Another introductory thread from another newbie...

Condemned · 08-13-2011, 12:49 AM

Hi. I'm Kevin and here's a short introduction.

Bio: I'm Kevin. I'm anti-religious, skeptical of superstitious claims, and I'm very dark-minded. Besides having a morbid mentality, I'm extremely nice to my friends and any acquaintances who are alike.

Age: 21

Music: Black Metal, Death Metal, Gothic, Industrial, Symphonic Metal.

Hobbies: Music, gaming, chatting, movies, clothes shopping, playing guitar, scientific and philosophical research, occasionally partly cross-dressing, etc.

That's probably all I can think of right now.

Renatus · 08-13-2011, 09:42 AM

*please read entire post, the mood of it gets better at the end*

*waves my hand* you want to go home and rethink your life.

Seriously, your anti everyone philosophy won't get you very far in life. Frankly it looks to me like you're trying to be the stereotypical goth, despite the fact that the stereotypical goth is almost entirely inaccurate of what Goth actually is.

First off, the thing about you that really caught my eye is your wish that you could kill everyone, that attitude needs to stop. It's one thing to think about killing everyone, its another thing entirely, to enjoy the idea.

Now for goth.

*anti religious- doesn't matter, I'm Catholic myself
*skeptical of superstitious claims- who isn't?
*Dark minded- what exactly is dark minded by your definition? Also it really doesn't matter in the least bit, except for the purpose of quenching my personal curiosity
*Morbid mentality- again what is your personal definition of that? also again it doesn't matter. Frankly kind of sounds sort of stupid.
*extremely nice to your friends- Now this is some useful information for helping us get to know you, this is the kind of stuff that a whole paragraph of your intro could be dedicated to.

*music-I personally don't like metal anymore, used to, not anymore. All metal really has nothing to do with goth, you can listen to it if you want to, wont make you any more or less of a goth. If you really want to know about goth, check out the wikipedia page on it, it's quite accurate.

*Hobbies- what sort of video games do you like? what sort of movies do you like? There are plenty of philosophical discussions that happen here. Some members here appreciate cross dressing, not myself though.

But anyways welcome

Spooky Spencer · 08-13-2011, 09:51 AM

Psst... you forgot the 13 + one questions.

Also, I'm not the newbie anymore... thanks. Okay, well, not the newest newbie. Still new, but not as new as you...

I'm going to shut up now.

Grausamkeit · 08-13-2011, 10:46 AM

Hey n00b, quit harassing n00bs!

Actually, I don't care.

I'm kind of curious what the 'morbid mentality' is, as well. Does he visit death sites and read about autopsies and crime scenes? Does he preserve creepy insects? Fetuses? What is morbid?

Ren, I think you're going a bit overboard. He didn't say anything in his intro about metal being Goth. And you can actually make a connection between the darkness of black & death metal being tied into the darkness and occult side of goth music if one really wanted to.

Condemned · 08-13-2011, 05:33 PM

Renatus, did I ever say "I want to kill everyone!"? Find a quote in my short introduction that supports your outrageous assertion. Your other criticisms are just as inaccurate. I don't know if I should consider your comments as trolling or extreme criticism that is not needed.

Alan · 08-13-2011, 05:39 PM

I was also wondering where Renatus got all that, but then I looked for your one other post

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Originally Posted by Condemned

I despise the general public too. They're always staring and making retarded comments. I would kill most of them if I could, but I can't...

Condemned · 08-13-2011, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Grausamkeit

Hey n00b, quit harassing n00bs!

Actually, I don't care.

I'm kind of curious what the 'morbid mentality' is, as well. Does he visit death sites and read about autopsies and crime scenes? Does he preserve creepy insects? Fetuses? What is morbid?

Well, I do visit death sites sometimes. I also visit cemeteries. I usually just prefer grotesque and "evil" scenarios as some call them. Basically, I'm not all about sunshine and bright colors and family oriented things like the mainstream culture is, yet it still makes me happy. Colorful scenes and "positive" or "good" things sometimes depresses me. I would preserve an alien fetus if I could find one. Human fetuses are boring.

Condemned · 08-13-2011, 05:45 PM

Yes, I did say that in another thread, but he wasn't specific when he mentioned it. It shouldn't matter anyways. I'm not dumb enough to get myself locked in prison. To me, it's not worth it to go to prison because of some people that annoy me.

Spooky Spencer · 08-13-2011, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Condemned

Colorful scenes and "positive" or "good" things sometimes depresses me.

Right there with you. Enjoying "dark" places and touring cemeteries shouldn't be considered weird, but it goes against what mundanes are taught, that anything not sunshine and rainbows must be bad.

Once upon a time, most people (so I'm told) believed that cemeteries and visiting their loved ones was a celebration of life. Nowadays, the mundanes think that funerals are actually for the dead.

Alan · 08-13-2011, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Condemned

Yes, I did say that in another thread, but he wasn't specific when he mentioned it. It shouldn't matter anyways. I'm not dumb enough to get myself locked in prison. To me, it's not worth it to go to prison because of some people that annoy me.

