Reverse racism (please read this) - Page 3

Corpsey · 07-11-2007, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by scarwall

I didn’t mean that i was against new Zealand or anything, believe me the best time i had was in new Zealand, i learned how to ride a dirt bike there and its an awesome place and the people were great, its just i was right there after the whole 9/11 thing and a lot of people were paranoid and everything, i even got treated badly by the English teachers in the school, and by the nob who killed innocent people i was meaning every nob who actually killed people by blowing himself up, i was really surprised by how people treat you in the airport and the comments you hear in the streets and the way i dressed didn’t really help things.

im sorry if i offended you i really didn’t mean too, i guess i should have expected things to turn that way, it was just some seriously misguided people who did these things but everybody in new Zealand was great and i would love to go there again

Ah, I get you now... You must be of Arabic descent, I assume? I can definately get what you mean now.

Yep, some people freaked here. I remember quite a few people getting freaked out about Arabic people coming to New Zealand, but it was a heck of a lot of over-reaction. We're New Zealand for goodness sake. They only hate Russel Crowe.

No worries mate, you didn't offend me, I was just greatly confused as to what you meant by racism, it's not a biggie.

Indeed, people who like to go kill un-armed people are utter fuckheads. Put them in an unarmed battle one-on-one and we will see who is the braver.

biohazard · 07-11-2007, 05:30 PM

Racism will always exist. Some humans cannot get along with certain races, although we are all the same race, the human race. I am somewhat racist against blonds(but not ones that have dyed their hair a diffrent color), but I respect them. I just have a harder time getting along with them.

Underwater Ophelia · 07-11-2007, 05:34 PM

And blondes are a race in what way...? That's discrimination, not racism.

Rae Ven Rae · 07-11-2007, 07:41 PM

Yep, I see it and completely agree -- I am married to a white man and our baby looks white --right now everyone thinks she is adorable, but I hope I can give her the self esteem she needs not to care what people say to her when she gets older -- to love who she is and BOTH sides of her heritage white and black and not to be afraid to claim her white father when around black friends.

When I say this to black folks they act like I am a turncoat --they call me white washed and an Oreo-- yep --it exists...

Unfortunate too, that fellow African Americans can't see how we isolate our selves and hold ourselves back.

People kill themselves to partake of the very things that most blacks sneer at and call "white", thereby it is evil to real blacks.

Stupid...

And why do black people have to call anything good white. I recall being told I sound like a white girl? Why? Because I chose to speak the English language correctly? Why is that white? How come it isn't just talking properly...

And why would white be intrinsically evil? Why can't we applaud people for opening up and trying to understand one another!

Don't get me started!!!

MollyMac · 07-11-2007, 10:52 PM

They call it a name that is different from them to create a line of distinction, a hierarchy. Every person has to fit in, but they also have to be an individual within that set parameter. It's an exclusivity that in inherent to all groups; and that exclusivity s something that is going to fade or else overly-amplify as more people look outside the "accepted" parameters for love.

As races meld both in love/relationships as well as simple social equity, many of those barriers and mores will change for the better and more inclusive. Alternately, you will see the smaller perentage of dissent and opposition.

It's odd. Arbitrary number alert:

Let's say 90% of people are coll with race and teh social change/blending. 10% are not.

That 10%'s dissent has a greater impact because they make up in action what they lack in numbers.

Think KKK, Skins and the like...

Rae Ven Rae · 07-11-2007, 11:04 PM

Yes -- I do think things are easier. My neice and nephew are mixed --young --16 and 12 --I ask the if they are ever picked on for being mixed and they say no. If they are beng truthful, there seems to be a growing acceptance -- but some ignorant assholes still exist out there giving people who just wanna get along grief...

MollyMac · 07-11-2007, 11:16 PM

There will always be ignorant assholes. My nephew Logan is mixed race, his brother is white... and their new "uncle" (their mom's boyfriend) is a tad racist and makes Logan cover his curly hair and darker skin. Logan even said one day that he did not want to see his other family because he hates black people and isn't black.

Yeah, I am going to shake my sister.

