Please......

[December]

Damnit now I have got to break out the old language dictionary so that I know what the hell you said. Damnit do you know how long this is gunna take? I knew I shouldn't have been born in America and maybe I would know more than one language.

[flemco]

Originally Posted by OutOfPlace

Darkness cannot drive out darkness;
only light can do that.

I prefer to think that only darkness can get rid of that infernal, annoying "light" stuff.

Hate cannot drive out hate;
only love can do that

Ever read about how Hitler was beaten?

PEACE :wink:

I'd rather not.

[bexxle]

Originally Posted by OutOfPlace

Darkness cannot drive out darkness;
only light can do that.
Hate cannot drive out hate;
only love can do that

PEACE :wink:

I'm not a psycologist or even trying to be one, but does it bother you that your brighter side is also hostle? :?

Just balance it out. Help when you should. Play when it's good. Sleep when you have nothing to do and balance out survival needs and thriving needs.

I dislike people refering to recognizing you must survive to live, as a dark side.

[.BatteryPoison.]

Well, after being as vague as humanly possible, writting about a specific topic in bleak metaphors, and discussing psychology in terms of "The Force", let me just jump back on topic just for a moment here.

Having taken a number of psychology courses, I'm going to clarify real quick that there is a difference between killing yourself due to the loss of a loved one and killing yourself due to anhedonia. Though the two can be related in terms of emotional distress, the actual reason/cause is differently motivated behind each.

The few and rare cases of depression that end in (and are the reason for) suicide are basically the extreme instances of clinical depression. The people who kill themselves due to this kind of depression generally don't have financial problems or extreme emotional stress weighing them down from the outside. Alot of times they're middle aged males happily married with children who have good job security. However, due to a chemical imbalance, it's absolutely impossible for these people to be happy alot of times. Every day is gloomy, cold, and hopelessly pessimistic for these individuals. This isn't your standard case of "the blues" where you just walk out of the doctor's office with a prescription of zoloft and a smile.

Considering true clinical depression isn't caused by "the breakup" or most trivial (sometimes genuinely tragic) events, it's generally pretty easy to isolate instances where the person has committed suicide as a form of escape from the depression itself. In these cases, it's the anhedonia that's tearing them apart, not the death of a loved one, or because of a traumatic experience.

[OutOfPlace]

Originally Posted by MrMaelstrom

Pues que si no fuera el amor, yo no estaria tan mal comigo mismo. Si no fuera el amor, yo nunca teria depressiones. Si no fuera el amor, tambien nada existiria en mi vida, pero que esso es otro assunto. No seas tan optimista Alejandra, que me deprimes.

Well, i really disagree, you HAVE to be optimist in order to survive, love can be the best thing ever if you learn to stop demanding as a right what you can ask for as a favor... for me, to fear love is to fear life, and those who fear life are already three parts dead.... at least that's how i see it, and this whole "optimism".... it's been working great!! i really beleive that it's better to burn out than fade away!!!

PEACE :wink:

[WickedLee]

Not all depressed people turn to suicide. Even if a vast majority of them do, theres still the minority that use a different approach when it comes to dealing with depression.

[bexxle]

Yep, depression is also caused by sexual and physical abuse. In quite a few cases it leads to attacking people out of fear. Some of the things I've said about stress depression work the same. The idea is to get out of any conflict mental or physical.

Just like twins establishing the pretty one and the intelligent one to form a boundary of what they do and who they talk to, establishing who you are, not as a figure or toy for some else but personallity, intellect and capabilities is vidal. Also take sometime to endulge to balance work. Work and party are both valid. Creating some ruts in your daily routine, also good. I go to a convience store and get lemonade refills. It's good.

[YamiTad]

Where was I when this topic started?

Wait....I was at a dance... Anyways, I'll say my part.

Originally Posted by bexxle

Yep, depression is also caused by sexual and physical abuse. In quite a few cases it leads to attacking people out of fear.

Very true. I speak from personal experience.

[bexxle]

Dragons are wise, strong, courageous and have a far greater physical advantage then others. However, the trait that dragons truely value humility.

[YamiTad]

Uh.... :shock:

*stares blankly at what bex said*

:?

[bexxle]

Think about it and you'll understand.

[.BatteryPoison.]

That has to be the worst metaphor on this thread to date, maybe even the board...

[bexxle]

First clue for YamiTad:

Perhaps wisedom, strength, courage and having a far greater physical advantage over others are all characteristics dragons have naturally.

No points for .BatteryPoison. The main point of the excercise is to let your mind go and become more in touch with the subconscious.

[MrMaelstrom]

Originally Posted by bexxle

The main point of the excercise is to let your mind go and become more in touch with the subconscious.

Take me to your dealer!!

[YamiTad]

Ah....I get it now Bex.

I'm slow, in case no one knew. :P

*hums-'A happy go lucky chap...-*

I love that, Mael. 8)

[bexxle]

Whatever. The next clue is no dragons are born with humility it's a learned characteristic. It may or may not have anything to do with the conversation.

I don't have a dealer. Stop you from asking questions for no reason.

[AntaresScorpius]

Has anyone researched depression?
Have any of you really been depressed or know someone depressed?
Do you fuckin' know what depressed people do when no one is around?

Real depression is a chemical inbalance in the brain, caused by hormone fluctuation, extreme stress, or a hereditary deficiency of a chemical that allows people to deal with everyday ups and downs.

Real depression lasts for years, not a week, not a month, not one year, but mostly for the rest of that persons life.

They see death as an end to their pain. The pain of disappointment, tragedies, loss, and living in bad conditions. It's also the end to the pain of seeing a beautiful sky lit up by the setting sun, or the moment two people experience a few seconds of deep understanding, or the ultimate orgasm. They feel that love is just as painful as hate.

