Vegetarians and Vegans.

[Paigeybobert]

Originally Posted by JCC

Your friends need a slap.

My friends need 20 slaps.

[Albert Mond]

Originally Posted by Eclipsing the Son

You take computer science three to know how to cultivate soil?

Strange. I took horticulture. I grow tomatoes and avocados.

You know. That sort of thing. Stuff I don't just come up with off the top of my head.

Bitch, please. I grow Tomatoes, Habanero, cucumber, ONE avocado (I hate that shit), and lots of other things.

[Eclipsing the Son]

Originally Posted by Albert Mond

Bitch, please. I grow Tomatoes, Habanero, cucumber, ONE avocado (I hate that shit), and lots of other things.

Am I supposed to be impressed? Should I be offended because you don't like avocado?

Cause I'm not.

[honeythorn]

Originally Posted by Eclipsing the Son

When was the last time you saw a wild cow? The answer is 'never' because cows are incapable of fending for themselves. It has been this way for thousands of years.

If you mean a friesian dairy cow or one of the many breeds of beef cattle, then no, they are not wild, They have been bred for dairy and meat it is true.

But they are PERFECTLY capable of surviving in the wild as long as they aren't near areas of human habitation or activity such as railroads and so on ( there are plenty of open areas still, and highland cattle are more than half wild as it stands ) . They eat grass and other plants, which there is plenty of, and since here in the UK there are no natural predators ( excluding human beings ) such as the wolves we used to have (seeing as people have eradicated them) , apart from oncoming traffic and deep water ( it is true that they can be very stupid when frightened, much like human beings in fact ) there is little to threaten a herd of cattle gone wild.

Have you ever tried to approach a close knit group of cows? I have , and I wouldn't fucking reccomend it. You don't need a bull to see off an unwanted intruder. They will do one of two things. Either walk off disinterestedly, or if you are faced with a determined old bitch of a matriarch, they will fucking come at you with heads shaking and several tons of beef if you don't bugger off and get your arse over the gate.

Your notion of cows not being capable of fending for themselves is almost as laughable as the time Tam Li Hua suggested cows couldn't give birth by themselves.

[Saya]

We've been through this countless times in countless threads, there's one in Politics and there's one in Whining for the more recent ones.

Originally Posted by Eclipsing the Son

Vegetarians and Vegans are by far the most self deceiving lunatics on the planet. They believe cows and other farm animals that would not even survive in the wild should be treated with as much respect as people. When was the last time you saw a wild cow? The answer is 'never' because cows are incapable of fending for themselves. It has been this way for thousands of years.

Some religions believe that to be a truly compassionate person, that shouldn't only extend to humans. Others look at the deplorable conditions the animals are raise in and slaughtered in and say "This is wrong." Nothing wrong with people who think cruelty is wrong even when its done to "dumb animals."

Another argument made by vegans is that their diets do not harm the environment or other animals. Wrong. Thousands of smaller mammals are killed by wheat threshers and other farming devices on a daily basis. The simple fact is that the people who harvest your vegetarian foods do not care about other animals the way you do and only market to you because you pay them money.

Its hard in the modern age living in the city where you can't grow your own crops to be completely guilt free, but its still better to have only the guilt of small animals killed accidently on your conscience than that of small animals, cows, pigs, and chickens.

Yet another example of the logic of vegetarians falling flat on its face is the idea that you could feed more people with what we feed cows than by feeding the cows themselves. Wrong again. The kind of wheat used to feed cows is entirely differant than what is used to make bread. Its the same way dog food may be made from chicken but you would not be able to live off it. The metabolic principles of this strain of wheat can support a cow, but not a person.

We can grow something else in its place can't we? Or does the land ONLY grow wheat for cows?

There is a shifty and diabolical organization known as PETA. These people want all animals to be set free and have a primary goal of liberating all animals, including pets. Their core belief is that animals should have a place equal to humans in society. This falls apart immediately because it would mean sentencing leopards to prison for killing cattle and giving cheetahs speeding tickets. It can also be pointed out that the co-founder of PETA is a diabetic and lives thanks to the miracle of insulin; A product of medical experimentation through animals. They have also been found to kill animals instead of trying to rehabilitate them and fund terrorist organizations that bomb hospitals and clinics.

All Americans are racist and homocidal because in their population exists the K K K.

There is also the argument by some vegetarians that is so off the wall that anybody with a highschool education in science cannot fathom it without becoming offended. It is that we as human beings are not supposed to eat meat. The truth of this is that if we were not supposed to eat meat we wouldn't be able to digest it. Herbivores cannot digest or metabolize flesh That, and we have canines. End of discussion.

A lot of herbivores have canines, and rodents, even the omnivores, don't. Thing is our canines are consist with that of a frugivore, and our intestines are too long to be consistant with a carnivore. Rather we were originally frugivorous and evolved to tolerate meat as we do have a special acid in our stomachs that herbivores dont have. And since we can live quite comfortably without meat, why keep eating it?