So your only deterrent is the repercussions, not that it is fucking stupid to kill someone because you believe you're somehow superior to them? It's ironic that you think THEY are 'retarded'.

Condemned · 08-13-2011, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan

So your only deterrent is the repercussions, not that it is fucking stupid to kill someone because you believe you're somehow superior to them? It's ironic that you think THEY are 'retarded'.

People who make biased judgments of me according to my appearance aren't retarded? Let's see:

1. I don't waste my time making idiotic comments about others' appearances.

2. I don't stare like an idiot. I worry about my own business.

3. Appearance doesn't necessarily establish who someone is, but some think otherwise.

As you can see, those are the people I despise. Yes, anyone who violates those three points intentionally to annoy or insult me is a retard and ultimately an asshole. Those are the people I would like to kill, but I can't and I'm fine with it. I have more important things to worry about. I never injected this topic into my introduction, yet here you are ranting about it. This thread is a fucking introduction. Is there anymore bullshit you would like to complain about? Let me know when you're ready to drop it and move on. I'd like to actually fulfill the purpose of my introduction for once, but none of your comments help.

Alan · 08-13-2011, 10:09 PM

I guess you like numbers, so I'll do this the same way.

1) You didn't say you hated THAT kind of people. You said you hated the 'general public'. That's verbatim. So you bitch about people making biased judgments because of your appearance, yet you hypocritically have no problem judging the whole fucking world WITHOUT even having appearance as basis for your judgment?

2) You still think it's alright to kill people who *gasp* make fun of you, and yet you think THEY are the assholes.

3) This thread IS a fucking introduction. And in it you have decided to proclaim that you would have no problem with murder to people who are mean to you (boo hoo) if it weren't because of repercussions. You're either a sociopath, or a very whiny bitch. We ain't got time for the likes of you. Grow up.

Condemned · 08-13-2011, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan

I guess you like numbers, so I'll do this the same way.

1) You didn't say you hated THAT kind of people. You said you hated the 'general public'. That's verbatim. So you bitch about people making biased judgments because of your appearance, yet you hypocritically have no problem judging the whole fucking world WITHOUT even having appearance as basis for your judgment?

2) You still think it's alright to kill people who *gasp* make fun of you, and yet you think THEY are the assholes.

3) This thread IS a fucking introduction. And in it you have decided to proclaim that you would have no problem with murder to people who are mean to you (boo hoo) if it weren't because of repercussions. You're either a sociopath, or a very whiny bitch. We ain't got time for the likes of you. Grow up.

Answers:

1. Exactly. The people who make the comments are usually part of the general public. There's no hypocrisy here.

2. Yeah, I think so. In my opinion, you're being an asshole as well.

3. Nope. I never proclaimed it in the initial post. Someone else brought it in here by mentioning it (different post, different thread), then YOU decided to talk about it as well. You're still bitching about it. I could be a sociopath and you could be the whiny bitch who refuses to shut the fuck up about a measly topic that at least one person (me) wishes to drop.

Stop wasting my time.

KissMeDeadly · 08-14-2011, 01:04 AM

Oh I do so love the feisty ones. Delicious.

Grausamkeit · 08-14-2011, 10:24 AM

Ren, sorry hun. I missed that remark in the other thread. You were right.

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Originally Posted by Alan

I guess you like numbers, so I'll do this the same way.

1) You didn't say you hated THAT kind of people. You said you hated the 'general public'. That's verbatim. So you bitch about people making biased judgments because of your appearance, yet you hypocritically have no problem judging the whole fucking world WITHOUT even having appearance as basis for your judgment?

2) You still think it's alright to kill people who *gasp* make fun of you, and yet you think THEY are the assholes.

3) This thread IS a fucking introduction. And in it you have decided to proclaim that you would have no problem with murder to people who are mean to you (boo hoo) if it weren't because of repercussions. You're either a sociopath, or a very whiny bitch. We ain't got time for the likes of you. Grow up.

Oh, Jill. If there was ever anything that made me doubt your awesomeness this erases it completely.

Condemned, you are being unreasonble. Defending the idea that killing the general public is a perfectly okay notion to have is beyond stupid. People like you who want to seem 'scary' and 'sociopathic' so that normal people fear Goths or just loners are the reason that most of the general public despises us. I'll be ass-r4ped with a tulip before I let the likes of you think that you are a Goth and go around making the majority of us look like whiny little douchebags who want to destroy the fucking world. Grow the fuck up and get over your paper-thin skin. If you can't handle people looking at you funny for choosing to dress differently than the rest of the world, then dress like everyone else!

Don't bitch about us bitching about your posts. Most of us have been around long enough to be tired and fed up with being associatd with mouth-breathing wankers on a megalomaniacal bent.

Condemned · 08-14-2011, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Grausamkeit

Ren, sorry hun. I missed that remark in the other thread. You were right.

