I almost got into a fight on the subway

[Despanan]

Yeah, so last night my girlfriend and I were heading back from a concert at a buddies place in Brooklyn, when these four hipster/emo motherfuckers hopped on the train. It's about 2am and I'm nearly asleep and they run in and start behaving like total jackasses. Loud, obnoxious, completely disrespectful of everyone around them, that sort of thing.

Anyway, they jump up and grab the hand rails attached to the ceiling and start kicking each other in the air. Kinda like how we used to play "chicken" on the monkey bars in middle school. Anyway, this one guy comes over and tells them pretty politely to stop, as what they're doing was likely to result in someone on the train getting kicked. They just make fun of the guy, and continue to act like assholes. As soon as he gets off the train, they go back to kicking each other while hanging from the ceiling.

Apparently they came pretty close to kicking my half-asleep head, which causes my girlfriend to start yelling at them. They mouth off at her and I wake up.

I growl at them, and tell them to sit their asses down, shut up, and act like adults. This quiets them for a moment, but the assholes don't know when to quit. I'm tired, and drunk, and more than a little pissed off. I start yelling. They try to respond back, but they're not going to be able to talk over me. Their stop is next. They hurl a couple of insults and exit, I figure it's over.

Then the last one spits in my face.

As he's exiting the train, I reach out, and grab the back of his jacket and pull him back onto the train. I'm honestly not sure what I was planning to do, but throwing the tightjeans pussy onto the ground and bloodying his nose seems like a good idea. Then my girlfriend pulls on my other arm. The last ounce of sense prevails and I throw him back out of the car.

Immediately the douchebags start mouthing off. I go for one by my girlfriend jumps in the way. The train pulls away.

I don't know...I'm glad things turned out the way they did. If I had kicked their asses the MTA probably would have stopped the train, and called the cops, but it really pisses me off that they got away with being such douches.

I mean I'm not a violent guy, like, at all. I'm super calm, constantly, but I wanted to hurt them, and I was ready to. They fucking deserved it.

I don't know, I can only hope their behavior comes back to bite them in the ass soon. After the incident, I remembered running into them again, a few months back. They did the same thing (the chicken fighting, and the acting like jackasses) at the other end of the car.

[Corpsey]

Your behavior can be excused and likened to any person who is tired and nearly woken up; we all snap in moments like that. I also assume that whomever you grabbed should be counting his lucky stars that your girlfriend prevented any assault from occurring.

And don't forget that Karma's a coma, mate. I don't believe in karma but i do believe that if we continue to behave in a certain way we will reap any negative fruit, when the time ripens.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by Corpsey

And don't forget that Karma's a coma, mate. I don't believe in karma but i do believe that if we continue to behave in a certain way we will reap any negative fruit, when the time ripens.

Karma just means that actions have consequences, it's not the sort of thing that you 'believe' in.

[Ben Lahnger]

Maybe he just doesn't "believe" actions necessarily have consequences? Sometimes people get away with crappy behavior.

Despanan, you did pretty good restraining yourself. Good thing nothing more came of it ... it the cops came it might have broken down to 4 against 2. Then the cops making judgements based on who was drinking and other factors. Who knows how that goes.

I hope they get some "consequential" justice soon.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by Ben Lahnger

Maybe he just doesn't "believe" actions necessarily have consequences? Sometimes people get away with crappy behavior.

No, it's even more basic than that. If you do something, something else will happen as a result, no matter how insignificant, that's karma. It's a reminder that doing something will cause something, so don't be a dick; it's not a cosmic judiciary.

[Still Jack]

Well you've definitely got a longer fuse than I would have had in that situation. I think the almost kicking you in the head would have been worth a good punch or two. But spitting in someones face is clearly asking for a decent beating.

[Ben Lahnger]

Originally Posted by JCC

No, it's even more basic than that. If you do something, something else will happen as a result, no matter how insignificant, that's karma. It's a reminder that doing something will cause something, so don't be a dick; it's not a cosmic judiciary.

You're confusing Karma (a philosophy) with Newtons Laws of Physics (a science).

If I walk into an empty building and yell fire, physics dictates that a reaction might be the sound echoing around the building, but whether there would be any Karmic consequences is debatable.

Don't be so militantly reactionary.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by Ben Lahnger

You're confusing Karma (a philosophy) with Newtons Laws of Physics (a science).

If I walk into an empty building and yell fire, physics dictates that a reaction might be the sound echoing around the building, but whether there would be any Karmic consequences is debatable.

Don't be so militantly reactionary.

No, I'm not. I get that you want to be right about something for once, but it seems that, as always when we have a disagreement, I'm right and you're an idiot.

[Ben Lahnger]

Actually, philosophy was imprecise. Karma is an aspect of Buddhism or Hinduism. It's a tenet of religion.

You're telling people that Karma just happens, it isn't something you can choose to believe in or choose not to believe in. Wrong.

[Ben Lahnger]

Originally Posted by JCC

No, I'm not. I get that you want to be right about something for once, but it seems that, as always when we have a disagreement, I'm right and you're an idiot.

