President

[AlKilyu]

Huh.

The last map I looked at looked something like this



The red being those counties that voted for Bush, the blue being Democrat.

[edible_eye]

wow. that map made me smile, al. thanx a lot.

really drives the point home - with all the whining and crying one must bear witness to on the news and in the papers, mass media truly represents the minority, or better said displays a liberal / democratic slant.

oh, and just so i honor immortal's request to drop in a bit of humor along with my political statements -

what's black and white and red all over?

a nun being devoured by satanic zombie babies.

[TeapotScar]

That map means nothing about the population of America- the electoral college is a flawed system, and everyone knows it. The red counties *obviously* were less densly populated than the blue ones. The *popular vote* sort of tells the story when it comes to how many democrats vs. republicans there are... and last I checked it was just almost nearly 50-50. Last election, Al Gore (D) won the popular vote, this election Bush did. It's really close.

About the media being too liberal... *sigh* I've addressed this. Rupert Murdoch is the biggest republican *ever*. There's a series of memos sent out by either him or some other head of Fox News, and all of them are saying stuff like "Accentuate x horrible thing about John Kerry in the news today." They coined the term "flip-flopper", and a huge percentage (I'm forgetting exact numbers) of Fox News watchers still believe that we found *actual* weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. They, also, still believe that Iraq was connected to 9/11. It's just... that media is *so* right I can't breathe. Find one article about how Fox News is too liberal and I'll ...I don't know- do something weird. There is an actual documentary about how biased Fox is- "Outfoxed". So don't be silly- the news isn't too liberal. It's just... not.

So don't call democrats a "minority" just yet there, e_e... :wink:

[Granny-like_the_apple]

Originally Posted by TeapotScar

That map means nothing about the population of America- the electoral college is a flawed system, and everyone knows it.

Yeah. And if Kerry had won the electoral college and lost the popular vote, which a lot of pundits thought would happen, there would have been a huge push in Washington to finally get rid of it. But, alas, what do pundits know?

About the media being too liberal... *sigh* I've addressed this. Rupert Murdoch is the biggest republican *ever*. There's a series of memos sent out by either him or some other head of Fox News, and all of them are saying stuff like "Accentuate x horrible thing about John Kerry in the news today." They coined the term "flip-flopper", and a huge percentage (I'm forgetting exact numbers) of Fox News watchers still believe that we found *actual* weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. They, also, still believe that Iraq was connected to 9/11. It's just... that media is *so* right I can't breathe. Find one article about how Fox News is too liberal and I'll ...I don't know- do something weird. There is an actual documentary about how biased Fox is- "Outfoxed". So don't be silly- the news isn't too liberal. It's just... not.

You can't breathe? Get this girl some CPR, quick! Wait, I'll do it myself... muahahaha

But the news is more liberal than conservative. Fox is conservative, yes. Lots of people watch Fox, yes. Lots of people also read the NYT, the WP, watch CBS, ABC, NBC, all of which are liberal. The memos sent out by Murdoch? The same basic thing happened at ABC, except telling people to be harsher on Bush than Kerry. Now, nobody would EVER say Fox is liberal, but Fox is not the entire media. It is one station. One station that started as a counter-point to the "liberal media". "Fair and balanced" was started as a tongue-in-cheek mockery of the rest of the media's self-proclaimed neutrality. I don't know if it's still that way, but my basic point is that overall, the media is liberal.

[edible_eye]

Originally Posted by TeapotScar

That map means nothing about the population of America- the electoral college is a flawed system, and everyone knows it. The red counties *obviously* were less densly populated than the blue ones. The *popular vote* sort of tells the story when it comes to how many democrats vs. republicans there are... and last I checked it was just almost nearly 50-50. Last election, Al Gore (D) won the popular vote, this election Bush did. It's really close.

About the media being too liberal... *sigh* I've addressed this. Rupert Murdoch is the biggest republican *ever*. There's a series of memos sent out by either him or some other head of Fox News, and all of them are saying stuff like "Accentuate x horrible thing about John Kerry in the news today." They coined the term "flip-flopper", and a huge percentage (I'm forgetting exact numbers) of Fox News watchers still believe that we found *actual* weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. They, also, still believe that Iraq was connected to 9/11. It's just... that media is *so* right I can't breathe. Find one article about how Fox News is too liberal and I'll ...I don't know- do something weird. There is an actual documentary about how biased Fox is- "Outfoxed". So don't be silly- the news isn't too liberal. It's just... not.

