 |
|
 |
| Politics "Under democracy, one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule -and both commonly succeed, and are right."
-H.L. Menken |
10-20-2008, 07:49 PM
|
#1
|
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 1,021
|
Why can't we question obama?
Is it me or has obama got a pass on tough ?'s.
I mean Tony rezko, acorn voter fraud, problems sorting through nefarious donations to his campaign... Continued involvement with Ayers.. Now's a good time to disclose double standards.
If you wouldn't tolerate it in the other candidate, why would you tolerate it in yours?
|
|
|
|
10-20-2008, 07:50 PM
|
#2
|
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 1,021
|
Oh and don't forget some of those critiquing Bush on his alcholism, I mean whats a little crack usin huh?
|
|
|
|
|
10-20-2008, 08:11 PM
|
#3
|
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: El Paso, Texas/ Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua
Posts: 9,203
|
Ask away, we never put him on a pedestal.
__________________
"No theory, no ready-made system, no book that has ever been written will save the world.
I cleave to no system. I am a true seeker."
-Mikhail Bakunin
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by George Carlin
People who say they don’t care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don’t care what people think.
|
|
|
|
|
|
10-20-2008, 08:26 PM
|
#4
|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Namibia
Posts: 2,526
|
I don't have a problem with questioning him. It's just that more than 50 percent of the questions I hear about him are bullshit ("Was Obama born in Kenya?", "Is Obama the Antichrist?", "Is Obama an Arab?", "Does Obama lurve Hitler?", "Is Obama Muslim?", "Is Obama a Commie?").
Often a simple, realistic question leads to the bullshit. I only occasionally hear complete shit about McCain (such as the idea that he plagiarized part of his War writings).
|
|
|
|
|
10-20-2008, 08:39 PM
|
#5
|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Namibia
Posts: 2,526
|
|
|
|
|
|
10-20-2008, 08:42 PM
|
#6
|
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: northeast us
Posts: 887
|
Obama addressed the Ayers 'connection' during his last debate with McCain.
If the most questionable things about Obama are people he used to know or work with, well, great.
I wasn't really planning on voting or Ayers or Rezko. Was there something about Obama you wanted to address?
|
|
|
|
|
10-21-2008, 03:59 AM
|
#7
|
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 4,587
|
Ayers rocks. Not only does he rock, he is currently a professor at a highly accredited University.
To say he is a 'terrorist' is to say students are currently learning from a terrorist, and doing so with money given to them by the US government (student loans).
|
|
|
|
|
10-21-2008, 11:26 AM
|
#8
|
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Nowhere
Posts: 1,835
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by ArtificialOne
Why can't we question obama?
|
We can't? Then, what was it many people have been doing over the course of the campaign?
|
|
|
|
|
10-21-2008, 12:50 PM
|
#9
|
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 2,687
|
Our question-asking privileges were revoked when all we could come up with was "why do you hate America?"
|
|
|
|
|
10-21-2008, 01:09 PM
|
#10
|
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Florida
Posts: 423
|
I can come up with a better question.
"Why do you believe that the government is the answer to every problem?"
__________________
Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.
~Oscar Wilde, De Profundis, 1905
|
|
|
|
|
10-21-2008, 03:10 PM
|
#11
|
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 1,021
|
Thankyou GC!
I don't remember ever hearing the question from a reporter why Obama hates america, or some rednecks ?ing his americanism or god forbid his religion.
I do have a problem with his past and current associations with some of these people who keep getting indicted and such. I mean, don't you? Sorry but a past association that includes "OH, him yeah... I don't associate with him after you've pointed out the fact he's corrupt and all.". Uh..
The old saying "You know a person by the company they keep." Well.. hate to shatter some peoples dreamy eyed gaze of this fellow but it seems there's a pattern emerging here.
If the media would have done it's job instead of faun over this guy we'd have vastly better candidates this go around than the last two times.
Yeah, glad you like ayers stern, becuase you are in the same boat as him. I'm sure the people who were affected by his bombs would also agree with you... NOT!
|
|
|
|
|
10-21-2008, 03:18 PM
|
#12
|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Namibia
Posts: 2,526
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by ArtificialOne
Thankyou GC!
I don't remember ever hearing the question from a reporter why Obama hates america, or some rednecks ?ing his americanism or god forbid his religion.
I do have a problem with his past and current associations with some of these people who keep getting indicted and such. I mean, don't you? Sorry but a past association that includes "OH, him yeah... I don't associate with him after you've pointed out the fact he's corrupt and all.". Uh..
The old saying "You know a person by the company they keep." Well.. hate to shatter some peoples dreamy eyed gaze of this fellow but it seems there's a pattern emerging here.
If the media would have done it's job instead of faun over this guy we'd have vastly better candidates this go around than the last two times.
