steaks.

[KontanKarite]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

Could it be that you find it silly because it's silly?
Your reductio ad absurdum can be countered perfectly with this:
Do you see that happening with vegans and omnivores right now?

No, I don't. I think what I'm getting at is the implication that because people eat meat, they're just as likely to beat the shit out of a cat for the lulz.

Some actions, though similar in execution, are fucking stupid comparisons.

[Godslayer Jillian]

Did I ever compare them? Didn't I even told JCC he's wrong?
However you're talking about another society and the reasons meat should or should not be accepted. If there can be nutrition, and it doesn't demand the systematic slaughter of animals, then that diet is nothing but a whim. I never compared it to Uni beating up a cat, don't put words in my mouth.
Want a comparison for this?
Imagine someone wasting space that could be used to feed others because he wants tobacco, and complaining that the others don't like his decision therefore 'oppressing him'

[Saya]

Originally Posted by KontanKarite

No, I don't. I think what I'm getting at is the implication that because people eat meat, they're just as likely to beat the shit out of a cat for the lulz.

Some actions, though similar in execution, are fucking stupid comparisons.

That wasn't the implication at all. The point was that most people have a double standard. People think hitting a cat on a head is terrible, but if told that their chicken had its beak sawn off so that it wouldn't peck at other chickens or their cows were branded on the face, they say "What a shame" before biting into their steak.

[KontanKarite]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

Did I ever compare them? Didn't I even told JCC he's wrong?
However you're talking about another society and the reasons meat should or should not be accepted. If there can be nutrition, and it doesn't demand the systematic slaughter of animals, then that diet is nothing but a whim. I never compared it to Uni beating up a cat, don't put words in my mouth.
Want a comparison for this?
Imagine someone wasting space that could be used to feed others because he wants tobacco, and complaining that the others don't like his decision therefore 'oppressing him'

Sorry, dude. You just kinda got caught up in the crosswinds. It happens.

The guy who wants tobacco could as easily grow that shit in a hydroponic thing.

Saya, JCC did make that comparison, even if it was simply marginal at best.

There's plenty of meat eaters out there that demand more humane treatment of the animals.

I mean come on. If an animal is about to be turned into food, it may as well be treated like bloody royalty in my opinion.

[girasol]

Originally Posted by Unimatrix 00

I know what you guys mean about the cat, and Saya and JCC, I agree with you. People seem sickened by my actions, but it happens all the time with the food we eat and the clothes we wear. And don't try to say I was dehumanising the cat, one would think that wearing the skinned hide of an animal is to strip away its dignity.

...you can't dehumanize a cat -_-

[JustAprettyMask]

From the looks of it Uni I think you dug yourself a hole to deep to climb out of......I recommend that you should just stop typing....

[JCC]

Originally Posted by KontanKarite

Then set the animals free then... Henceforth, let it be known that animals should be set free outright and released back into the wild. I'm sure the murderous predators in the wild will love us for that.

Let's face it, if we want to embrace animal rights, we're going to have to go all the way and stop even having zoos and pets because it's potentially against their will to be pets and locked up.

God speed to the Pandas. o_0

You're absolutely right.

Originally Posted by KontanKarite

Remember, everyone. In an anarchist society, the life of a tuna is the same as your child. If your child kills a bumble bee, that child deserves to die.

I don't support the death penalty. You are right though, murder sucks no matter how small the victim is.

Originally Posted by KontanKarite

Jillian, as much as I abhor the idea of one person or even a small handful of elites owning my life to even an iota of a degree, I also abhor the idea of having to fall in line with the popular public opinion.

How else do you want to run a society? If you don't like a vegan community, go to a non-vegan one rather than pissing and moaning that they won't change their ways for you. Would you storm into a family's home and tell them that you don't like their furniture, they have to go out and buy more furniture so that you can approve of it?

Originally Posted by KontanKarite

No, I don't. I think what I'm getting at is the implication that because people eat meat, they're just as likely to beat the shit out of a cat for the lulz.

That's what started you off? Misunderstanding what I was trying to say, and then saying that I am wrong for saying it? I wasn't likening Uni's actions to that of a meat-eater, I was saying that such actions are rife in meat production; my point was about the apathy or ignorance of being a meat consumer despite being opposed to the maltreatment of animals, not about the sadism of being a meat consumer.

[All Shall Be Judged]

Friends,

The eating of meat is natural and morally justifiable. Farming, on the other hand, is warped and unnatural. It logically follows that the only meat which can reasonably be eaten is that which one has choked / shot / stoned (my personal favourite) the life from oneself after it has lived out its natural lifespan in a lovely green forest.

I now consider the matter closed, and shall frown upon further arguments on this subject.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by All Shall Be Judged

Friends,

The eating of meat is natural and morally justifiable.

Bloody hell, it is irrefutable! I completely revoke all of my prior viewpoints and fall completely in line with this argument!

[All Shall Be Judged]

Originally Posted by JCC

Bloody hell, it is irrefutable! I completely revoke all of my prior viewpoints and fall completely in line with this argument!

Heed this person, for he or she speaks the truth.

To be gifted with the ability to accurately recognise greatness is a gift beyond rubies and other shiny things. Use it well.

[Underwater Ophelia]

Originally Posted by JCC

How else do you want to run a society? If you don't like a vegan community, go to a non-vegan one rather than pissing and moaning that they won't change their ways for you. Would you storm into a family's home and tell them that you don't like their furniture, they have to go out and buy more furniture so that you can approve of it?

.

Um. You live in a society you don't agree with but you constantly piss and moan.
YOU find a new society.

[JCC]

You don't think that if there was an anarchist society I'd plan to move there?

[All Shall Be Judged]

Originally Posted by All Shall Be Judged

I now consider the matter closed, and shall frown upon further arguments on this subject.

Peace is within our grasp, but we must seize it for ourselves.

[Godslayer Jillian]

Originally Posted by All Shall Be Judged

The eating of meat is natural and morally justifiable.

Only as much as theft.
Need supersedes ethics, but if needs can be met, eating meat is unnecessary and whimsical.

[Underwater Ophelia]

Originally Posted by JCC

You don't think that if there was an anarchist society I'd plan to move there?

I don't know.
Your point was not to bitch if you're living in a society and you don't agree with the majority.
So stop bitching.

[Solumina]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

Only as much as theft.
Need supersedes ethics, but if needs can be met, eating meat is unnecessary and whimsical.

Not really, humans are omnivores, meat is meant to be a part of our diets. Different people and different ethnic groups have differing dietary needs and have differing abilities to meet those needs without meat, for some people going without meat is simply not an option.

[viscus]

Meat consumption is fine, so long as one takes responsibility the meat's origin and the sustainability of the system that produces it. Currently as a society we really don't, people consume far more meat than they need and the meat industry is horribly destructive and polluting.

I watched a quite interesting talk about this sort of thing recently. I think the speaker, Mark Bittman, overly romances food in the late 19th/early 20th century, but it was still very informative.

[Vivi]

Watch and learn from mother nature. Another animal is harmed only to acheive a goal such as gain dominance, for food, or to protect peers/territory. You dont see animals beating each other to get a laugh out of it.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by Vivi

Watch and learn from mother nature. Another animal is harmed only to acheive a goal such as gain dominance, for food, or to protect peers/territory. You dont see animals beating each other to get a laugh out of it.

Sure you do.

[chelseagirl]

I have come to the conclusion that either:

A. Your Gothic.net account is a joke, and everything you type is a joke just to fuck with us; or

B. You really do have mental problems and should seek counseling and/or medication.

[Alarica]

or infact both