'Plus Size' Models Causes Walk Out

[Geoluhread]

To say that a 12 size is overweight or not you REALLY have to take height and bone structure into consideration.

To make it a stereotypical thing to say that a size 12 is just overweight and you can`t argue about it is ridiculous... Just like the whole fashion industry...

[Underwater Ophelia]

Honeythorn, you just said a 14 is plus sized.
How would a size 12, the next size down, not be anything even close?

[gothicusmaximus]

Originally Posted by honeythorn

THIS. Go into any shop, and you WILL NOT find size 12 clothing in the plus size areas. Nor will you find it in catalogues.

A 14 could, arguably be considered a plus size, but again it depends on the body proportions. Many ( not all ) women I have seen who are a 14 don't look anything close to being fat or overweight, they basically have wide hips or a large build which no amount of diet and excercise will change.

As HavelockV has said, the a US 12 is equivalent to a UK 14. I suppose you live in the UK.

It isn't any sort of plus size small or large, google does not walk to town or go to work everyday, people with normal vision do.

Honeythorn, this may come as a shock, but Google is not a robot. It's the aggregate knowledge of hundreds of millions of people. Google plus size, and you'll see UK stores selling clothes 14+, and US stores selling clothes 12+.

Clearly something is wrong with your vision if you think the woman in that picture is anything close to being fat or has large thighs. She has a flat stomach, proprtional legs, yes including her thighs and is generally toned.

If you have a fetish for anorexic people that's your business but keep your innacurate observations of body mass in your own head, you're just making a fool of yourself on a subject you clearly know bugger all about.

Okay, Honeythorn, I get that you're--to be gentle--quite a large woman, and consequently prefer that the definition of 'fat' be as exclusive as possible. You claim you aren't being defensive, but there's no 'factual' cause to dismiss my statements as those of someone with 'a fetish for anorexic people'.
I said that a woman who fits a size 12 is unattractively large. There are 12 fucking sizes between that and anorexic. You're not being 'factual'. You're being bitter about your own weight.

[MissCheyenne]

Not everyone who is a UK size 14 is hugely 'fat'. However, this depends entirely on how tall they are. I, for example, at a size 14 looked massive because I'm only just over five feet tall. Most plus size shops in the UK that I have been in, stock clothes from a 16 upwards, on the other hand, other stores class a 14 as being plus size. Whether or not a woman looks fat also depends on how toned she is, people I know who are fairly slim look bigger than they really are because they aren't toned, myself included.

If you just don't don't find larger women attractive that's fine, it's no different to me being more attracted to men with dark hair than I am to men with blond hair.

[honeythorn]

Originally Posted by gothicusmaximus

Okay, Honeythorn, I get that you're--to be gentle--quite a large woman, and consequently prefer that the definition of 'fat' be as exclusive as possible. You claim you aren't being defensive, but there's no 'factual' cause to dismiss my statements as those of someone with 'a fetish for anorexic people'.
I said that a woman who fits a size 12 is unattractively large. There are 12 fucking sizes between that and anorexic. You're not being 'factual'. You're being bitter about your own weight.

UK stores don't put clothes of a size 14 in the plus sized section ( and a UK 14 is highly questionable as a plus size ) . Even size 16 clothes aren't kept in the plus sized section depsite them actually being a plus size.

No. I couldn't care a pigs fart for for the definition of fat to be "as exclusive as possible" As a fat person I know fat when I see it, and a UK 14 is far from it wthout having to compare a woman of that size to myself. Which pisses on your fire.

Excluding disability or illnesses, I make and accept no excuses for people (or myself) being fat. People like that piss me off even more than people like you.

Being bitter about my weight would indicate that I don't take responsibilty for my own obesity, and there you couldn't more wrong if you tried. I know how I got fat ( oddly enough I ate too much how shocking ) and I'm changing it.

