any wannabee goths?! - Page 2

cradle · 10-09-2006, 12:25 PM

Hey Robin....You confused me. D:

Delkaetre · 10-09-2006, 03:07 PM

... maybe he can be the board's token Normal? All goths have a token Normal associate of some form or another.

RobinGreenwood · 10-09-2006, 03:11 PM

Sorry. Actually, reading back, I confused myself.

Mostly I was trying to say, don't look for wannabes, because he'd probably find irritating posers. So I was suggesting he should go to the Introductions forum and describe everything about himself, and he'll probably meet people he likes.

bleedingheart344 · 10-09-2006, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chelseagirl

Maybe he is trying to imply that, unlike the goth wannabes he is speaking of, he actually does cut himself and is not just lying about it to be cool. Totally uncool either way.

I agree. Even though he may be implying this, it is still quite ignorant to parade something like that around.

Solaris Noir · 10-11-2006, 09:09 AM

Become"... goth... Don't you need a surgical procedure for that?

Honestly bud, stand where you stand... don't insult a long laid culture through obtuse adoption without fully consuming the nature of the beast. You're like a family rich alabaster suburbanite laying claim to a hard knock ghetto past because you shopped for an hour at Twinstown and could afford a pair of SeanJohns and a cubic zirconium grille.

Go bang another Nordic; I guarantee the only difference will be the color of her panties.

OnixxFilth · 10-11-2006, 01:22 PM

OMG, I love your post, Solaris! So apt!

Engulfed_in_darkness · 10-14-2006, 05:26 PM

I believe the question really is, WHAT, Is the essense of, GOTH?

Splintered · 10-14-2006, 06:26 PM

I believe the question is even more, "Who has the right to define what Goth is?".

And I honestly believe that not even Peter Murphy (Murphey, Murphi, whatever), or Andrew Eldritch, or Voltaire (The current dude, not the philospher), has the capability to do so. (If you want argue, "Ohmyfuckinggod, [Insert Random Name Here], like, started Goth!", realize that there is probably someone out there who could argue that he's not, or could argue that the majority overrules him, or some other lovely incident like that.)

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Don't insult a long laid culture through obtuse adoption without fully consuming the nature of the beast.

Why? If I only feel like acting "Half-Goth", per se, what is inherently wrong with that? Also, why should I perticularily feel that your culture is not worthy of being insulted, much less when it inhibits my ability to do something I enjoy?

Godslayer Jillian · 10-14-2006, 06:37 PM

Well, you could say you want to be "Half-Bohemian".
But yet, you cannot be so.

Splintered · 10-14-2006, 07:04 PM

What context are we using Bohemian in? As coming from the Geographic area, or as in being into different things? Because I am quite sure you can be half of both.

wanabeegothguy · 10-14-2006, 10:54 PM

Damn i like you chelseagirl ... something like that ... music and sex are some of my top priorities in life ;-)

I should have asked differently... just looking for people like me - that's all...

the fact that internet is world wide, gave me the impression that the supply of contact possibilies where huge... maybe i was wrong...

DarkHeartedDemoness · 10-15-2006, 07:05 AM

The supply is huge. However, if you're not the type that's capable of making friends, it won't matter how big the supply is, love.

Now, were you planning on taking the advice in this thread and posting an introduction so that we can decide if you don't suck, or did you just want to disregard that advice and prove that you do suck?

Delicate_Torture · 10-15-2006, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Splintered

Everytime I've seen it used towards a culture, it's been like:
"I practice Wiccanism" or "I practice Christianity", or "I practice Nazism".

Wicca and Christianity are religions, not cultures. Nazism is a political ideology, also not a culture.

Goth is a culture (or a sub-culture).

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Originally Posted by wanabeegothguy

i'm not goth! that's for sure... but i like to shop in the big old “lifestyle store”... trying to convince myself that i put together my own unique me ;-). I guess I just seek people like me… I know they most be out there!

Being goth doesn't mean that some of us also don't shop 'in the big old lifestyle store' as you put it. Just as bondage pants and grumpiness do not a gothic maketh, neither are all goths the same. Not only are their different types of goth sub-sets within the whole goth sub-culture, there are different PEOPLE within those sub-sets. And that is the crux of the matter. All of these 'goths' you are talking about (and to) are actually all different PEOPLE. And because of this we are, in a way (and as embarrased as I might be to admit it) like you. It is true, Goths are people too.

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Originally Posted by wanabeegothguy

To me goth is mostly music and sex!

Congratulations. This is the most short-sighted and unimpressive thing I have seen posted on a board in a while. And that is saying something because ingnorant shits post on forums a LOT.

I'm impressed. You and George W. Bush.

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Originally Posted by wanabeegothguy

I do understand if some people thinks it underminds the Goth-Subcultures authenticity if to many wannabees are around… don’t hope any one will take it personal!?

I think that the problem with having 'wannabees' around is that they come up with shit like "goth is mostly music and sex." I don't mind spending time with 'wannabees' if they are polite and accepting of me AS A PERSON. I can't abide the 'wannabees' who assume to know me because I am goth and therefore am nothing more than the sum of my black clothes and taste in music. It is like assuming that an African American is 'a gangsta from da 'hood' just because they are black.

Wanker.

badteccy · 10-15-2006, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PoupeeCelestia

Nah unedifying, that´s not it. Maybe there are more posers/quantum goths here than which we thought , after all this community it´s getting famous, and it´s easy to find in search engines.