Rae Ven Rae · 07-11-2007, 11:46 PM

I say we take all the haters, on both sides of the fence, the Aryan nations idiots and like, Nation of Islam folks, put them on an Island and let them duke it out so the rest of us can just go forward...

CptSternn · 07-12-2007, 12:52 AM

Racism on the level most are talking about here only happens in the states these days. Throughout Europe and Australia you don't see it like you do stateside.

I'm not saying its not there - there are many examples of it, if you look for it, but you don't see it on the scale of what you see in America.

Now, before people say I'm just blasting America again, I'd like to point out only America is the only country that has institutionalised racism and made it part of the infrastructure there, which is why I am bringing it up.

I mean, first off, how many minorities have we in congress? How many non-whites are currently in office in D.C. that are members of the republican party? None. The number of women can also be counted on one hand, and those numbers only slightly increase for democrats and independents.

How many minority persons are CEO's of Fortune 500 companies? How many are women? Once again, yer talking about numbers you can count on one hand.

It doesn't stop with the government, which to date excludes large swathes of the populace by electing only white, upper-middle class, protestants who favour certain policies and attend certain universities, also that have skewed numbers when you look at their admittance records.

It goes even deeper than that - laws that are inherently racist, like those involving crack and powder cocaine. The powder form of cocaine can produce abundantly more crack coacaine, however, there are laws on the book to force mandatory imprisonment for persons caught possessing crack, where as large amounts of powder cocaine have no mandatory sentencing. Why? They argue that crack is more addictive. That being said someone with pure powder can make twice as much crack, however, statistics show 80% of crack arrests are non-whites, and those arrested with powder cocaine rank 70% white. No one has ever petitioned the government to fix this - the rich people arrested with powder have no incentive to screw themselves and the non-whites arrested with crack have no funding or legal outlet to pursue the matter, so like many other laws they become yet another racist statement on their society.

As long as people ignore the plight of their fellow countrymen there will always be improprieties that lead directly to the root of racism. The thing is, in a capitalist society, the idea of the end justifies the means and everyone out for themselves leads society to become broken, racist, bigoted, and worse.

I don't think Americans are inherently racist, or mean to be, they just want to do whats right by their own kind and kin, however if that means stepping on your neighbor who just happens to be a different race, thats acceptable as long as your only crime is that of omission.

Of course, thats one of the main reasons I support socialism, the idea that everyone tries to better their community rather than just themselves and their own family. This leads to better laws, government, and relations with your fellow countrymen - no matter what they look like or believe in.

MollyMac · 07-12-2007, 05:55 AM

Socialism and Racism are not mutually exclusive. Not everyone that sympathizes with their fellow man will see someone of color as their fellow man.

"statistics show 80% of crack arrests are non-whites, and those arrested with powder cocaine rank 70% white..." That has as much to do with class and income and urban locale as it does with race. Are the 20% of crack arrests by white persons gentlemen farmers in Virginia?

Rae Ven Rae · 07-12-2007, 07:41 AM

Well --when you look at shows like COPS all you see is them harrassing poor criminals, Black, poor Whites, and Hispanic, when we all know crimes of a much higher level occur every day. Just look at those Enron bastards -- millions were taken -- MILLIONS! They all essentially get a slap on the wrist, whereas Chico gets ten year for stealing a hundred dollars worth of merchandise ...

And don;t get me started on how everyone was boo hooing for Martha Stewart, when we know most of her supporters would have had no sympathy if the perp was non famous, poor, or a minority...

I think it's classism as well as racism...

BLEED REBELION!!! · 07-12-2007, 08:12 AM

I completely agree with Rae about the classism

Rae Ven Rae · 07-12-2007, 08:24 AM

Thanks BR -- I think so much of our social ills are a complex hybrid of things and can't be pinned down by any one concept -- its an unfortunate mixture of prejudices, racism, sexism, classism and every other ism I can think of...

BLEED REBELION!!! · 07-12-2007, 08:28 AM

As I stated before when I posted this thread I was using the term reverse racism incorrectly. Or in the wrong context. I should of just said discrimination against people with mixed blood………..
Sorry for the confusion.

What race is everyone here anyways?