I would be very happy indeed to be size 12 and I know damn well I wouldn't be a plus size if I was one. A size 10-12 is a normal size for someone my height. And I know I'll be able to get away with a 14 as well due to my shape as even I am aware I'm not too badly proportioned even at the size I am now.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by honeythorn

As a fat person I know fat when I see it, and a UK 14 is far from it wthout having to compare a woman of that size to myself. Which pisses on your fire.

I used to be enormous, and my opinion of what's fat clearly differs from yours, having experience of being fat doesn't say shit for your ability to define what is fat and what isn't.

[Alan]

Honeythorn, how do you rationalize not caring a 'pigs fart' about the definition of 'fat' and then claiming that GM has a 'fetish for anorexic people' just because he doesn't use your definition?

[creature6]

this is a plus size model.


here a few references:

1.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plus-size_model

2.http://telepicturesblog.warnerbros.c...ize_model.html

What Is A Plus-Size Model?

Plus-Size Model Plus-size models participate in a variety of modeling jobs including print work, runway shows, and fit or informal modeling. Fashion modeling is the category aspiring models usually think of when they dream of being a model. Fashion plus modeling can include a magazine cover or layout, representing a plus-size manufacturer in print advertisements, or strutting down the catwalk in the latest Lane Bryant lingerie.

Requirements Can Include:

Between 5'8" and 6'0"
5'9" is pretty much minimum for larger markets though Wilhelmina in NYC does represent a few girls who are 5'7" and 5'8".

Size 12, 14, 16
Sizes 10 and 18/20 are also used, but are not as common.

Toned
You may be a "plus size," but you may have to be in shape if you model swimwear, lingerie or fitness gear.

Proportionate
You should be in proportion. Your bust, waist and hips should be about ten inches apart in size (i.e. 42-32-42) or very close. In addition, the shorter you are, the smaller your size should be. Someone who is 5'8" would be expected to wear a smaller size (12/14) than a taller model. It is all about length and proportion.

When looking for an agency to represent you, ask if they represent plus-size or commercial models. If they do, ask what their height and size requirements are. If you fit their requirements, ask to schedule an interview or find out if they have open calls. If you live a distance away from the agency, do a mail-in with your pictures and information.

To find out when Wilhelmina Models is conducting their next search for a plus size model, visit www.wilhelminaportfolios.com

3.http://plussize.about.com/od/plussiz...ecomemodel.htm

Plus Size Modeling Requirements

While you may need to fit into a certain size to become a plus model, that's not all. Plus models are generally 5'8" to 6' in height, and wear a size 10 and up.

Other guidelines include:

* A proportional figure
*
* Shapely legs

Note: Fit models may be required in larger sizes or shorter heights than standard plus-size modeling, and it’s worth inquiring when you call agencies.

[Alan]

Originally Posted by creature6

Between 5'8" and 6'0"
5'9" is pretty much minimum for larger markets though Wilhelmina in NYC does represent a few girls who are 5'7" and 5'8".

Size 12, 14, 16
Sizes 10 and 18/20 are also used, but are not as common.

FUCK YEAH! we won.


Plus, ANTM's one plus-sized winner was size 10.

[Underwater Ophelia]

Honeythorn, UK size 16=US size 12.

[honeythorn]

Originally Posted by Alan

FUCK YEAH! we won.

No you didn't

A us 12 is a uk 14.


http://www.onlineconversion.com/clothing_womens.htm

http://www.usatourist.com/english/ti...ens-Sizes.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothing_sizes

http://www.asknumbers.com/ClothingWomensConversion.aspx

[JCC]

Originally Posted by honeythorn

No you didn't

A us 12 is a uk 14.


http://www.onlineconversion.com/clothing_womens.htm

http://www.usatourist.com/english/ti...ens-Sizes.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothing_sizes

http://www.asknumbers.com/ClothingWomensConversion.aspx

No, they definitely still won.

[Alan]

Originally Posted by honeythorn

No you didn't

Why not? blacktext

[MissCheyenne]

Originally Posted by JCC

I used to be enormous, and my opinion of what's fat clearly differs from yours, having experience of being fat doesn't say shit for your ability to define what is fat and what isn't.

