Society and respect...

*sigh*

My kids are going to be spanked.
They WILL learn their pleases and thank yous.
They will CHOOSE TO respect their elders.
They will CHOOSE to love.
They will learn what a STEREOTYPE is.
They will WORK for what they want.
They will be PROVIDED what they need.
They will SERVE the damned customers.
They will NOT be spoiled brats.
They will ALWAYS be loved, no matter what.

[Queenofdarkness57]

If you're constantly bullied or abused especially by younger people, it's because you seem weak to them. At least pretend to have some self confidence, that'll keep them away. And in case someone approached you, tell them to fuck off. Don't wuss(sp?) out in front of them.

I can agree with the manners thing, but do not, EVER, stereotype ALL teens into angsty, rude, stupid children. That pisses me off. It's not all the kid's fault. It's also the parenting, the environment and the general attitude.

I second that.

[Virulent Dryad]

Originally Posted by darkangel29

*sigh*

My kids are going to be spanked.
They WILL learn their pleases and thank yous.
They will CHOOSE TO respect their elders.
They will CHOOSE to love.
They will learn what a STEREOTYPE is.
They will WORK for what they want.
They will be PROVIDED what they need.
They will SERVE the damned customers.
They will NOT be spoiled brats.
They will ALWAYS be loved, no matter what.

Sounds like a plan...

Good. Because if my parenting comes into question, so be it. No other parent has any right to say that another's parenting is WRONG, as so much as... indirect and ineffective. If I choose to hit my child (In a disciplinary manner, not Abuse) Then that is my choice. When I can have a child who can see the world as it is and not how it is painted by parents, then I will know I have succeded. Along with the father of course.

And Thanks Queenie. I somehow knew there would be a teen on here that would agree....

[Virulent Dryad]

So long as it isn't abuse, you're right, you can discipline your child in whichever way you feel best. Though it's complicated if say, your husband/partner feels differently, then you may have to compromise.

[Queenofdarkness57]

Oh you're welcome, sweetie. You were totally right. If teens act a certain way, it's because they learned it from adults. I mean look around you. They always say like mother like daughter/like father like son. Do you think you only teach us the good stuff, Hell NO! What's you're excuse? Blame it on the "media". I wonder who runs magazines, Tv channels, and radio stations. Well, before blaming it on anyone, look at yourself, work on yourself and then teach us manners. I'm not denying the fact that teens are more likely angsty and moody, but we're not the only ones and we're certainly not all the same.

[horrorgirl]

I think that there are a whole lot of kids out there these days that are not getting proper parenting. Sit the kid in front of a computer or a tv set instead of paying attention to their needs. It's sad.

[succubus,queenofvampires]

I agree with both DA and QoD. If grown-ups are irritated by teens' behavior, then they've got no one to blame but themselves. Because at some point, they, adults, were these teens' idols, and these teens looked up to them and picked up their bad habits.And if they didn't take enough care of these teens and taught them everything that they need to know when they were kids, then there's no reason for them to blame the kids.

The only time that teens stop being angsty and rude and act in a astupid manner is when adults stop blaming them and criticising their every move, and start cooperating with them and listening to every thing that they have to say. This way, the number of angsty teens will decrease or maybe even disappear.

Originally Posted by Virulent Dryad

So long as it isn't abuse, you're right, you can discipline your child in whichever way you feel best. Though it's complicated if say, your husband/partner feels differently, then you may have to compromise.

My current partner (Hopefully husband) and I agree 100% on parenting techniques, as described above. Compromise will only come if it doesn't work.

Originally Posted by Queenofdarkness57

Oh you're welcome, sweetie. You were totally right. If teens act a certain way, it's because they learned it from adults. I mean look around you. They always say like mother like daughter/like father like son. Do you think you only teach us the good stuff, Hell NO! What's you're excuse? Blame it on the "media". I wonder who runs magazines, Tv channels, and radio stations. Well, before blaming it on anyone, look at yourself, work on yourself and then teach us manners. I'm not denying the fact that teens are more likely angsty and moody, but we're not the only ones and we're certainly not all the same.

A-fucking MEN!

Originally Posted by horrorgirl

I think that there are a whole lot of kids out there these days that are not getting proper parenting. Sit the kid in front of a computer or a tv set instead of paying attention to their needs. It's sad.