So don't call democrats a "minority" just yet there, e_e... :wink:

heh.

when the map is overwhelmingly red, the argument now is that it means nothing about the population? that's a good one. (say that with an arnold schwarzennegger accent, please)

whether or not the electoral college is a flawed system, it's the way presidential elections are done. one could argue that grading in schools is a flawed system, and i believe under clinton that exact argument was used to try and soften the way students were judged, but the bottom line was and still is - that's the way it's done.

popular vote, which was the bone of contention in 2000 and continues to be now - FINAL 50.2 - bush / 48.5 - kerry, as reported from rasmussen reports. close, but an even closer look reveals a vote tally of 59,459,765 for bush and 55,949,407 for kerry. that's a lot of people, no matter how you slice it - a difference of 3,510,358. even if the difference was only one vote, though it wouldn't matter since the popular vote really means nothing in terms of solidifying a candidate for presidency.

and yes, you've addressed the issue of fox news being conservative time and again and i've read almost all of the posts you've written. that doesn't discount the other avenues of newsreporting, though - namely, the big 4 - abc, nbc, cbs and cnn. after that, you have msnbc. moving away from the television we have newspapers, including the hew york times, the los angeles times and the boston globe amongst countless others. there's a big divide and a huge imbalance if the conservative side only has fox.

lastly, about democrats being a minority - i caught myself, or tried to, and attributed it more to the media than to the democrats. although, in this election, voter turn-out would point toward the liberal opinion being the minority...

(ducking in case teapot throws something)

[edible_eye]

Originally Posted by Granny-like_the_apple

Yeah. And if Kerry had won the electoral college and lost the popular vote, which a lot of pundits thought would happen, there would have been a huge push in Washington to finally get rid of it. But, alas, what do pundits know?

You can't breathe? Get this girl some CPR, quick! Wait, I'll do it myself... muahahaha

But the news is more liberal than conservative. Fox is conservative, yes. Lots of people watch Fox, yes. Lots of people also read the NYT, the WP, watch CBS, ABC, NBC, all of which are liberal. The memos sent out by Murdoch? The same basic thing happened at ABC, except telling people to be harsher on Bush than Kerry. Now, nobody would EVER say Fox is liberal, but Fox is not the entire media. It is one station. One station that started as a counter-point to the "liberal media". "Fair and balanced" was started as a tongue-in-cheek mockery of the rest of the media's self-proclaimed neutrality. I don't know if it's still that way, but my basic point is that overall, the media is liberal.

i think i'm really starting to enjoy you, granny. never mind your pics, which are, by all male standards, fuckin' blisteringly hot - but i like the way you think.

cheers.

[Granny-like_the_apple]

Originally Posted by edible_eye

i think i'm really starting to enjoy you, granny. never mind your pics, which are, by all male standards, fuckin' blisteringly hot - but i like the way you think.

cheers.

Whoo-hoo, I've been called blisteringly hot! I better mark this moment down for posterity. [Goes and gets a rifle to mark the moment in its sights. Shoots.] [Hey, as I said, I'm an idiot.]


Oh yeah, and, uh, thanks for the thinking comment... :P

[edible_eye]

how come chics always pull out a rifle when i compliment them? am i really that lecherous?

[Granny-like_the_apple]

Originally Posted by edible_eye

how come chics always pull out a rifle when i compliment them? am i really that lecherous?

::twirls lock of blond hair:: lecherous? like, your skin falls off?

:P

[edible_eye]

Originally Posted by Granny-like_the_apple

::twirls lock of blond hair:: lecherous? like, your skin falls off?

:P

big boobs, pretty face, a functional brain and the ability to act like a dumb blonde when the moment calls for it.

that's one, hot granny.

oh, and before i forget - * pussyhound alert *

[CptSternn]

Thats not just an SKS, it's a rare modified Chineese version with too many mods to mention (most of which I have done personally).

I can pick a rats arse off at 250y iron sites and about 600y shooting glass.

Slán

[Disfunction]

Originally Posted by edible_eye

what's black and white and red all over?

Umm... Almost that map that Al had? There's black people.... white people... Asians... Mexican... but black and white suffices... aaaand red for... that thing.


*sings "If only I had a brain"*

[Disfunction]

Originally Posted by edible_eye

when the map is overwhelmingly red, the argument now is that it means nothing about the population? that's a good one. (say that with an arnold schwarzennegger accent, please)

Dere's nussing to eet! *Arnoldese* Eess got nussing to do weeth eet!

[.BatteryPoison.]

It's a dressed up SKS, Sternn. :P

Dis, that little thing is hilarious. I was thinking about posting a picture of me with a glock 17, just cause it actually looks alot like your paper-clip gun from underneath (except alot bigger).

[Granny-like_the_apple]

that's one, hot granny.

Hahahaha. Taken out of context...