Real depressed people will go through life waiting for that time when they can die without the interference of others. Anyone announcing their decision to commit suicide is looking for attention.

When no one is around they practice destroying themselves: self-mutilation, pills and alcohol to numb the senses, crying until they absolutely cannot shed another tear, yelling with rage and throwing items or their bodies around just to feel the pain.

These people with clinical depression, can still hold down a job, have a family, and function in life. However, they radically change moods, or stay terminally moody. They have days when they show excellent performance at whatever task they embark on, and days when walking to the restroom isn't worth it.

As far as men and woman that commit suicide, women do not choose lame ways to die, men do!
A woman puts thought into it. She makes it a piece of art. Woman are most likely to choose painful deaths, while men choose to end their lives quickly with as little pain as possible! Woman are more likely to slit their wrists or throats, to hang themselves, poison themselves, drown, step in front of a moving vehicle, or stab themselves. Most suicidal attempts by men are with a loaded gun (quick, easy, and they never felt a thing).

[Galetrial]

There really isn't in this study saying they want to prevent suicide, just collect information on what it is and how it works from the emotional perspective. Personally, I think it would be nice if they came up with something besides pushing drugs on to everyone.
-bexxle

Therapy and coping skills classes aren't putting drugs on anyone. Counceling also is an alternative way from pills. [/quote]

[bexxle]

I’ve never been really correctly diagnosed before so I don’t trust psychologists anymore. One time it was a depression, where I felt sick all the time and started hallucinating a little bit. Went to the doctor and found out it was disease and that if I hadn’t come in for the full physical, I would have bloated three times my size and that would have been only after surgery. A couple more years, just be dead now.

Problem is now, might be a little bi-polar, but there is enough stress in my life, it could be stress too. I even failed a test the other day and feeling more bouncy and chipper. Manic-Depression is pretty common though.

[ghoulish]

Sylvia Plath and Anne Sexton used to sit around talking about ways to do themselves in. They considered themselves part of a tribe of potential suicides, as something a part from others. I wonder it there isn't something to that. Kurt Vonnegut said he used to think about suicide as a good way of getting out of cocktail parties. Not as a matter of being depressed, but just as a way of dealing with the overhwleming tasks of being human. I think suicides are different than dpressives.

[secretboy]

Originally Posted by AntaresScorpius

Has anyone researched depression?
Have any of you really been depressed or know someone depressed?
Do you fuckin' know what depressed people do when no one is around?

Excuse me if I sound fairly harsh here.

There are those of us who have researched depression. There are those of us reading this who have suffered from depression, and some of us have had attempted suicide themselves, witnessed attempts by people we love or have loved dearly, or know people we know who have actually killed themselves. We've just for the most part kept quiet, and at the very least have not decided to speak for all people who are depressed, realizing that there's a lot of people out there with different experiences.

The difference being is perhaps, just perhaps, those of us who have had those experiences do not have any desire to glamourize or fetishize depression. It's a very easy thing to do, and there are a lot of people out there who are hell-bent on doing it.

That being said, let me snip out your description of what 'real depressed people do' - it's very on target.

As far as men and woman that commit suicide, women do not choose lame ways to die, men do!
A woman puts thought into it. She makes it a piece of art. Woman are most likely to choose painful deaths, while men choose to end their lives quickly with as little pain as possible! Woman are more likely to slit their wrists or throats, to hang themselves, poison themselves, drown, step in front of a moving vehicle, or stab themselves. Most suicidal attempts by men are with a loaded gun (quick, easy, and they never felt a thing).

Wrong. Well, mostly wrong. The facts are here

Men are four more times likely to commit suicide than women.

Women are roughly more likely to attempt to commit suicide and fail.

It's very possible that one out of every four men put thought into their suicide and 'make it into a work of art', like you say women do.

According to the facts, women are more likely than men to use other forms of suicide other than gunshots to take their own lives...but gunshot death is still the most common form of death by suicide for women. (37%) But like I said, when there are FOUR TIMES AS MANY men killing themselves, it's likely that impulse problems in men that women don't have could account for 3/4ths of the men who die.

Recent studies have shown that suicide is linked to problems with impulse control correlated with depression - that people who are depressed have suicidal thoughts but do not 'seriously' act out at these behaviors. If you are feeling suicidal and have seriously made attempts on your own life there might be physically something wrong with you.

Romanticising depression like this post is a part of the problem, not the solution. This is fucking detestible. If you are seriously depressed you should talk to someone. You don't necessarily have to take Zoloft or whatever if you don't want to. But talk to someone.

Fix the fucking problem so you can get on with your life. If you want a romantic disease, go get tuburculosis.

[Nike]

Originally Posted by secretboy

If you want a romantic disease, go get tuburculosis.

I can't imagine anything that could be more romantic

[Daz]

thank you secretboy

[bexxle]

I said women attempt more with less of a sucess rate.

You never read Stories about Suicide have you. I posted a few of my attempts there. This new depression is different than before. Probably because my life is not going well. Probably if I did it now it would be like a before having a chance to completely snap thing. Luckily my journal is back and there are you nice people to write mean things to, instead of, breaking stuff or losing it at school.

[bloody_tears]

to AntaresScorpius yes i have researched it, ive had, it and 3 of my friends have been diagonesed with it. My one friend called me just last nigth saying that he couldnt take life anymore and that he made a list of all his things and who they would go to. he said that he wrote me a letter saying good bye that he was sorry. So yes i have known pepple with it, ive expericanced it , and ive reserched it. And you wanna know what scared me the most, where the research says "people who say they are going to are more likely to" that scares me the most. I love my firend and if he was to go thro with it i dont know what i would do. Ive also said it and that scares me also. Have i been treated for depression? nope but you can thank the lovely northen michigan doctors for that one.