What's the point?

[Bella Sophia]

Why do people call bands "goth" if that's clearly what they don't want to be remembered as? If that is the case, why is it an existing genre? Also, if a band wants to be in that genre, does that make the band posers? I am so confused - and I am quite disappointed...

[Tha Duckman]

"Goth" music is music that people who like to call themselves "Goth" listen to. So if you like to call yrself "Goth" and listen to Scooter, then you make Scooter "Goth".

[Bella Sophia]

Well, I guess that's right... but the artists aren't taken into consideration.

[Stormtrooper of Death]

*facepalm*

This thread=epic fail.

[Bella Sophia]

Originally Posted by Stormtrooper of Death

*facepalm*

This thread=epic fail.

Why do you keep wanting to hurt me?

[Tha Duckman]

[Hangs head and cries into hands].............................

[Stormtrooper of Death]

Hurt you? When? Bloody hell woman, you whine too bloody much! Get over it, there is far too much in life to worry about the little shit!

[Bella Sophia]

Originally Posted by Stormtrooper of Death

Hurt you? When? Bloody hell woman, you whine too bloody much! Get over it, there is far too much in life to worry about the little shit!

I told you not to talk to me anyway! And yes, HURTing me!

[Stormtrooper of Death]

Oh bollocks, get over it!

[Tha Duckman]

Sorry, Bella, but I gotta agree. At the end of the day this crud just doesn't matter.

[Bella Sophia]

Originally Posted by Stormtrooper of Death

Oh bollocks, get over it!

It's only been a day... stop yelling at me...
Can you please just leave me alone. After that... it's all I ask...

[Bella Sophia]

Originally Posted by Tha Duckman

Sorry, Bella, but I gotta agree. At the end of the day this crud just doesn't matter.

I see then...

[Stormtrooper of Death]

Whatever, bloody relax!

[Green.Lady]

Yeah, I'm going to have to really, really agree with Stormtrooper and Duckman on this one. You need to just STOP making new threads, for the love of God(dess). There is a time when one just needs to quit whining and realize that this is AN INTERNET FORUM.

Sorry if that sounded horrible, but it needed to be said.

[Bella Sophia]

Originally Posted by Green.Lady

Yeah, I'm going to have to really, really agree with Stormtrooper and Duckman on this one. You need to just STOP making new threads, for the love of God(dess). There is a time when one just needs to quit whining and realize that this is AN INTERNET FORUM.

Sorry if that sounded horrible, but it needed to be said.

Whining about what? All I did was ask a question about the genre.

[Noumi]

Originally Posted by Bella Sophia

Also, if a band wants to be in that genre, does that make the band posers? (

A band is called poser when they claim to be goth but they're just sheap comercial "musicians", that are just looking for 17 year old whores's atention.

[TopHaggardDoll]

If a band plays music that sounds like a particular genre people will say it's this or that. Goth bands just so happen to make music that suspiciously sounds like Goth...

All this stuff just is, man. Poor artists...getting called Goth...with all of us buying their records and going to their shows giving them our money...poor, poor Goth bands. !

I don't think you should really feel sorry for them...I think it's actually abit shitty of them to downplay their fans.

I don't get why you posted this...

[viscus]

Because there are objective...yes, OBJECTIVE...criteria for being a Goth band.

Originally Posted by allmusic.com

Frequently misunderstood in its aesthetics and misapplied as a term, goth rock is an offshoot of post-punk that existed primarily during the early to mid-'80s. Its reputation as the darkest and gloomiest form of underground rock is largely deserved, though today that reputation stems more from the visual theatricality of its bands and black-clad followers. Sonically, goth rock took the cold synthesizers and processed guitars of post-punk and used them to construct foreboding, sorrowful, often epic soundscapes. Early on, its lyrics were usually introspective and intensely personal, but its poetic sensibilities soon led to a taste for literary romanticism, morbidity, religious symbolism, and/or supernatural mysticism. Goth rock was generally not a critically acclaimed style, given its penchant for florid poetry, relentlessly mournful dirges, and melodramatic excess. However, it spawned a devoted, still-thriving subculture that kept its aesthetics alive long after the music's initial heyday had passed. The godfathers of goth-rock were British post-punkers Joy Division, whose bleak, remote, obsessively introspective music and lyrics laid the initial foundation for goth. But for all intents and purposes, the true birth of goth rock was "Bela Lugosi's Dead," the 1979 debut single by Bauhaus. Already chilly post-punk outfits like the Cure and Siouxsie & the Banshees became full-on goth bands around the same time, and their heavy, menacing makeup and dark clothes became an important part of their fans' expression. As goth rock's popularity spread among a certain segment of sensitive, alienated youth (first in the U.K., where most of its bands came from, then in the U.S.), its fashion sense grew more and more outlandish, and the original sound evolved somewhat. The Cure, Siouxsie & the Banshees, and the Mission UK incorporated more pop and alternative elements in their music, while the Sisters of Mercy, Fields of the Nephilim, and the American band Christian Death took a heavier, sometimes metal-influenced approach. By the end of the '80s, the original goth-rock movement had ceased to exist, but the music mutated into new forms and continued to influence many of rock's darker subgenres. During the '90s, the goth sound began to cross-pollinate with industrial music, producing hybrids that appealed to both sides, as well as the darkwave subgenre (which also incorporated '80s synth-pop and dream-pop). The latter half of the '90s also saw goth rock's influence cropping up all over heavy metal; a new breed of progressive black metal bands drew heavily from goth's sound and style, while some alternative metal bands also borrowed from goth rock's visual imagery (including Marilyn Manson, who -- despite countless news reports to the contrary -- is not a goth-rock artist).

[MOUSEBLOOD]

I can remember back in the "olden times", it was always interesting to read how the newspaper or the local music rag would describe a record or show I had just done. There were only a few "accepted" genres, no "goth", no "deathrock"... they had to be very creative and descriptive in their reviews. Eventually the tag "gothic" and "deathrock" started getting thrown around to describe this group or that group of bands. I remember having no idea what it really meant, but I liked the sound of it, so I started using it on flyers... "gothic terror on acid", "the godfathers of gothic terror"...

Most of the bands were too diverse musically so the genre was used to group together bands that shared a common theme and feel. Back then some really crazy bands got called "goth" or "punk".

Flash forward to the late 80's and beyond and you have literally hundreds of genres, sub-genres, sub-sub-genres... all with very specific "rules" that must be followed in order to be included. Bands actually began to form specifically with the intent of meeting these rules so they could be included in the genre. I don't know if you want to call it being a poser, but any band that forms and believes they need to follow a bunch of "rules" are certainly stupid. I can definitely see why a band, especially a band from the "olden times" would want to just claim they are a rock band or a punk band and would want to just ignore all the genre bullsh!t.

[Tha Duckman]

Music is split into two groups, good and bad.

[MOUSEBLOOD]

Originally Posted by Tha Duckman

Music is split into two groups, good and bad.

Music is split into two groups, what you like and what you don't like.

[Tha Duckman]

Which is what I said, because I like good music and everyone else like bad music. You're forgetting that my word is law.

[Altemese]

people, please relax. there is no need to get furious over this post. this is a place where we can come together and not be judged. so what if she posted this and you think it is pointless. everyone has the right to voice their opinion on anything. know lets play nice

[Tha Duckman]

I am sexy.

[Altemese]

Originally Posted by Tha Duckman

I am sexy.

I bet U R.