Hence why I say what I do. Take some time out of your schedule for your damn kids. You pushed the bloody thing out of your vagina or had your hand broken in the process. How can you NOT pay attention to something that idolizes you and wants to be like you? *sigh*

Originally Posted by succubus,queenofvampires

I agree with both DA and QoD. If grown-ups are irritated by teens' behavior, then they've got no one to blame but themselves. Because at some point, they, adults, were these teens' idols, and these teens looked up to them and picked up their bad habits.And if they didn't take enough care of these teens and taught them everything that they need to know when they were kids, then there's no reason for them to blame the kids.

The only time that teens stop being angsty and rude and act in a astupid manner is when adults stop blaming them and criticising their every move, and start cooperating with them and listening to every thing that they have to say. This way, the number of angsty teens will decrease or maybe even disappear.

Or we could just bitch slap them with reality... send them out on their own for a while.

[Virulent Dryad]

Oh, I like that one. Sounds like another plan.

[Jane13]

*sigh* yeah, I agree with the majority of posts... kids these days suck, but so do adults. I'm usually to shocked to do anything when someone's that rude to me because

a) my parents would have smacked me if I was their age and acted that way
b) my friends were mostly brought up that way (and I think to a certain extent a lot of them shelter me in a big-brotherly way).
c) I live near a town that is very diverse, and a lot of people come from different countries, and most people are brought up to respect each other's differences.

Common courtesy and good parenting really seem to be going out the window lately.

AMEN Jane!

[A Simple Poet]

Okay, I've held back awhile to digest this. Here are my two cents.

I am thirty one years old and work in a customer service based industry where the customer is almost never right. (I don't want to get started on that cliche).

I have discourteous teens and acerebral adults I deal with on a daily basis. And I know that I have been and probably will be less than amiable toward them at times as well. I agree with those who want to blame it on paternal upbringing but I blame it on selfishness.

Our culture is CONSTANTLY inundated with visual media and commercials urging us to Have it OUR Way. It's all about YOU. There are tee-shirts that read "All About Me" and "Princess" and the like. And yes, it's cute and seemingly harmless but on a subliminal level, is it?

I submit that until a person, regardless of age, takes their eyes off of their own self gratification and consider the needs of ... hell, the existance of the person they are either helping as an employee or being helped by and acknoweldge them as a human being with a pulse (I hope), then nothing will change.

That's my theory, anyway.

[Godslayer Jillian]

Well, I'm a satanist, so it is about my own self gratification.
But still, far above that is the rule of "bother no one"

[Jane13]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

Well, I'm a satanist, so it is about my own self gratification.
But still, far above that is the rule of "bother no one"

Well, in that vein of thought, there's not harm in being polite to everyone else... they're more likely to help you with that goal that way ^^;

and thanks, Darkangel.

[Draconysius]

When someone scoffs at me, I simply smile and wave at them; not give them what they seek. There are indeed assholes EVERYWHERE, and you just have to devise your own way of dealing with them. You may find comfort in knowing that you're twenty times more mature than over 85% of the populace; It works for me sometimes.

[Nardol]

Kids these days... I feel older every time I say it, and that's very old indeed.

For some reason young teens seem to be creeped out by me. I don't really miss their attention.

[Blushing Heliophobe]

I have no patience for rude adults so I don't see why I should have more patience for rude kids.

I didn't make them, so why should I *try* to understand their angst?

Sorry, I've got enough of my own baggage to sort through and I don't have the time or desire to piddle around and deal with attitude off of people that I don't know, regardless of their age.

I love you Helio...

[Blushing Heliophobe]

Waves of my affection are wafting on a golden breeze in your general direction, sweetie!

[Catch]

Mmmm, okay. So the whole issue of respect. It's funny but I was actually watching M*A*S*H and the priest guy summed it up very well. You can defend yourself without beating a guy to death. In that way, protect yourself but still stay idealistic.

I think it's idealistic to think that everyone will treat eachother kindly. It would probably be better. However, be less sensitive and standing up for yourself is okay.

I try to show respect to people, but when it isn't returned I just avoid them, or act disrespectfully too. A friend of mine once said, "That it is easy to tell if someone really meant harm by what they did or said, depending on how they act when it is done back to them."

So there it is. I can't say I've never been careless with my words. I've been to out-there on occasion, but didn't mean anything by it. So maybe just relax, a little, could just be a cultural difference.

One cultural difference I can think of is telling someone they are not your friend. Took me a long time to figure out they weren't really calling someone out for a fight. ~sigh~ Meanwhile, it's like pulling teeth to get me to say that anyone isn't my friend. It doen't matter if I like the person at all. Just won't say it.