Will Twilight be the new Harry Potter?

[JCC]

I'm explaining the basics of the plot. If that's going into it too much, do I expect Harry Potter to be ejaculating onto a swastika flag and preaching The Fourth Reich upon further inspection?

[gothicusmaximus]

Originally Posted by JCC

Harry Potter attempts to be liberal by having a gay benevolent character (AFTER the book is published, obviously, don't want to compromise the money) yet creates a race of people graced with elegance from birth that end up having a sympathy and pity towards those not born with the same wondrous powers, constantly defending them from the Magical Mickey Mouse Klub because the Muggles are not born with the greatness to defeat them themselves and must constantly be mollycoddled.

I don't recall there being a single instance of wizard-people expressing pity for mundane humans. In fact, one of the most pronounced themes is the vilification of magic practitioners who look down on Muggles, which is extrapolated to a condemnation of all racial hatred. The idea that wizards are consistently portrayed as superior to ordinary people is ridiculous, as they're frequently shown to be inept at best and cruel at worst. Sure, usually a wizard will defeat the villain and save the day, but that's because the protagonist is a wizard.

Twilight has the decency to be amoral and apolitical in its shittiness rather than poisoning youths on an ethical level as well.

Did you miss all of the Mormon and anti-abortion propaganda, or the superficial bitch of a 'heroine'?

[JCC]

The hero of the story goes to a school where people are only accepted based upon how they're born and the man currently in charge of said institution where the 'squib' has to clean up after people is turned into a role model.

Its attempts at preaching acceptance fail miserably to an amusing degree.

[Albert Mond]

Originally Posted by JCC

The hero of the story goes to a school where people are only accepted based upon how they're born and the man currently in charge of said institution where the 'squib' has to clean up after people is turned into a role model.

Its attempts at preaching acceptance fail miserably to an amusing degree.

Humans get into Hogwarts, though. Have you even read it?

[JCC]

Originally Posted by Albert Mond

Humans get into Hogwarts, though. Have you even read it?

Yes.

All seven books.

[Albert Mond]

Originally Posted by JCC

Yes.

All seven books.

Lol. ~~~~~

[$haDe]

Originally Posted by JCC

Yes.

All seven books.

You're persistant.

I gave up on the fifth one.

[Dr Nancy]

For the moment, I'm hoping that Stephenie Meyer will be kidnapped by an obsessed fangirl misery style.

[metatrondarkangel]

I don't think it will happen, because the flick doesn't seem to have as broad an appeal in the market as HP... but then HP knocked me out for the first movie... and I was dragged to the second and about the third I started liking it... Need more evil guy action...

[Steele_Mistress]

I've never so much as read past the first page of one of the Twilight books because I thought it was boring, let alone go see it in theater. From all the reviews, I'm glad I have not and will not. The fangirls are starting to annoy the fudge out of me.

[masquerade]

Oh man. I read the first book years ago, then I finished the series and dreaded the movie.

I figured it would have some massive following and I was right even my mothers knitting club suggested reading it and even had a group playdate to go see it. Imagine that... a group of twenty or so sixty year old women.

[a morbid curiosity]

Originally Posted by JCC

Twilight has the decency to be amoral and apolitical in its shittiness rather than poisoning youths on an ethical level as well.

Twilight is about a damsel in distress that is tremendously beautiful but also lacks a brain and self-consciously worries about how inferior she is to her partner.
It also preaches abstinence to teens, basically.
So, yeah.

I've read some of both. Rowling's style sucks but she's not as completely ridiculous as Meyer.

[masquerade]

I find it funny that she picks the controlling emotionally abusive relationship, then all the little girls in the world claim they want "an edward". It's like she's brainwashing them into "obey thy husband".

[Loz]

I received twilight for christmas from a well-meaning relitive, so I tried to get all the way to the end, but failed. It's like some childs wish fulfilment fanfiction. I really have no idea why it's become a craze among kids.