Vegetarians and vegans are neck and neck with the lowest forms of scum on the planet. They do not understand the consequences of their beliefs and refuse to listen to reason. They are right there next to murderers and religious fanatics. Their beliefs do not lift up animals (whom have no idea what is going on in their heads) but tear down the value of humanity. The next time you meat a vegetarian or vegan, you would do well to immediately break communication, because if they are willing to entertain the ideals that vegetarianism pertain to, than there is no limit to the depths of their inhuman and insane beliefs. There can be no doubt of what terrible things they are capable of justifying.

Steer clear of these revolting people and their twisted logic.

Vegetarians are the scum of the earth because they can look at the ways an animal is slaughtered and be horrified, while others can look at the same scene and not care at all? How does that make sense?

[Godslayer Jillian]

Originally Posted by Eclipsing the Son

Another argument made by vegans is that their diets do not harm the environment or other animals. Wrong. Thousands of smaller mammals are killed by wheat threshers and other farming devices on a daily basis.

I used to use that argument, but I did some research and it turns out it's not true.
Despite how many vermin there are, the number that are killed does not approach eight billion, which is the number of chickens killed in America alone every year.
Not only that, but (and you will find it mentioned a lot in this forum because it's a cool fact) we need [u]ten[/b] acres that dedicate to the bovine industry to get the amount of protein produced in one acre dedicated to agriculture.
Coupled with the methane produced and the soil erosion caused by trampling (Texas used to be green!), this discovery changed a lot of my attitude towards veganism.

And yes, these cows and chickens wouldn't survive in the wild: they're all destined to die one way or another. But that doesn't mean that we have to prolong their suffering, nor keep perpetuating an unsustainable industry.

[Joker_in_the_Pack]

Eclipsing the Son, you're an ass clown and I hope you get ruthlessly murdered by feral dairy cows.


*continues to eat his bowl of rice and tofu*

[Underwater Ophelia]

While I agree that vegetarians and vegans are lame--who the fuck cares?
You're transparent as hell and it's obvious that you're just trying to seem badass and cynical and cutting edge and all of that bullshit.

[Eclipsing the Son]

Originally Posted by Joker_in_the_Pack

Eclipsing the Son, you're an ass clown and I hope you get ruthlessly murdered by feral dairy cows.


*continues to eat his bowl of rice and tofu*

Here we see the typical murderous fallback mentality of the typical vegetarian.

"Disagree with us and DIE!"

Absolutely shameful and barbaric.

[metatrondarkangel]

Man I like you... you are so opinionated I can't tell if you are serious or just trying to get a rise out of everyone and anyone.... I love it.

I didn't read the whole thing it was getting a little tedious, but I will add this... by comparison vegans and vegie-types in general have more skin problems than the ravaging carnivores... just an observation. Put it to the test.

[Saya]

Originally Posted by metatrondarkangel

Man I like you... you are so opinionated I can't tell if you are serious or just trying to get a rise out of everyone and anyone.... I love it.

I didn't read the whole thing it was getting a little tedious, but I will add this... by comparison vegans and vegie-types in general have more skin problems than the ravaging carnivores... just an observation. Put it to the test.

Depends on how well the vegetarian takes care of his or her diet, needs to get omega 3 supplements and eat lots of whole foods, as well making sure that if they aren't eating tofu or soy a lot (which they shouldn't really) that they keep their veggies varied, as veggies have a lot of protein but getting the right mix of amino acids require variety, like having rice and potatoe together.

[Eclipsing the Son]

Originally Posted by Saya

Depends on how well the vegetarian takes care of his or her diet, needs to get omega 3 supplements and eat lots of whole foods, as well making sure that if they aren't eating tofu or soy a lot (which they shouldn't really) that they keep their veggies varied, as veggies have a lot of protein but getting the right mix of amino acids require variety, like having rice and potatoe together.

"Potato"

By not eating meat they are already improperly dieting. In a natural environment you would not be able to rely on omega 3 supplements or tofu. Eating meat is natural and healthy. If it were up to you we'd all be eating nothing but capsules for a balanced diet.

[Saya]

Originally Posted by Eclipsing the Son

"Potato"

By not eating meat they are already improperly dieting. In a natural environment you would not be able to rely on omega 3 supplements or tofu. Eating meat is natural and healthy. If it were up to you we'd all be eating nothing but capsules for a balanced diet.

No, vegetarianism has been around a seriously long time.

Eating meat is natural and healthy in moderation but not factory farming or feeding cows the flesh of dead cows. If you ate only animals you've raised and killed yourself you'd have a stance with that.

[Albert Mond]

Originally Posted by Eclipsing the Son

"Potato"

By not eating meat they are already improperly dieting. In a natural environment you would not be able to rely on omega 3 supplements or tofu. Eating meat is natural and healthy. If it were up to you we'd all be eating nothing but capsules for a balanced diet.