No, as usually happens, I make a statement that proves my point and you head for the last resort of the immature, name-calling. Good one.

[Alan]

Originally Posted by JCC

If you do something, something else will happen as a result, no matter how insignificant, that's karma.

How does it feel like to **** a four thousand year-old religious concept?

[JCC]

Originally Posted by Alan

How does it feel like to **** a four thousand year-old religious concept?

I wouldn't know, I'm not in the habit of it. I'm not sure what it is that you're objecting to. Different actions have different karmic weight based on complicity and effect and so on, but karma is both the minutiae and bulk of causality. Obviously there's more to it than cause and effect but my point was never that karma is solely the expression that an action leads to a reaction, simply that it is closer to that concept than any notion of the bad guy getting his comeuppance.

[JCC]

Regardless, this isn't an argument I have the heart or the knowledge to pursue.

[Ben Lahnger]

You criticized Corpsey because he said he didn't believe in Karma. Alan and I have both told you it's a religious concept. That is not the same thing as an immutable law. It may or may not actually work. No one can prove or disprove it.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by Ben Lahnger

You criticized Corpsey because he said he didn't believe in Karma. Alan and I have both told you it's a religious concept. That is not the same thing as an immutable law. It may or may not actually work. No one can prove or disprove it.

Don't piggyback on someone else's comment, you fat fuck.

[Ben Lahnger]

Every time your statements are proven to be bereft of fact or logic, you resort to name calling. It makes you look immature (even for a 15 year old), and every time you try to convince everyone how smart you are by bragging about your intelligence, it make you look like a liar.

[JCC]

I'm not bothered about my arguments being proven faulty, I've stored up enough face that I can afford to lose some when Alan kicks my ass about karma and still maintain my Mao-esque cult of personality. I just enjoy calling you a fat fuck.

[Ben Lahnger]

Originally Posted by JCC

I'm not bothered about my arguments being proven faulty, I've stored up enough fantasies that I can afford to lose some when you kick my ass about karma and Alan reiterates what you said, and still maintain my delusion of popularity. I just enjoy being rude.

There. I fixed it.

I pointed out the religious aspect first, you only paid attention once Alan said it.

I just enjoy 1) proving you wrong 2) proving you're lazy 3) proving you're not as smart as you say you are and 4) proving you're rude.

Now, go ahead and call me a fat fuck again. See if I care.

[Alan]

Jesus Christ, if Ben were a troll I would tell him nice job. You have become so fucking one-dimensional fighting against him that it's hard for anyone to take you seriously.
You remind me of Duane. Not the "I pity myself so pity me too" Duane, but the "I will talk of myself in the third person and say how awesome I am because that's the only thing that reassures me I'm not a sad fuck" Duane, know what I mean?

By the way, your bullshit claims about how Karma exists because it has the arbitrary definition you claim the word has is just as pathetic as Christian arguments on semantics that 'prove' God exists.

Now stop hijacking this thread with your make-believe Napoleon complex.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by Alan

Jesus Christ, if Ben were a troll I would tell him nice job. You have become so fucking one-dimensional fighting against him that it's hard for anyone to take you seriously.

People might start thinking that my exaggeratedly arrogant responses are a caricature or something? Fancy.

[Alan]

I know what you're doing. But it's oh so sad. What? You thought breaking character would somehow make you save face? Just shut the fuck up.

[JCC]

You already knew? I wasn't aware that Plato wrote about the use of irony on internet forums.

[sibyl vane.]

Originally Posted by Alan

Jesus Christ, if Ben were a troll I would tell him nice job. You have become so fucking one-dimensional fighting against him that it's hard for anyone to take you seriously.
You remind me of Duane. Not the "I pity myself so pity me too" Duane, but the "I will talk of myself in the third person and say how awesome I am because that's the only thing that reassures me I'm not a sad fuck" Duane, know what I mean?

By the way, your bullshit claims about how Karma exists because it has the arbitrary definition you claim the word has is just as pathetic as Christian arguments on semantics that 'prove' God exists.

Now stop hijacking this thread with your make-believe Napoleon complex.

You're right about karma, but JCC's still more interesting than Ben.

[Alan]

So what, he gets a free pass for saying so much (objectively wrong, mind you) bullshit?

[Saya]

Just to point out that JCC's definition is a common definition given by some Western Buddhist teachers and many many laymen. It simplifies the idea of karma down a lot, yes, but is part of the grand scheme of ours to gain converts by simplifying and secularizing as many ideas as possible so the atheists won't be threatened by us and might even join us. Our plan is working perfectly, too, ever since Thay used the laws of thermodynamics to try and secularize reincarnation. Also just to point out that there are different interpretations of karma depending on which religion we are talking about, Hindu, Buddhist or Jain and even different schools within have their own interpretations.

Desp, when I think "What would Zen Master Ikkyu do?" I feel that taking out your dick and calling them fags when they look would be the answer.