I’m Black, Hawaiian, Puerto Rican, Portuguese (cape verdian) , Polish and I believe I’m part native American but it’s a very small percentage and I don’t know what tribe so I usually omit the Native American part …

My dads mom is from a small island of the coast of Africa (Cape Verdi) Cape Verdi was colonized by the Portuguese. So my grandmother is CapeVerdian and Portuguese. But since Cape Verdian is a type of African I just say black instead of explaining it.

Usually when people ask what I am I say Hawaiian Back and Puerto Rican………

I think the place I’m most comfortable with my race and appearance is in Hawaii. Most Locals in Hawaii are mixed with many things because of all the the slaves that were brought from the Philippines china etc etc. Its very common in Hawaii to be mixed with 6 things or more. No one really cares what you are as long as your cool and respectful of everybody else.
I have allot of Hawaiian pride I just wish we were an independent nation.

Rae Ven Rae · 07-12-2007, 08:36 AM

I am classified as black, but I have Cherokee Indian and German ancestry. My hubby is Irish and German -- my daughter is so called mixed ( don't you hate that idea --interracial marriage -- what am I marrying -- a giraffe?) Same race -- human...lol...

I feel at home with white people, primarily because they are not forcing me to define myself based on my race, although I have met a few types who felt I was kewl to hang out with ...in secret.

I also feel at home with fellow open minded African Americans, who accept me and won't tell me how I should think, dress, vote, act, etc.,

Underwater Ophelia · 07-12-2007, 08:47 AM

Why does the term "mixed" bother you so much? It's mixed race. I don't think it's a big deal.

BLEED REBELION!!! · 07-12-2007, 09:10 AM

I have some white friends mostly because of music and style tastes. They are generally cool people and I don’t care what race my friends are although allot of my friends are immigrants. My friends get annoyed at me because I always point out when they say something that may be ignorant or unknowingly racist.
I feel comfortable about different things among different races. I don’t “talk white” usually. I can change my vernacular and code switch rather easily. I must admit when Im at home or with my friends I talk “ghetto“, I use allot of slang and ghetto terms and sometimes I have to translate for people who come from other places. I don’t feel ashamed of talking “ghetto” I feel like it is a language to its self it expresses where I live and what I’ve seen. I think vernacular is very important to a culture. Or as some people call it “Ebonics” . In Hawaii we speak something called pidgin, because most people have lost the real Hawaiian language. Pidgin is a mix of Hawaiian English Philippino Samoan and a few other things….if you speak English you can understand Pidgin if the person speaking to you turns their accent down. Pidgin is much like what Jamaicans speak……….

I can talk very proper and sound like I came from a well of family when I need to…like at a job interview…
I don’t like that I have to change how I talk but I will do what have to do. On G.net I use proper English as to be understood by everyone .

Im dating a white girl right now and She is very open minded and accepting. I’ve never seen her do anything slightly racist. Baltimore city is mostly black and so most of the white kids that live around here speak the same way the black kids do etc……
I feel like race isn’t just your skin color but its your culture and how you were raised etc…….( I hope not to offend anyone). Most of the white friends I have are “white trash” I don’t much like the term but that’s what people call it. I hang out in their neighbor hood which s called Hampden. Most of the teenagers there are either wigga’s or Punks/Goths/etc. They often times get screwed just as much as black people simply for being poor…..
I think thre is a huge difference between being “white trash”/ being from the “white ghetto” and being a middle class or upper class white person…. So the lines of race of black and white are not just on the outside there are internal differences. I’m not saying differences you were automatically born with but differences simply because of the live you have lived.
I know some white people that a essentially black on the inside (this might need explaining).
They were raised with us and they have dealt with allot of the same things. I feel like being black in a way isn’t just your skin color but it is an experience……. My friend mike has blonde hair and blue eyes but I still consider him to be black in experience(does this make any sense to any of you).

This is kinda hard to explaine so if i need to clarify something let me know..

PinstripesAndPithHelmets · 07-12-2007, 09:23 AM

Sternn, you talk a good game. But seriously, what percentage of the UK's population do minorities make up? I don't know for a fact, but I'd wager it's proportionally much smaller than that of the U.S. Why is this? It's because during the era of decolonization laws were enacted barring former colonial citizens (colored ones, primarily) from emigrating to Great Britain.