[Disfunction]

....it's like making a duct tape wallet, except instead of holding money, it can be used against stupid people to get money.

[CptSternn]

It may be, but put it this way, the men who have the most respect for the ability of that weapon there, are not around to talk about it

Slán

[.BatteryPoison.]

Originally Posted by CptSternn

It may be, but put it this way, the men who have the most respect for the ability of that weapon there, are not around to talk about it

Slán

LOL.

Can't argue with that.

[Empty_Purple_Stars]

I didn't know where to put this, so Imma stick it here.

Karen Hughes is a long time friend of my families.

I have been following her work with Bush over the years.

She just received a new appointment with his administration, and my family and I are very excited for her in this new capacity.

Here's part of the article CNN posted today:

Hughes to spread U.S. message abroad

Monday, March 14, 2005 Posted: 1:38 PM EST (1838 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Declaring the United States "must do better job of engaging the Muslim world," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice introduced former presidential adviser Karen Hughes Monday as the Bush administration's choice for a State Department post designed to change Islamic perceptions about America.

Hughes, pending confirmation by the Senate, would become undersecretary of state for public diplomacy with the rank of ambassador.

"I'm eager to listen and to learn," Hughes said, with Rice standing at her side.

From the White House, President Bush said "spreading the universal principle of human liberty" is key to changing the conditions that spawn terrorism and thus a crucial part of the nation's long-term security strategy.

"This will require an aggressive effort to share and communicate America's fundamental values while respecting the cultures and traditions of other nations," Bush said in a statement. "Karen Hughes has been one of my most trusted and closest advisers and she has the experience, expertise and judgment to lead this critical effort."

Choosing one of his most-trusted aides "signifies my personal commitment to the international diplomacy that is needed," Bush said.

Introducing Hughes, Rice said the United States must do much more to counter the "hateful propaganda" that is so common in the Islamic world.

Rice said Hughes believes strongly that the United States "must mobilize young people around the world to shatter the mistrust of past grievances and to foster a new spirit of tolerance and mutual respect."

Hughes, who for years has had a major voice in crafting President Bush's domestic message, is a former counselor to the president who left the White House in 2002 to move her family back to Texas.

She is also a former Texas television reporter. She has continued to advise the president from her home in Austin. Although not a diplomat by training, Hughes had a hand in several foreign policy initiatives during Bush's first term, including efforts to promote democracy and improve the lives of women and children in Afghanistan.

Hughes and Powell will focus on Bush's plan to spread democracy in the Middle East, an effort that has gained momentum with recent elections in Iraq and the Palestinian territories.

The two nominees are the latest close Bush aides to follow Rice to the State Department. Rice was Bush's White House national security adviser during his first term. She succeeded Colin Powell as the top U.S. diplomat in January.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/....ap/index.html


It's a really cool position with such a nifty sounding title:

Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy !

Sounds impressive.

I am going to call my mom back and see if she was able to get ahold of her to say congratulations.

Thought I'd share.

http://www.vikingmud.org/guilds/necr...art/royo25.jpg

[CptSternn]

From the cover of Rolling Stone, quite possibly the best article they ever wrote. Well worth the long read. I would post it here, but it's quite lengthy.

The Worst President in History

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/pro...ion=6.0.8.1024

George W. Bush's presidency appears headed for colossal historical disgrace. Barring a cataclysmic event on the order of the terrorist attacks of September 11th, after which the public might rally around the White House once again, there seems to be little the administration can do to avoid being ranked on the lowest tier of U.S. presidents. And that may be the best-case scenario. Many historians are now wondering whether Bush, in fact, will be remembered as the very worst president in all of American history.

*snip*

'Nuff said.

[Ben Lahnger]

I didn't know where to put this, so I'm posting it here ... since it mostly concerns President Bush. Below is an excerpt from Stephen Colbert's comments at the recent White House Corrospondent's Dinner.

Watch it. It is brilliant, brutal and amazing. (excerpt below the links)

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http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/04/29.html#a8104


the links on youtube.com:
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/v/lcIRXur61II

Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/v/HN0INDOkFuo

Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/v/rJvar7BKwvQ

or see the full thing here in flash or WMV:
part 1
http://video.freevideoblog.com/video...6CBD83E27F.htm
part 2
http://video.freevideoblog.com/video...2BC77DF696.htm

transcript, more links:
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/4/30/1441/59811

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... Now, I know there's some polls out there saying this man has a 32% approval rating. But guys like us, we don't pay attention to the polls. We know that polls are just a collection of statistics that reflect what people are thinking in "reality." And reality has a well-known liberal bias.