Yeah, glad you like ayers stern, becuase you are in the same boat as him. I'm sure the people who were affected by his bombs would also agree with you... NOT!
|
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers
I wouldn't be ashamed to know this guy. Maybe a bit afraid, but not ashamed.
|
|
|
|
|
10-21-2008, 03:19 PM
|
#13
|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Namibia
Posts: 2,526
|
Also, if you haven't heard the things people say about Obama, you probably aren't fit to be debating it.
|
|
|
|
|
10-21-2008, 03:21 PM
|
#14
|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Namibia
Posts: 2,526
|
And I heavily doubt that when Obama met him in 1995 he said "Hi! I'm Bill Ayers! I used to blow shit up when you were young!"
|
|
|
|
|
10-21-2008, 04:02 PM
|
#15
|
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 1,021
|
I learned about the weather underground in hs and I graduated in 98.
If I haven't heard all the things being said about him??? What are you some stalker of the guy? Get real. No reporters have ever given hin any tough questions like anyone else.
And if you're going to be in politics you should know who you are going to be associating with.
HA! Aren't fit to be debating it? On the grounds of what you stated? What kind of special kind of stupid are you?
|
|
|
|
|
10-21-2008, 04:44 PM
|
#16
|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Namibia
Posts: 2,526
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by ArtificialOne
I learned about the weather underground in hs and I graduated in 98.
If I haven't heard all the things being said about him??? What are you some stalker of the guy? Get real. No reporters have ever given hin any tough questions like anyone else.
And if you're going to be in politics you should know who you are going to be associating with.
HA! Aren't fit to be debating it? On the grounds of what you stated? What kind of special kind of stupid are you?
|
We've got some of the questions on this forum. I shouldn't have to point them out to you. But, for starters, a lot of people who ask one fine question about Obama are just leading up to a load-of-crap question. Plus, everybody has bad friends. So far, I've heard two or three legit claims of Obama's 'bad' friends. Surely he has more than two or three friends!
McCain has Sarah Palin as his VP. I don't see Ayers in such a spot on Obama's side. Nor Wright or Foster.
|
|
|
|
|
10-21-2008, 05:09 PM
|
#17
|
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 1,021
|
No, you needn't point out stupid questions and statements you insistingly repeat like a broken record.
Load of crap questions like his current ties with the ACORN voter frauds?
Comparing Ayers to Palin? What shit are you smoking? I'd get a refund fast.
Seriously, if such people were on the opposite side of the isle, someone would be having an old style witch hunt with him.
And this is my whole point, because some people are so rabidly anti bush and rep, they'll choose a completely unfit person to serve as the next pres.
Sure he talks a good talk, but where's the substance and equal treatment in the media?
|
|
|
|
|
10-21-2008, 05:26 PM
|
#18
|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Namibia
Posts: 2,526
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by ArtificialOne
No, you needn't point out stupid questions and statements you insistingly repeat like a broken record.
Load of crap questions like his current ties with the ACORN voter frauds?
Comparing Ayers to Palin? What shit are you smoking? I'd get a refund fast.
Seriously, if such people were on the opposite side of the isle, someone would be having an old style witch hunt with him.
And this is my whole point, because some people are so rabidly anti bush and rep, they'll choose a completely unfit person to serve as the next pres.
Sure he talks a good talk, but where's the substance and equal treatment in the media?
|
I already linked to an NY Times article about his ties to ACORN. He was a lawyer for them or some such at one point. Doesn't even necessarily qualify them for the 'bad friends' category.
|
|
|
|
|
10-21-2008, 05:30 PM
|
#19
|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Namibia
Posts: 2,526
|
And I'm comparing Palin to Ayers because Ayers lives a normal life, now. It's only natural to assume the bastard's got atleast a little sanity. I've seen how Palin votes. I've heard how she talks. I've heard about the new TrooperGate.
As far as voting goes, she's against abortion even in cases of ****, incest, and child molestation. She supports hunting from aircraft and taking polar bears off the endangered species list.
I believe that Abortion is a woman's right, and even if McCain didn't die in office, he'd still be against it (though not as strictly as Palin, I'll point out).
|
|
|
|
|
10-21-2008, 05:31 PM
|
#20
|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Namibia
Posts: 2,526
|
**** is blocked but not bastard or fuck?
|
|
|
|
|
10-21-2008, 11:52 PM
|
#21
|
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Raxacoricofallapatorius
Posts: 1,750
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by ArtificialOne
You know a person by the company they keep.
|
Well then Jesus Christ was a right wanker, wasn't he?
__________________
Because before too long there'll be nothing left alive, not a creature on the land or sea, a bird in the sky. They'll be shot, harpooned, eaten, and hunted too much, vivisected by the clever men who prove that there's no such things as a fair world with live and let live. The Royal family go hunting, what an example to give to the people they lead and that don't include me, I've seen enough pain and torture of those who can't speak...