[Sanguine Heart]

Originally Posted by Albert Mond

http://twilightmomsforums.freeforums...t5345-300.html

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

[exacerbatedpoet]

Ok, I actually like Twilight and Harry Potter. I grew up reading Harry Potter, read all of the books and have seen all of the movies. I also have been reading Twilight seen the books first came out four or five years ago. Now although I love Twilight, there is no way in hell can you compare its story to the epic story that is Harry Potter. I mean I'm sort of a romantic so I can see the appeal of Twilight and but come on really? Also has a long time fan I can say that this new Twilight mania that has come on the masses in this past year is utterly stupid. I mean its starting to piss me off and Hot Topic has not helped. I mean a while ago I saw a girl, wearing a Team Edward shirt. I HATE people who consider themselves Team Edward or Jacob. When I saw that shirt it seriously put me in a bad mood. I also just love how many girls would want to be with Edward Cullen and wish they were Bella. I mean you wouldn't want to be with a guy who stalks into your room at night every night while your sleeping and who wouldn't want to so obsessed with a guy that you can't even live without them? I mean I know I sound like a hater but I really like Twilight and the love story. Its just that I don't believe that its all sunshine and roses. I mean the book is about obsession if you think about it. I mean its a human and a vampire.

[FairyGarland]

Twilight is a mediocre novel with an overly-obsessed fanbase. When I read it a year prior to the hype no one knew it existed and all of a sudden there's all these crazy fans 'cos they've heard it's being made into a movie. I saw the movie and nearly fell asleep. It's not as good as it's made out to be. Not at all!

[nightbloomingflower1]

I realize that the books were written for young adults, but I enjoyed them. they weren't preachy and if it didn't have vampires it would be a realistic view of relationships between teenagers. I don't plan on seeing the movie right now because that would ruin it for me.

[Necrophagist]

You're sad.

FIN

[Beneath the Shadows]

Originally Posted by nightbloomingflower1

...if it didn't have vampires...

It didn't have vampires.

[Mealla]

Originally Posted by Elysiume

The Harry Potter books were horrendous, but the films were okay. I think what some fail to grasp about the Twilight series is that they are kids books! Therefore, they don't have to be meaningful, or clever, just something entertaining, because they are aimed at children, and those with the mental age of a child.

When I was young, books written for or read by children *were* still meaningful and clever. A Wrinkle in Time, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, The Dark is Rising, The Chronicles of Narnia, His Dark Materials, and more. There are plenty of books out there written with children in mind that entertain as well as educate. Even childrens' books can deal with complex themes or deep subject matter. I think it's a disservice to kids to feed them drivel because people assume they won't be interested in anything else, and I think many children are more intelligent than we give them credit for. That's why some kids, even at an early age, start reading books from areas of the library or bookstore not geared toward them.

Besides, the Twilight books, aside from being horribly boring (I couldn't even get past the first two paragraphs), are not geared toward children. They are marketed as teen books, and are most often put in the teen section if there is one. Teens should certainly be capable of a higher reading level than this Twilight drivel. I guess this should be expected though. There are grown women who read cliché, poorly-written, female-belittling romance novels on a regular basis. That's pretty much what Twilight is, only minus the sex and plus vampires...oh wait, the romance section has plenty of vampires too. And Highlanders. And Nascar. Yes. Nascar romances. I should know, I had to stock them when I worked at the bookstore. ~_~ But pardon me, I digress.

[Beneath the Shadows]

Originally Posted by Mealla

Teens should certainly be capable of a higher reading level than this Twilight drivel.

Damn right. I was reading Tom Clancy when I was thirteen.

[Mealla]

Originally Posted by Beneath the Shadows

I was reading Tom Clancy when I was thirteen.

Yeah. Around thirteen I was reading Piers Anthony, Graham Edwards, Tolkien, George Orwell, Ray Bradbury, H.G. Wells...Hell, I was obsessed with The Island of Dr. Moreau back in middle school. Teens and even kids are capable of so much more than Twilight. The "kids/teens simply cannot understand or enjoy anything more than simple stuff" argument really irks me.

[Mealla]

Originally Posted by Albert Mond

http://twilightmomsforums.freeforums...t5345-300.html

Oh, and I'm not easily frightened, but the fact that there is a twilight moms forum is absolutely terrifying. Sadly, it is not surprising.

[Scareebowfairy]

When I was 12 I loved Harry Potter. And I still like the silly concept of it.
I don't care what anybody says, Harry Potter is a fun story.
Twilight obviously has an appeal to all the lonely, hormonal teenage girls out there who want an Edward.
Can Twilight be as big as Harry Potter? Sadly, hell yes. If enough teenage girls delude themselves into the fantasy world of twilight, then it could be around for a long time.