On that note, here's a list of things you can do to stay "natural":

1. Live in the woods
2. Move only by foot
3. Scavenge
4. Avoid technology at all costs

[Eclipsing the Son]

Originally Posted by Saya

No, vegetarianism has been around a seriously long time.

Eating meat is natural and healthy in moderation but not factory farming or feeding cows the flesh of dead cows. If you ate only animals you've raised and killed yourself you'd have a stance with that.

We all agree that fast food isn't healthy. Grocery store butchered t-bones and steaks are perfectly healthy. The feeding of dead cows to cattle is a completely seperate topic and is illegal because it causes genetic defects such as hoof in mouth and mad cow disease.

Vegetarianism HAS been around forever but usually it is because of the ignorant following of religious practices or the inability to find anything else to eat.

[Saya]

Originally Posted by Eclipsing the Son

We all agree that fast food isn't healthy. Grocery store butchered t-bones and steaks are perfectly healthy. The feeding of dead cows to cattle is a completely seperate topic and is illegal because it causes genetic defects such as hoof in mouth and mad cow disease.

Vegetarianism HAS been around forever but usually it is because of the ignorant following of religious practices or the inability to find anything else to eat.

Vegetarianism is older than meat eating, we evolved from frugivores.

Steaks and t-bones have a lot of fat in them, you know. And on that note a vegetarian diet is perfectly healthy, and easy on the conscience.

And you're still allowed to feed them animal by products, just leave the brains out and they need to be boiled.

[Eclipsing the Son]

Originally Posted by Saya

Vegetarianism is older than meat eating, we evolved from frugivores.

Exactly. We evolved. That's progress. We shouldn't go backwards.

[Saya]

Originally Posted by Eclipsing the Son

Exactly. We evolved. That's progress. We shouldn't go backwards.

And we're evolving and are evolved enough to make synthetic meat, lets not go backwards.

[Eclipsing the Son]

Technology is not evolution.

Synthetic meats serve as much purpose as candy and other indulgences if you have a taste for that sort of thing. If I eat tofu or a boca burger it is because I'm craving one. They are in no way a replacement for meat.

[PinstripesAndPithHelmets]

This damned thing won't let me type in all caps!

[Albert Mond]

Originally Posted by Eclipsing the Son

Technology is not evolution.

Then neither is meat eating. How about we abolish all technology and eat only meat, eh? It are logical.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by Eclipsing the Son

Exactly. We evolved. That's progress. We shouldn't go backwards.

That's an astonishingly naive view of natural selection. We changed to consume meat because there wasn't enough vegetation to live on, it was a survival choice, not the same as the progression of flying capability or vision.

[Saya]

Originally Posted by Eclipsing the Son

Technology is not evolution.

Synthetic meats serve as much purpose as candy and other indulgences.

Technology is a part of it and is the reason you never see the animal you eat.

Lets compare fake meat with real meat shall we?

Real meat (plain hamburger):
http://caloriecount.about.com/calori...e-patty-i21109

Calories:279
Total fat: 13.5 grams
Cholesterol: 26mg
Sodium: 504 mg
Carbohydrates: 27.3 grams
protein: 12.9 grams

Vitamin A: 2% of daily intake
Calcium: 6%
Vitamin C: 3%
Iron: 9%

Soy meat (hamburger):
http://caloriecount.about.com/calori...e-patty-i21109

Calories: 120
Total fat: 4 grams
Sodium: 450mg
Carbohydrates: 9 grams (3 grams fiber)
Protein: 11 grams

Calcium 6%
Iron 25%

Thats some healthy candy indulgence food!

[Underwater Ophelia]

Yeah, but soy is disgusting and you don't get the benefit of the fantastic feeling of ending an existence between your jaws.

[metatrondarkangel]

"All Americans are racist and homocidal because in their population exists the K K K." - Saya

?????- I was sympathizing and accepting some points until this statement. Someone remind me again what is so special about "New Foundland"?

The fact that the K K K exist here in my opinion saids more about the freedoms afforded it's citizens than the mentality or personality of the whole as generalized in your statement. Not to mention what the Hell does that have to do with Vegans and Carnivores...

I'm sick and tired of certian Europeans that insist on treating "Americans" like low class barbarians. They didn't seem to mind when our grand fathers were kicking some Hun ass to keep them in wine, cheese and Croissants...

Another reason I get pissed and start believing maybe the U.S. should start recovering some flow from the "Elitest bastards" across the pond for rebuilding their freaking countries after the war that might help our economy especially if we compile the interest.

Wow I'm so pissed I'm not making sense... I'm not following this thread anymore.

Say what ever you want about who ever, just don't make generalizations like that one... everyone has something in their country or social segment that is appauling.

Accept maybe New Foundland, one would have to go back to the Vikings to drum anything up. Thats just around the last time they had any significance in the world.

Man I'm pissed....