Drugs

[d0ct0r manhattan]

Your opinion means alot to me. Thank you, really.

[Corpus_Macabre]

Originally Posted by d0ct0r manhattan

Your opinion means alot to me. Thank you, really.

You're welcome.

[d0ct0r manhattan]

So, because I got caught, I'm an idiot? The logic there astounds me. So, if a white collar crime is committed, like, oh, say... embezzlement of funds from a major corporation, it's perfectly fine, but if they get caught... FUCK 'EM! They're an idiot! LOL!

Perfect reasoning, and I now understand the meaning of life. Thank you, kind sir.

[dead_dreams]

Sometimes, I worry about the intelligence of people

[LaBelleDameSansMerci]

I think I'm one of those people who needs something to be addicted to. Right now it's art.
I don't see anything wrong with using drugs recreationally as long as one doesn't let it take over one's life. Natural drugs are better, too, I think.

The interesting thing about heroin is that addiction to it seems to be somewhat dependent on environment. Many Vietnam vets who used it in Vietnam came back and didn't start up or go through withdrawal because they weren't in an oppressively not humid jungle anymore, or with their use buddies. People who use it generally in one spot and then suddenly use it in a different place will OD on their normal amount because they're not used to the location. It's all very odd.

Don't forget though, cobra venom is also natural, and it's sure as fuck not safe.

[Corpus_Macabre]

Originally Posted by d0ct0r manhattan

So, because I got caught, I'm an idiot? The logic there astounds me. So, if a white collar crime is committed, like, oh, say... embezzlement of funds from a major corporation, it's perfectly fine, but if they get caught... FUCK 'EM! They're an idiot! LOL!

Perfect reasoning, and I now understand the meaning of life. Thank you, kind sir.

You came to your own conclusion that I was calling you a moron for getting caught when I clearly stated that you are a moron for using drugs so irresponsibly and endangering the lives of others. Driving while heavily influenced on many drugs? And what, you got away with less because you are younger?

I guess the American criminal justice system is weaker than I imagined...

[d0ct0r manhattan]

I wasn't aware that pot was considered many drugs. Don't get it wrong, the pills were only in my car, not my body. And just who was I endangering? It was a country road with no houses and very little traffic, ever.

And, no, I got away with less because money buys freedom.

[Corpus_Macabre]

Originally Posted by d0ct0r manhattan

I wasn't aware that pot was considered many drugs. Don't get it wrong, the pills were only in my car, not my body. And just who was I endangering? It was a country road with no houses and very little traffic, ever.

And, no, I got away with less because money buys freedom.

Like I said, the American "justice" system is weak.

You were still driving a metal/aluminium-incased mobile object that can go up to extraordinary speeds whilst in a state of little or no control. Doing drugs should and yes I mean should be done in a safe environment for both society and the individual. The observation on your arrogant recall of the situation shows that you care not for either of those.

But, as I said earlier, kudos for "remaining sober". Whatever you consider that to be...

[LaBelleDameSansMerci]

Originally Posted by d0ct0r manhattan

And, no, I got away with less because money buys freedom.

That's *so* much better. The rich can do whatever the fuck they want. I can see the reasoning behind younger people getting more lenient sentences, but... guh. I hate the idea of being able to pay a fine *instead* of getting a real sentence.

[d0ct0r manhattan]

I'm sorry? Just being honest. My car got seized by the state for a couple of weeks, and I had to get a lawyer to avoid jail time. In the end, the other people in the car all got charged with things, so the half ounce wasn't solely on me. It amounted to a simple possession, basically. And the other 3 lesser charges. Although 2 of the people in my car did have outstanding warrants for failures to appear and grand theft auto, apparently.

Also, "remaining sober" to me is just that. I haven't touched a single drug since that night I was arrested, and I plan to keep it that way. Drugs aren't worth the trouble they ultimately end up causing. All together, the amount I had to pay the lawyer for 5 months of representing me, and the close to $900 dollars I had to pay in fines and probation fees and whatnot, it's totaled up to around $3000 or slightly more.

[Joker_in_the_Pack]

Originally Posted by MollyMac

Hey, anyone in any extreme is going to end up a hypocritical asshole eventually, just wait.

Even PETA abuses and exploits animals.

EDIT-

I get what you are saying, I am just uncertain if I lump alcohol in with teh rest... I don't, but only because it is not illegal. I have no idea, suddenly, how I feel about that.

Why should legality affect a mind-altering substance? Then again, chocolate and turkey also alter chemistry... where is the line? What is necessity and what is superfluous?

Exactly. It's hard to make a definite statement without exceptions, because life is not as rigid as that. I think the main reason alcohol is not hated in society as much is simply because we are so used to it.

[Sodaspes]

Originally Posted by Joker_in_the_Pack

Exactly. It's hard to make a definite statement without exceptions, because life is not as rigid as that. I think the main reason alcohol is not hated in society as much is simply because we are so used to it.

A good way to use drugs is when your starting your own cult and you want to manipulate the minds of your followers like Charles Manson did with LSD.

[zombiewhore]

-Hey, rat poison is legal, dude.


Do you even know hoe stupid it is? You think you're skins all rubberey when it isn't, and then when you wake up your face is covered in welts from stretching your own skin out.

[Corpus_Macabre]

Originally Posted by zombiewhore

-Hey, rat poison is legal, dude.