Britain had slaves in its colonies; the United States had slaves at home. These two systems breed entirely different mentalities, which cannot effectively be compared.

I say this because it seems that you're implying that other countries don't have the same race problems that the U.S. does as a result of some inherent failing in American citizens. I'll admit that other countries don't have the same problems, but that's because they evolved under a different set of circumstances, not because their denizens have some unimpeachable sense of morality.

In short, slavery at home breeds a different kind of racism than slavery abroad. European ideas of racism are different, but no less intense, than American. Social Darwinism didn't spring up solely on this side of the pond.

MollyMac · 07-12-2007, 09:41 AM

What I could not stand is the aftermath of the hurricane Katrina, when it was all about race and that so many black people were left behind "per capita".

No. Per capita, the US is approximately 11% Black (depending in your survey). New Orleans was 67% Black Per Capita from the 2003 US Census bureau.

About 70% of those left behind were black. A little high, but it is enough to indicate that there were other factors than race.. life class/wealth... or just willingness... But that 70% is being compared to the US average, not the New Orleans. Gee. Someone has an agenda.

You can skew numbers for anything.

But racism is everywhere, it's not a US invention. We just have a more advanced vocabulary for it.

And for the record, I am mainly Scots-Irish and Welsh, but also Blackfoot, Chickasaw and Choctaw. I don't do percentages.

Rae Ven Rae · 07-12-2007, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia

Why does the term "mixed" bother you so much? It's mixed race. I don't think it's a big deal.

I don't like the term mixed because it almost seems to imply two non humans had an offspring, it like a donkey and a horse to make a mule... but we are both human so how are we mixed?

It's a pet peeve but no big deal -- I know we have to use descriptors, I just personally find it offensive...

Rae Ven Rae · 07-12-2007, 09:48 AM

As for cultural colloquillisms, I agree -- I don't talk Nietzche when I am around my more ghetto fabulous or bubba friends, but I feel more comfortable in a situation where I don't have to put up guards and such...

And as my hubby will tell yah, the "Black" in me comes out when I get mad...

I do the chicken head thang and everythin'...

BLEED REBELION!!! · 07-12-2007, 10:01 AM

LoL...........

When Im angry I get ghettoer......

BLEED REBELION!!! · 07-12-2007, 10:05 AM

Put up guards and such??

Can you explain this more i didnt understand..

Rae Ven Rae · 07-12-2007, 10:19 AM

well, sometimes I feel I can't be truly me in certain situations. I recall one time slipping up and using the word "elated" during a conversation with, I'd say, more project types. They gave me a hard stare and one of them said "Why you gotta be using all them hard words.."

So I find that I have to kinda be careful so I don't appear pompous or what not, which I don't mean to do -- just because I know "big words" don't mean shit in the scheme of things. I know that -- I just don't want other people to think that is how I feel, which they often do despite your efforts otherwise...

I want people to know I can accept them any way they come as long as they are kind to me...I just wish people would do the same for me...

BLEED REBELION!!! · 07-12-2007, 10:35 AM

Allot of people never learned "big words" nor there meaning.
I use whatever words i want where I want. If someone doesnt know the word then I tell them the meaning spread the knoledge..
In black areas often times the school suck and there are not many chances to get ahead....I figure If i know the words i might as well share them and if some one doesnt like them they can kis my ass.....
It still sounds strang to when I use "ebonics" and "book words" in the same sentence but somehow it works..

I hang with people from the ghetto who are going places, (generaly book smarts are notas important as being a nice person.)
My buddy daniel is a jamaican imagrant and shes going to morgan college to be an Aero space engineer......She got a schlarship....alot of people try to shoot her down because they feel that they wouldnt be able to get where she's going and often times its true....Its hard as hell to make something of your self if you come from places like this........The state owes baltimore city schools 1.8 billion dollars we have a major deficit. i've been to schools where they have more security guards then teachers......

They dont have money for new books but they have money to intstall cameras...as if we are criminals and need to be watched every second.....