Hip hop vs. Goth rock

[Mir]

Of those, the tremolo pedal sounds the most interesting really. That and the delay really. Still downloading that track. Fuck!

The Danelectro tremolo is real good. It's basically a standard tremolo, nothing new, but it's damn cheap. The DD400 can give you some real glitchy sounds if you fiddle with the knobs just right.

[Mir]

Danelectro Tuna Melt? It's about £20! Can't wait for my next pay check! Ha!

They're ALL cheap! Like I said, they're standard circuits, and Danelectro make a killing off people who just want cheap effects. There's nothing wrong with them, it's just that they're cheap and look like ass so people assume they're crap. Of course, you can circuit bend the shit out of a lot of the Dan pedals.

[Bete Noire]

Hmm what does circuit bending allow you to do in terms of altering the sound etc etc?

I'll record a quick sample for you. Gimme a sec'........

[Bete Noire]

Cheers man. And could you give me a couple of tips on how I could mess with my Danelectro delay pedal?


EDIT: I'm loving Danced to Death. It's brilliant. Completely different to anything I normally listen to. You have rather a lot of talent. Although your new name suggests you know this already :P

Yeah, I Am pretty damn Great.

circuit bending is damn simple. You want to get yrself a stereo splitter cable, which is basically a cable with two male ends that meet to form a female plug. You plug both male ends into the input and output of the pedal, which will set it self oscillating. BE CAREFUL WITH A DELAY PEDAL!! It'll give a REALLY loud high pitched tone which could blow yr speakers / amp, so keep the volume low.

So once you've plugged everything in, just open up the pedal, lick your finger and poke the circuit. You won't get zapped or whatever, so don't worry. More often than not you'll find a point that makes the sound change, so get piece of wire, find the bit that made the noise, and remember where it is. This is the point of origin, and usually it'll be the focus point for every other bend. Then just go around the circuit board with the other end of the wire finding more points.

Too many people wire each bend up independently, which is stupid. Just solder one wire to the point of origin and one to every other bend. Solder a wire to a leg of every switch you have to activate the bends, and solder the the wires coming from the bend points to the other legs of the the switches, then just solder the free wire from the first leg to the point of origin wire. It'll let you switch the bends on and off. You can also wire a feedback switch, which will set the pedal into self oscillating mode without a stereo splitter. Just wire up the input and output jacks like you did with the bends. Easy as that!

This is my bent stereo phaser. 19 bends in total, but there's a whole load more that I didn't wire up because I was running out of room. It makes stuff sound like this. I only used a few of the bends, though, and tweaked the knobs a little.

[Mr. Ed]

People who don't like current hip-hop have likely never listened to Blackalicious.

That said, why try to make a competition between hip-hop and goth?

Go find an album by Blowfly. AWESOME!

[JCC]

Originally Posted by I Am Great.

Go find an album by Blowfly. AWESOME!

Hey Duckman, do you like Dalek? That's your kind of Hip-Hop methinks, Industrial synth like Planet Rock taken to the extreme layered over an intimidating mastery of flow. It's so bassy it's unreal.

Dälek are amazing. Only they could get away with their sound. Fucking brilliant stuff.

[manequin]

That's not fair. I don't go around comparing the intelect of a still born baby to that of steven hawkins now do I? Stop trying to make hip hop feel bad. IT KNOWS IT SUCKS!

[BLEED REBELION!!!]

WOW manequin you are an ass-hat... go die...


Hip hop doesnt have intellect? Obviusly you have not been exposed to anything.

Now you could say Hip-ho isnt your style. You could sya you dont like how it sounds. W/e. But to say it doesnt have intellect as a massive generalization (sp?) is just fucking stupid. Please refrain from making yourself look like a fuck head.

[BLEED REBELION!!!]

I listen to "Hip-hop" and I listen to "Rock", as el as a whole crap load of other stuff.


Awesome Hip-Hop artists/groups (I'm including RnB in this list):
Digable Planets
The Pharcyde
Poor Righteous Teachers
The roots
Immortal technique
Erykah Badu
Brand nubian
A tribe called quest
Talib kweli (or however you spell his name)
Common sense
Black Sheep
Outkast
Lauryn Hill
Public enemy

And the list goes onnnn and onnn and oooonnnnn.
This list only included I guess "normal" hip hop or what easily falls under the name.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by manequin

That's not fair. I don't go around comparing the intelect of a still born baby to that of steven hawkins now do I? Stop trying to make hip hop feel bad. IT KNOWS IT SUCKS!

Hip Hop is fantastic and I find that the people who disagree are the people who've only encountered G-Unit videos on MTV. I honestly couldn't care less if you make stupid comments about Hip Hop, you're missing out on one of the most fantastic genres of music there is.

Also, many hip hop artists are very intelligent.

[BLEED REBELION!!!]