Do you even know hoe stupid it is? You think you're skins all rubberey when it isn't, and then when you wake up your face is covered in welts from stretching your own skin out.

....From taking rat poison?

Not all drugs "freak people out". Is this just your personal experience?

[Joker_in_the_Pack]

Originally Posted by Sodaspes

A good way to use drugs is when your starting your own cult and you want to manipulate the minds of your followers like Charles Manson did with LSD.

You should be strangled in front of your loved ones.

[Sodaspes]

Originally Posted by Joker_in_the_Pack

You should be strangled in front of your loved ones.

oh yea. www.brianthompson.com

[Apathy's_Child]

Originally Posted by MollyMac

None of the things you mentioned is a chemical alteration of your body's natural processes with definitive negative side effects. try again

Unnecessary, when we look at your original argument:

Originally Posted by MollyMac

What the fuck ever. Drugs are weakness........

do something useful instead

Which was addressed in my subsequent post. Since you never posited chemical alteration as a reason for the weakness of the user, complaining that I didn't address it in my response to you is pretty weak.

Nice twisting, though, and ignoring of everything you yourself (much) later went on to admit is highly relevant, like the point about alcohol.

Originally Posted by Steppenwolf

Drugs from the streets are safe?
They are mixed with other things that are poison for the human body , how can they be safe?

The fact that people mix drugs with poisonous substances does not make the drugs themselves any more dangerous than they would have been without it. Putting cyanide in tea does not mean the tea itself will kill you. Know thy dealer and don't buy drugs from strangers.

[Slap Your Love]

Originally Posted by Delkaetre

Slap Your Love, as I type everyone in the room other than myself is feeling the effects of marijuana. Three of them are also feeling the effects of nitrous oxide, and two of psilocybin mushrooms.
They are not weak and they are not dependant, as I know they function just as well without drugs- I've known these people a long while and have seen them in 'dry' periods as well as periods of much heavier use. They use drugs recreationally because they enjoy them.

However. I have seen people hooked on some very unpleasant things, and I don't like seeing what it does to them. Alcoholism is worse than any other addiction in the effects it has on body and temperament, except for addictions to heroin and crack cocaine.

The dependency, the drug used, and the level and type of use all affect the experience. I have no problem with my friends using drugs, particularly since in some cases marijuana is a more effective management technique for ongoing physical pain than the prescribed medications. My problem is with the use to excess, and this is the same as my reaction to eating disorders (overeating, undereating, purging) or any other self-harming behaviour.

Relying on them for that sense of happiness or pleasure is weak.

[Slap Your Love]

Originally Posted by Joker_in_the_Pack

Fuck you, you militantly straight-edge ass-clown. Simply because you don't feel you can take drugs without becoming dependent on them doesn't mean other people are so fucking weak. I've smoked weed a ton of times, and guess what asshole, I'm not dependent in the slightest. I smoke out when I have the desire to do so, the time to do so, the means to do so, and the money to burn. Just because you take drugs doesn't mean you're automatically a fucking junkie.

Do you know how fucking stupid that sounds? You're saying you shouldn't do drugs because a conservatively minded and arbitrarily chosen government forbids them based on misinformation and misconceptions. You're almost as bad as the OP.

Militant until the day I die or until I grow tired of beating the fuck out of drug users. Drugs are weak, you are weak and a return fuck you.

[LaBelleDameSansMerci]

Originally Posted by Slap Your Love

Militant until the day I die or until I grow tired of beating the fuck out of drug users. Drugs are weak, you are weak and a return fuck you.

Drugs are inanimate objects. The only way in which a drug can be weak is in the strength of its effects.

[Slap Your Love]

Originally Posted by LaBelleDameSansMerci

Drugs are inanimate objects. The only way in which a drug can be weak is in the strength of its effects.

Are you kidding me? Obviously that was not the intention of the sentence. Drugs are for the weak. It's not even an argument for me. I don't care what anyone says. If you do drugs you want them for some reason: pleasure, happiness, feelings, ect. That's weak to depend on a substance for those feelings.

[LaBelleDameSansMerci]

A substance rather than what?
Is it really, once you get down to it, any worse than feeling pleasure from looking at a favourite piece of art, or eating a particularly good meal? Sitting on a fabulous couch?
We could all live in grey boxes with hard wooden chairs and eat protein-and-nutrient shakes, but what would be the point?
If you strip the illegality and possible addiction away from it, and just look at the using of substances not produced within the body to feel good, it's not much different from an orgasmic shawarma. People will even snub you after a shawarma because you have garlic breath.

[Joker_in_the_Pack]

Originally Posted by Slap Your Love

Militant until the day I die or until I grow tired of beating the fuck out of drug users. Drugs are weak, you are weak and a return fuck you.

You have no idea how stupid you sound. Tell me, have you tried every single drug in the world? If you haven't, then don't try to tell others what they are like.

[Slap Your Love]

Originally Posted by Joker_in_the_Pack

You have no idea how stupid you sound. Tell me, have you tried every single drug in the world? If you haven't, then don't try to tell others what they are like.

Just as you sound stupid to me. I've tried enough a long time ago. The end.

[LaBelleDameSansMerci]

Don't you think that others might have a different - better - experience with them than you did? Someone who pukes from eating bad meat is going to be wary of it from then on, but someone who has never had such an experience will eat it without trepidation.