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10-18-2007, 10:46 AM
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A. Ok, I don't. I'm giving enough credit to emotion to know they're all completely different.
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Sure. Debating this is pointless though.
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B. No, I didn't claim a 13 year old is too young to worry about love. I said you probably won't hate it when people say "you're too young to worry about love" when you're older. There's a difference.
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You said that you "realized" that the saying "You're too young to worry about love" is true.
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I hated it too, and now I realize it's completely true.
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10-18-2007, 11:10 AM
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Sure. Debating this is pointless though.
You said that you "realized" that the saying "You're too young to worry about love" is true.
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Ah, ok. I forgot I had said that.
Well, what of it? First of all, EVERYONE is too young to really worry about love, especially kids. Kids should be more focused on their education than romantic relationships, which time and time again are proven to be immature, or in worst case (though sadly, not uncommon) scenarios detrimental to the kid/teens health or place in life.
I never said kids can't experience real love, but I think it's extremely uncommon for a person so young to understand what love is, because they're just not there developmentally.
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10-18-2007, 11:14 AM
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What kids should be doing, or people of any age, really, is rarely what they do.
Besides, from my experience, love doesn't really give you a choice, other than ignoring it or not ignoring it.
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I never said kids can't experience real love, but I think it's extremely uncommon for a person so young to understand what love is, because they're just not there developmentally.
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1. I never said you did 
2. Emotionally or intellectually?
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10-18-2007, 11:24 AM
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What kids should be doing, or people of any age, really, is rarely what they do.
Besides, from my experience, love doesn't really give you a choice, other than ignoring it or not ignoring it.
1. I never said you did
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1. If that's not what you were upset/angry/arguing about, then what was it?
2. Both.
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10-18-2007, 12:27 PM
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1. If that's not what you were upset/angry/arguing about, then what was it?
2. Both.
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1. That you said (agreed with/implied) that one shouldn't have to worry about love in a young age.
2. Please elaborate.
Also, you only addressed half my post.
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10-18-2007, 12:36 PM
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1. That you said (agreed with/implied) that one shouldn't have to worry about love in a young age.
2. Please elaborate.
Also, you only addressed half my post.
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Um...they shouldn't have to worry about it.
And...the mind isn't really matured at least until about the 20s. That doesn't mean people younger can't experience love, but real love at young ages is rare.
What in your other post needed addressing?
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10-18-2007, 12:54 PM
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Um...they shouldn't have to worry about it.
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Why? Also see below.
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What in your other post needed addressing?
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What kids should be doing, or people of any age, really, is rarely what they do.
Besides, from my experience, love doesn't really give you a choice, other than ignoring it or not ignoring it.
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10-18-2007, 01:01 PM
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Sometimes it's painfully obvious that you're 13.
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Right now it's painfully obvious that you're terribly generalising in nature. I'm thirteen, he's thirteen. Believe it or not, thirteen year old's don't all conform to the same thought patterns. Sometimes, we think things that aren't even the same as other thirteen year olds thoughts! Weird to think that my occipital lobe isn't owned by the force of nature that makes thirteen year olds mindless automatons that have no individual thought.
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10-18-2007, 01:08 PM
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Ah, JCC, I was hoping you'd make an appearance =)
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10-18-2007, 01:49 PM
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Right now it's painfully obvious that you're terribly generalising in nature. I'm thirteen, he's thirteen. Believe it or not, thirteen year old's don't all conform to the same thought patterns. Sometimes, we think things that aren't even the same as other thirteen year olds thoughts! Weird to think that my occipital lobe isn't owned by the force of nature that makes thirteen year olds mindless automatons that have no individual thought.
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You're atypical, he isn't.
Thirteen year olds ARE usually immature like that.
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10-18-2007, 01:50 PM
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Why? Also see below.
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Honestly, I still don't get what I'm addressing here. I've said all I have to say on this issue. Maybe rephrase what you want me to address as a question?
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10-18-2007, 02:16 PM
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Ophelia. I'm only a year older than him. I believe that "kids" mature at different rates and that you can't generalize when it comes to growth patterns. At thirteen I was conversing intelligently with "grown-ups" and had been in a steady relationship. At 14 I'm in another steady relationship and there's no way that I, or many of my peers, could be described as immature. Love can be found at any age. Just because he's a thirteen year old boy doesn't make him incapable of higher thought. Sure, JCC may be an exception when it comes to his understanding of the world around him, but that doesn't mean that Metabolik isn't just as mature. I think that it is pointless to argue on this topic as it is difficult for those of an older age to comprehend the minds of the younger.
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At some point, you need to look yourself in the mirror and realize that what other people did to you does not define you as a person. You and your actions define who you are as a person. It's up to you to be a good person, in spite of all the evil you've faced. In fact, it should be because of the evil you see that it's good you do. Be the change you want in the world. Next time someone tells me that they're an asshole because they've had a bad life, I'm stabbing them in the eye with a spork.
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10-18-2007, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by raggedyanne
Ophelia. I'm only a year older than him. I believe that "kids" mature at different rates and that you can't generalize when it comes to growth patterns. At thirteen I was conversing intelligently with "grown-ups" and had been in a steady relationship. At 14 I'm in another steady relationship and there's no way that I, or many of my peers, could be described as immature. Love can be found at any age. Just because he's a thirteen year old boy doesn't make him incapable of higher thought. Sure, JCC may be an exception when it comes to his understanding of the world around him, but that doesn't mean that Metabolik isn't just as mature. I think that it is pointless to argue on this topic as it is difficult for those of an older age to comprehend the minds of the younger.
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Uh, it's not difficult for me to comprehend the mind of someone younger. I'm only 18. I know that teenagers, especially younger ones, are immature 99% of the time. Yes, that includes me. I'm not saying I was so mature when I was younger.
I never said he wasn't incapable of higher thought, so I don't know where you got that.
Lastly, yes, there are tons of ways you could be described as immature, just like all other teenagers.
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10-18-2007, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by raggedyanne
At thirteen I was conversing intelligently with "grown-ups" and had been in a steady relationship. At 14 I'm in another steady relationship and there's no way that I, or many of my peers, could be described as immature.
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Do you work to support yourself? Do you pay rent, cable, electricity, car payments, and/or groceries off of your own salary? I really think that a person's maturity level remains untested until they are forced to be completely independent and exist in the real world. I thought I was really fucking mature when I first moved out, until my impulsiveness led to me mismanaging my money and I developed anemia (and cavities) from having such a poor diet. Then I felt like an ass for all my talks about "independence" and "self sufficiency." I never realized how accustomed I was to being taken care of, and that resultantly I didn't actually know how to take care of myself.
It's easy to look really mature when you are reasonably intelligent, and your actual maturity isn't being tested by anything.
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10-18-2007, 04:41 PM
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Actually, I agree with you on that. I'm just saying that I was mature for my age. Who knows what will happen when they kick me out.
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At some point, you need to look yourself in the mirror and realize that what other people did to you does not define you as a person. You and your actions define who you are as a person. It's up to you to be a good person, in spite of all the evil you've faced. In fact, it should be because of the evil you see that it's good you do. Be the change you want in the world. Next time someone tells me that they're an asshole because they've had a bad life, I'm stabbing them in the eye with a spork.
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