- Tough Shit, Mickey by Conflict
|
|
|
|
|
10-22-2008, 12:59 AM
|
#22
|
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: California
Posts: 390
|
I'm not big on judging others simply by their associates, or by a lot of other things. But I do have to say that seeing the headlines on some of the internet news these days is starting to get a bit nauseating. They could hardly have been more favorably written if they were a PR release from the Obama campaign.
But, the media gave up all objectivity long ago and have since divided into camps. I suppose I long for a non-existent day when the truth actually mattered. Of course, if everyone knew everything about American politicians, we'd be forming firing squads for both parties.
|
|
|
|
|
10-22-2008, 01:26 AM
|
#23
|
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Raxacoricofallapatorius
Posts: 1,750
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by ionic_angel
I'm not big on judging others simply by their associates, or by a lot of other things. But I do have to say that seeing the headlines on some of the internet news these days is starting to get a bit nauseating. They could hardly have been more favorably written if they were a PR release from the Obama campaign.
But, the media gave up all objectivity long ago and have since divided into camps. I suppose I long for a non-existent day when the truth actually mattered. Of course, if everyone knew everything about American politicians, we'd be forming firing squads for both parties.
|
You say that as if some of us aren't 
__________________
Because before too long there'll be nothing left alive, not a creature on the land or sea, a bird in the sky. They'll be shot, harpooned, eaten, and hunted too much, vivisected by the clever men who prove that there's no such things as a fair world with live and let live. The Royal family go hunting, what an example to give to the people they lead and that don't include me, I've seen enough pain and torture of those who can't speak...
- Tough Shit, Mickey by Conflict
|
|
|
|
|
10-23-2008, 03:33 PM
|
#24
|
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Lost City of Atlanta
Posts: 326
|
One of many examples I could give on the news media being biased...
In the breakroom yesterday, the news was on (was CNN or one of the other major networks). They were talking about accusations that Obama was socialist (and if you look at his policies, he is). They cited that one of the reasons he was being called a socialist was his wanting to re-distribute wealth. Then they proceeded to try to turn it around and say Palin was socialist because she "takes money from the oil companies and give it to Alaskan citizens."
Agree or disagree with Palin, this was a blaring example of the media trying to turn things around. What happens in Alaska with oil is not socialist re-distributing of wealth. The reason is the oil is on Alaskan land. The oil therefore belongs to the Alaskan government. The oil companies cut a deal with Alaska that they'd give a portion of their profits to the Alaskan government if they'd let them drill. The Alaskan government agreed and gives a portion of that profit to Alaskan residents. Being biased, the media tried to paint it up like it was a blaring example of socialism.
On top of that, the media isn't covering Obama's request of taxpayer dollars for a stage for his inauguration speech. If something like that happened with McCain/Palin, the media would be all over it.
I'm not making a statement on the qualifications of any of the candidates...but I have noticed, and do agree that there is a double standard in the media, that the gatekeepers are heavily biased towards liberalism/democrats/etc.
|
|
|
|
|
10-23-2008, 03:45 PM
|
#25
|
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 9,548
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Mealla
One of many examples I could give on the news media being biased...
In the breakroom yesterday, the news was on (was CNN or one of the other major networks). They were talking about accusations that Obama was socialist (and if you look at his policies, he is). They cited that one of the reasons he was being called a socialist was his wanting to re-distribute wealth. Then they proceeded to try to turn it around and say Palin was socialist because she "takes money from the oil companies and give it to Alaskan citizens."
Agree or disagree with Palin, this was a blaring example of the media trying to turn things around. What happens in Alaska with oil is not socialist re-distributing of wealth. The reason is the oil is on Alaskan land. The oil therefore belongs to the Alaskan government. The oil companies cut a deal with Alaska that they'd give a portion of their profits to the Alaskan government if they'd let them drill. The Alaskan government agreed and gives a portion of that profit to Alaskan residents. Being biased, the media tried to paint it up like it was a blaring example of socialism.
On top of that, the media isn't covering Obama's request of taxpayer dollars for a stage for his inauguration speech. If something like that happened with McCain/Palin, the media would be all over it.
I'm not making a statement on the qualifications of any of the candidates...but I have noticed, and do agree that there is a double standard in the media, that the gatekeepers are heavily biased towards liberalism/democrats/etc.
|
Neither of them are socialist. If Obama was running here in Canada, he'd be with the Conservative party. If Palin was running here she'd be in the Christian Heritage Party and never get a seat. I don't think Obama gets even close to being leftist enough to be classified as a socialist. And its sad thats its getting flung around like a dirty word, like you guys use the word "liberal".
And technically the government taking control of natural resources is a part of socialism, not there because she's letting the companies control it provided they get a share. And it reminds me of the Simpsons Movie, "Welcome to Alaska, here's a thousand dollars. We pay every resident a thousand dollars to allow the oil companies to ravage our state's natural beauty."
|
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:01 PM.
|
|