You are right, having been fat or being fat doesn't give anyone a better ability to judge what is fat or not. I do think though,that sometimes when a person is big, or has been big, it can distort their idea of what exactly defines that state. I found that to be true personally,though I can't really speak for anyone else.

[honeythorn]

No they think they won because on a CATWALK full of anorexic people who are an abnormal size for their height , a size 12 would indeed look large in comparison and yet isn't a plus size . In reality it isn't anything close. If you saw one of the women I work with you'd understand why. She isn't massively tall (5'7 approx) , not amazingly toned and is a size 12-14. There's no fat rolls, no huge legs, she's perfectly normal sized. And she isn't unusual in that regard.

Catwalk style opinons are often where the misinformation being touted often arises. I mean seriously, Tyra Banks and fucking Wikipedia?

Do any of you go out and use the eyeballs you were born with?

[JCC]

Look Honeythorn, they still won. A US size 12 is a plus size, so stop crying.

[honeythorn]

I'm not I'm fuckng laughing my fat ass off. How far off they are is actually that funny.

[JCC]

But they're not far off, because a US size 12 IS a plus size.

[honeythorn]

A US 12 is a UK 14 which can only really be classed as a plus size at all if the woman is really quite short or unfortunate in her proprtions. A UK 12 is definitely not a plus size by any stretch of the imagination.

It's a good job most people with a sense of proprtion don't go by the rules of the catwalk and the opinions of Alan and Gothicus, or a vast proportion of the worlds normal sized people would be burned at the stake for having the immense audacity to own an ass, and not look like they're about to disintegrate if they lift more than a chihuaua in a handbag whilst chewing thin air.

[Alan]

Originally Posted by honeythorn

I'm not I'm fuckng laughing my fat ass off. How far off they are is actually that funny.

Jesus Christ, this thread has made me hate you. Do you hear yourself? You're so fucking insecure that you try to be a bitch as a form of argument.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by honeythorn

A US 12 is a UK 14 which can only really be classed as a plus size at all if the woman is really quite short or unfortunate in her proprtions. A UK 12 is definitely not a plus size by any stretch of the imagination.

Good thing WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A FUCKING UK SIZE 12 then isn't it?

[honeythorn]

No indeed, a uk 14 is a US 12 and still not visually a plus size (ergo, fat) unless the woman is short or badly proportioned.

[JCC]

Shut up already.

[Underwater Ophelia]

Originally Posted by honeythorn

A US 12 is a UK 14 which can only really be classed as a plus size at all if the woman is really quite short or unfortunate in her proprtions. A UK 12 is definitely not a plus size by any stretch of the imagination.

It's a good job most people with a sense of proprtion don't go by the rules of the catwalk and the opinions of Alan and Gothicus, or a vast proportion of the worlds normal sized people would be burned at the stake for having the immense audacity to own an ass, and not look like they're about to disintegrate if they lift more than a chihuaua in a handbag whilst chewing thin air.

Dude, you're really being an asshole now.
First of all, what do you mean by normal? If it's "common," then sure, go with that. It's common to be a fat ass. If it's "acceptable," fine. It's becoming more and more ok to be unhealthy.

Also, don't dare saying anyone said it was BAD to be fat. No one said that. They either said they don't personally find it attractive, or that it's unhealthy.

Lastly, fuck you for thinking that if you aren't a fat ass you're stick thin.
Guess what? I'm not fat, and I'm also not anorexic.

I am of a normal, healthy weight. Men and women alike find me attractive. I can run miles. I STILL have T&A.
So just leave that shit out.

[honeythorn]

Lastly, fuck you for thinking that if you aren't a fat ass you're stick thin.

I neither think nor said this.


Crystal renn is a normal healthy weight for her height yet you yourself have said she looks unhealthy and JCC reckons she has massive legs when she clearly doesn't. Look at her before and after.

http://www.mahalo.com/crystal-renn

I know which one looks unhealthy and it isn't the bottom set of pictures that's for sure.