*gives JCC a high5!!!!

[badteccy]

"I'm kinda more into brutal, violent music, whatever it is called, hip hop, rock, whatever, I like dark and chaotic music."

Anyone that I have met who has seriously described music as being "brutal", is usually an ass.

But anyway, the new Atmosphere video for "Should Known" has a sorta goth chick in it and the dude sings about "goth nailpolish".

[Godslayer Jillian]

Did someone mention it in here? I'm trying to remember where I learned this jewel of counter-cultural history. As I can't remember where I learned it, sadly I cannot give you a creditable source, but I am dead certain it is factual:
Early hip hop artists called themselves punks. And not just punks as in the word 'delinquent'. They were actually part of the emerging punk subculture; back when punk used to mean anti-establishment - as Crass puts it "a way of saying no when we'd always say yep. But now that peole, even so-called 'alternative people' care more about the style than the substance, where punk is a way to describe teen shit from MTV, hardcore is about bleeding throats rather than left-wing politics, and hip-hop is about mindless materialism with a repetitive beat, it was inevitable that people will find nothing in common between hip-hop and alternative rock, and stupidly have loyal exclusivity to one corpse or the other.

[manequin]

Originally Posted by BLEED REBELION!!!

WOW manequin you are an ass-hat... go die...


Hip hop doesnt have intellect? Obviusly you have not been exposed to anything.

Now you could say Hip-ho isnt your style. You could sya you dont like how it sounds. W/e. But to say it doesnt have intellect as a massive generalization (sp?) is just fucking stupid. Please refrain from making yourself look like a fuck head.

I never said it had no intellect. I was making a comparison. I realise that hip hop obviously does appeal to some. I can also see why it would appeal. There are some hip hop songs I can honestly say I enjoy. But my point was the two just arn't comparable. I appologise if my earlier post did not make this clear.

[JCC]

Hip Hop's not dead, Hip Hop is brewing again. The underground artists are releasing and releasing and every bit of output is better than the one that came before it. 50 Cent, Lil Wayne, these people are to Hip Hop what Avril Lavigne is to Punk and H.I.M. are to Goth.

Goth Rock and Hip Hop are most certainly comparable, manequin. You can't run around with your opinions naming certain things null and void just because you don't like them, that's asinine. I prefer Hip Hop to Goth music. Infinitely more, I'd say.

[manequin]

Originally Posted by JCC

Hip Hop's not dead, Hip Hop is brewing again. The underground artists are releasing and releasing and every bit of output is better than the one that came before it. 50 Cent, Lil Wayne, these people are to Hip Hop what Avril Lavigne is to Punk and H.I.M. are to Goth.

Goth Rock and Hip Hop are most certainly comparable, manequin. You can't run around with your opinions naming certain things null and void just because you don't like them, that's asinine. I prefer Hip Hop to Goth music. Infinitely more, I'd say.

I ment as in they are VERY different. So each should be veiwed on its own message

[Your Darkest Secret]

I like a variety of stuff... as well as goth music I like Sean Paul and Rihanna, and I also love the horrorcore style hip-hop like Insane Clown Posse, Twiztid and Blaze Ya Dead Homie...

[Underwater Ophelia]

What do you like about ICP?

[KontanKarite]

Originally Posted by I Am Great.

Yeah, I Am pretty damn Great.

circuit bending is damn simple. You want to get yrself a stereo splitter cable, which is basically a cable with two male ends that meet to form a female plug. You plug both male ends into the input and output of the pedal, which will set it self oscillating. BE CAREFUL WITH A DELAY PEDAL!! It'll give a REALLY loud high pitched tone which could blow yr speakers / amp, so keep the volume low.

So once you've plugged everything in, just open up the pedal, lick your finger and poke the circuit. You won't get zapped or whatever, so don't worry. More often than not you'll find a point that makes the sound change, so get piece of wire, find the bit that made the noise, and remember where it is. This is the point of origin, and usually it'll be the focus point for every other bend. Then just go around the circuit board with the other end of the wire finding more points.

Too many people wire each bend up independently, which is stupid. Just solder one wire to the point of origin and one to every other bend. Solder a wire to a leg of every switch you have to activate the bends, and solder the the wires coming from the bend points to the other legs of the the switches, then just solder the free wire from the first leg to the point of origin wire. It'll let you switch the bends on and off. You can also wire a feedback switch, which will set the pedal into self oscillating mode without a stereo splitter. Just wire up the input and output jacks like you did with the bends. Easy as that!

This is my bent stereo phaser. 19 bends in total, but there's a whole load more that I didn't wire up because I was running out of room. It makes stuff sound like this. I only used a few of the bends, though, and tweaked the knobs a little.

That was totally awesome from a technique standpoint. Amazing. Plus the guitar was great. Makes me wish I had more than Fruity Loops to make stuff with.