And...this guy could be just a troll. Aren´t you wannabegoth?.

But well, if what you want is to become "oh so goth" then go check this and then come back. (XD)
http://www.the-night.net/silly/steps.htm

Heh, I thought "Melena" sounded really pretty until I looked up what it meant...ew!

DarkHeartedDemoness · 10-15-2006, 08:39 AM

I just realized something.

I'm feeling unfulfilled.

I want to be a wannabee goth.

Delicate_Torture · 10-15-2006, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkHeartedDemoness

I want to be a wannabee goth.

So.. You're a wannabeewannabee?

DarkHeartedDemoness · 10-15-2006, 09:52 AM

Yes, and I'm also a gothic bumblebee.

Delicate_Torture · 10-15-2006, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkHeartedDemoness

Yes, and I'm also a gothic bumblebee.

So... you are black with black stripes? You make blood instead of honey and scabs instead of honeycomb? Instead of buzzing around happily, you moan around snarkily?

Splintered · 10-15-2006, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Delicate_Torture

Wicca and Christianity are religions, not cultures. Nazism is a political ideology, also not a culture.

Goth is a culture (or a sub-culture).

Actually, you can argue that Nazism has a culture based around the political ideology. You can also argue that Wiccanism and Christianity both have a culture based around them as well.

For instance, Wicca and Christianity both supposedly have set standards your supposed to follow (Depending on your version of it). So does Nazism (Supposedly. Like Christianity and Wiccanism, there can be some variance on what is actually called for.) Then, granted Goth has some set standards that you follow (Be it in a musical sense, or a fashion sense, a combonation of the two, or some political theory, or the acceptance of other political theories, etc.) it can be practiced, like Wiccanism, Christianity, and Nazism. So, while it can be argued they are different, and I am quite sure that they are, it doesn't mean you can't use the words "To Practice", on Goth./endrant

Delicate_Torture · 10-15-2006, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Splintered

Actually, you can argue that Nazism has a culture based around the political ideology. You can also argue that Wiccanism and Christianity both have a culture based around them as well.

For instance, Wicca and Christianity both supposedly have set standards your supposed to follow (Depending on your version of it). So does Nazism (Supposedly. Like Christianity and Wiccanism, there can be some variance on what is actually called for.) Then, granted Goth has some set standards that you follow (Be it in a musical sense, or a fashion sense, a combonation of the two, or some political theory, or the acceptance of other political theories, etc.) it can be practiced, like Wiccanism, Christianity, and Nazism. So, while it can be argued they are different, and I am quite sure that they are, it doesn't mean you can't use the words "To Practice", on Goth./endrant

I'm not saying that you can't use the word 'practice' in reference to goth. It was a correct usage of the word in both grammar and context.

I'm also not saying that there aren't cultures built around Wicca, Christianity, Nazism and various other things.. but those things in and of themselves are religions and a political philosophy respectively. They are not, in themselves, cultures. A culture isn't just the philosophy that it is based on, but also encompasses the auxillary ideas and behaviours stemming from that belief system.

It is also a yoghurt, but that's not important right now.

Splintered · 10-15-2006, 10:20 AM

Yogurt? I <3 Yogurt. Well. Not perticularily over anything. But it is still tastey.

Now, as much as you can argue that Goth isn't a religion or a political philosphy, you can much less argue that it is not inherently a philosophy, or that there is not some core philosophy behind it.

Delicate_Torture · 10-15-2006, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Splintered

Yogurt? I <3 Yogurt. Well. Not perticularily over anything. But it is still tastey.

Now, as much as you can argue that Goth isn't a religion or a political philosphy, you can much less argue that it is not inherently a philosophy, or that there is not some core philosophy behind it.

Ok.. it is nearly 4am here, so that might be the cause of it... but that is a very convoluted sentence and I can't follow it. Could you explain what you mean for me please?

Oh.. the yoghurt part I got. I heart Teh Yog too.

Splintered · 10-15-2006, 11:12 AM

Alright, so let's take Punk as an example. Behind punk, there are some core philosphies, not singularily limited to the music, or the style of fashion. It's arguably the same with Goth. So, while it isn't a religion, nor is it a political philosphy in itself, it can be argued it is a philosophy, or has core philosophies behind it.

Delicate_Torture · 10-15-2006, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Splintered

Alright, so let's take Punk as an example. Behind punk, there are some core philosphies, not singularily limited to the music, or the style of fashion. It's arguably the same with Goth. So, while it isn't a religion, nor is it a political philosphy in itself, it can be argued it is a philosophy, or has core philosophies behind it.

I totally agree. Goth (and punk, metalheads, emo, [add subculture here]) all have a general philosophy behind them and are more than the music/dress/[add behaviour here] that stem from those philosophies.. a culture is a philosophy + behaviour stemming from said philosophy. And that is why I'm saying what I'm saying about Wicca/Christianity/Nazism.

Wicca/Christianity/Nazism/etc are the philosphies behind the related cultures. Goth/Punk/Emo/etc are the cultures that stem from certain philosophies.

Did I get that down in coherent English? My apologies if not. Gods, I'm tired.

DarkHeartedDemoness · 10-15-2006, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Delicate_Torture

So... you are black with black stripes? You make blood instead of honey and scabs instead of honeycomb? Instead of buzzing around happily, you moan around snarkily?

Actually, I look more like this: WannaBee