So, Mr. President, pay no attention to the people that say the glass is half full. 32% means the glass -- it's important to set up your jokes properly, sir. Sir pay no attention to the people who say the glass is half empty, because 32% means it's 2/3 empty. There's still some liquid in that glass is my point, but I wouldn't drink it. The last third is usually backwash.

Folks, my point is that I don't believe this is a low point in this presidency.

...

So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't.

I stand by this man. I stand by this man because he stands for things. Not only for things, he stands on things. Things like aircraft carriers and rubble and recently flooded city squares. And that sends a strong message, that no matter what happens to America, she will always rebound with the most powerfully staged photo ops in the world.

Now, there may be an energy crisis. This president has a very forward-thinking energy policy. Why do you think he's down on the ranch cutting that brush all the time? He's trying to create an alternative energy source. By 2008 we will have a mesquite powered car.

...

The greatest thing about this man is he's steady. You know where he stands. He believes the same thing Wednesday, that he believed on Monday, no matter what happened Tuesday. Events can change, this man's beliefs never will.

And as excited as I am to be here with the president, I am appalled to be surrounded by the liberal media that is destroying America, with the exception of Fox News. Fox News gives you both sides of every story, the President's side and the Vice President's side.

But the rest of you, what are you thinking, reporting on N.S.A. wiretapping or secret prisons in Eastern Europe? Those things are secret for a very important reason, they're superdepressing. And if that's your goal, well, misery accomplished.

Over the last five years you people were so good over tax cuts, W.M.D. intelligence, the affect of global warming. We Americans didn't want to know, and you had the courtesy not to try to find out. Those were good times, as far as we knew.

But, listen, let's review the rules. Here's how it works. The President makes decisions, he's the decider. The Press Secretary announces those decisions, and you people of the press type those decisions down. Make, announce, type. Put them through a spell check and go home.

Get to know your family again. Make love to your wife. Write that novel you got kicking around in your head. You know, the one about the intrepid Washington reporter with the courage to stand up to the administration. You know, fiction.

...

Jesse Jackson is here. I had him on the show. Very interesting and challenging interview. You can ask him anything, but he's going to say what he wants at the pace that he wants. It's like boxing a glacier.

Enjoy that metaphor, because your grandchildren will have no idea what a glacier is.

...

Mayor Nagin is here from New Orleans, the chocolate city. Yeah, give it up. Mayor Nagin, I would like to welcome you to Washington, D.C., The chocolate city with a marshmallow center. And a graham cracker crust of corruption. It's a mallomar is what I'm describing, a seasonal cookie.

Joe Wilson is here, the most famous husband since Desi Arnez. And of course he brought along his lovely wife Valerie Plame. Oh, my god! Oh, what have I said. I am sorry, Mr. President, I meant to say he brought along his lovely wife, Joe Wilson's wife. Pat Fitzgerald is not here tonight? Dodged a bullet.

And we can't forget man of the hour, new Press Secretary, Tony Snow. Secret service name, Snow Job. What a hero, took the second toughest job in government, next to, of course, the ambassador to Iraq. Got some big shoes to fill, Tony. Scott McClellan could say nothing like nobody else.

McClellan, eager to retire. Really felt like he needed to spend more time with Andrew Card's children.

Mr. President, I wish you hadn't made the decision so quickly, sir. I was vying for the job. I think I would have made a fabulous press secretary. I have nothing but contempt for these people. I know how to handle these clowns. In fact, sir, I brought along an audition tape and with your indulgence, I'd like to at least give it a shot. So, ladies and gentlemen, my press conference. "


(Note: A video section followed with Colbert sparring with reporters and eventually running away from journalist Helen Thomas. It's included in the Crooks and Liars link above.)

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He'll almost certainly never get invited back, but for my money it was worth it. At least once in recent memory in Washington, DC ... somebody had the temerity to speak the truth. And be damded funny doing it! Watch or read the whole thing ... it is SOOOO worth your time!

[torirex]

in my opinion i believe both presidents are idiots! one is a what do u call people who are to full of themselves? and the other is a moron who doesn't know when to quit a war!!! So are nation i believe is in a down spiral!

[Godslayer Jillian]

I actually found this one to be the only post of hers I didn't understand.

[NachtSorcier]

There is never any point in voting for a Green Party candidate; they always end up with like 13% of the votes.

If I had turned 18 one month sooner, I would have voted for Kerry. I know Kerry wasn't the greatest candidate ever, but he was the best we had.

I thought it was disgusting how Bush used scare tactics to get votes (making people think that Terrorists were hiding behind every trashcan on the street, etc.). I hope the next time the Russians attempt to assassinate him they'll use a fucking grenade that works!