Oh, Jill. If there was ever anything that made me doubt your awesomeness this erases it completely.

Condemned, you are being unreasonble. Defending the idea that killing the general public is a perfectly okay notion to have is beyond stupid. People like you who want to seem 'scary' and 'sociopathic' so that normal people fear Goths or just loners are the reason that most of the general public despises us. I'll be ass-r4ped with a tulip before I let the likes of you think that you are a Goth and go around making the majority of us look like whiny little douchebags who want to destroy the fucking world. Grow the fuck up and get over your paper-thin skin. If you can't handle people looking at you funny for choosing to dress differently than the rest of the world, then dress like everyone else!

Don't bitch about us bitching about your posts. Most of us have been around long enough to be tired and fed up with being associatd with mouth-breathing wankers on a megalomaniacal bent.

That's your opinion. This introduction isn't even about my other post. That post is entirely irrelevant to this thread, yet someone decides to bring it in here and cause trouble. Don't point the finger at me. We all have our own subjective views and there's nothing anyone can do about that. The irrelevant statement regarding the general public is my opinion, your statement regarding mine being "beyond stupid" is your opinion.

No facts have been demonstrated in this thread. I simply made my introduction, excluded irrelevancies, and now I'm having to respond to people who make the choice to change the subject of this thread by injecting it with unnecessary assertions that have absolutely no basis on objectivity whatsoever.

My feelings towards particular people are no more wrong nor right than any of yours. If you wish to continue changing my introduction into an argument, please prove that your objections are correct. If you or anyone else cannot do so, drop it and let the introduction proceed. Any questions?

Spooky Spencer · 08-14-2011, 09:35 PM

::raises hand::

Is there anyone that's happy on your planet?

Condemned · 08-14-2011, 09:44 PM

Yes. What about yours?

Alan · 08-14-2011, 09:44 PM

Opinions are not all the same, dipshit. Thinking that you can kill anyone you want is not on the same level as my opinion that chocolate is the best ice cream flavor.

If you're going to post wannabe-postmodernist relativistic bullshit, make sure you're not whining to someone that actually studied postmodernism.

Condemned · 08-14-2011, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan

Opinions are not all the same, dipshit. Thinking that you can kill anyone you want is not on the same level as my opinion that chocolate is the best ice cream flavor.

If you're going to post wannabe-postmodernist relativistic bullshit, make sure you're not whining to someone that actually studied postmodernism.

Anyone I want? Does that include friends? I'd never do such a thing. I never even said I'd kill anyone I want. Anyways, I've already stated at least thrice that my feelings towards certain people are irrelevant in this introduction. Other people decided to drag that topic in here anyways, now you're doing it.

Is there anyone else who wishes to join Alan and the others on their non-stop rant? I dropped the topic long ago, but I'm not so sure the rest are ready or even willing to.

Anyways, yeah, opinions are not all the same. Does that mean some are right? According to dictionary definitions and simple logic, facts are what establish whether something is true or untrue, not opinions.

I never wanted to bring a logical or philosophical argument here, but I will include this:

Opinion - a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

There you go. Are we done?

Alan · 08-14-2011, 09:55 PM

It's in this introduction that you defended your feelings of killing people, instead of you know, just saying "yeah, it was a hyperbolic statement".
So you can't even hide behind that bullshit, kid, because while it was on another thread that you said you wish you could kill most people, it's in THIS ONE that you said you WOULD if you could get away with it.

Fuck you, kid.

Condemned · 08-14-2011, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan

It's in this introduction that you defended your feelings of killing people, instead of you know, just saying "yeah, it was a hyperbolic statement".
So you can't even hide behind that bullshit, kid, because while it was on another thread that you said you wish you could kill most people, it's in THIS ONE that you said you WOULD if you could get away with it.

Fuck you, kid.

I'm not hiding behind anything at all. Are you suggesting that I have no right to defend my feelings when they're criticized? You're defending your feelings right now and I haven't even attempted to deprive you of your right to do so, yet you're trying to suggest that my feelings are wrong. What justification do you have for the bullshit you're saying?

By the way, fuck you too. Your argument seems to indicate that you are either a kid or an ignorant adult. Either way, one can be just as irritating as the other.

Alan · 08-14-2011, 10:06 PM

So, if you had the option, would you kill me?

Condemned · 08-14-2011, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan

So, if you had the option, would you kill me?

Really...? Are you seriously asking me that? -_-

No. I would not kill you and I have reasons for not doing so, one of them being the fact that all you've done is waste my time with petty arguing. However, I would kill you if you tried to kill me or if you tried to kill anyone I know. Besides all of that, my answer still stands due to the low probability of those circumstances.

Yeah, a bit descriptive, but the answer is basically no.

Alan · 08-14-2011, 10:16 PM

And in no part was your reason "because I can't ethically take someone's life"

Why would you kill 'mainstream' people but not me?
Can't you just fucking say that it was stupid for you to think you should be allowed to KILL?