Abortion is murder - Page 11

Saya · 12-19-2008, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by AshtrayKitten

A myth. The planet can support billions more people. Overpopulation is convenient reasoning for keeping the developing world down.

The planet can, some countries can, some countries can't. China can't, Canada is desperate for more people.

Ms.Crowbar · 12-19-2008, 09:35 AM

I'm Pro-Minding-your-own-buisness.
Seriously. If a woman wants to abort, then fucking let her. You don't have any right to tell her that she can't do what she thinks is right.
Condoms split, pills don't always work.
I'm pretty sure I've posted in this forum already....

JCC · 12-19-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Ms.Crowbar

I'm Pro-Minding-your-own-buisness.
Seriously. If a woman wants to abort, then fucking let her. You don't have any right to tell her that she can't do what she thinks is right.
Condoms split, pills don't always work.
I'm pretty sure I've posted in this forum already....

Then you're pro-choice.

masquerade · 12-20-2008, 08:02 PM

I'm Pro-choice to an extent.

After the 2nd trimester it's iffy for me. I refuse to believe you hadn't made up your mind in that many weeks if you wanted a child or not.

Other than that kill what you want, but don't use an excuse to fuck to find someone to love you and then complain b/c you once again got knocked up.

It shouldn't be used as birthcontrol, but it should be used to keep certain people from breeding.

Vivi · 12-21-2008, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by masquerade

It shouldn't be used as birthcontrol, but it should be used to keep certain people from breeding.

I couldnt agree more! Some people are like a plague to our world. A plague worse than the black death. Most of these are uncultured, unthinking philistines incapable of individual thought. If we could remove these people, the world would be so much better.

LadyMonochrome · 12-21-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Vivi

I couldnt agree more! Some people are like a plague to our world. A plague worse than the black death. Most of these are uncultured, unthinking philistines incapable of individual thought. If we could remove these people, the world would be so much better.

Like a certain woman whose family is on TLC for having, like, 18 kids or something like that. I don't know about you but if I were her doctor, I probably would've tied her tubes during one of her C sections and not told her...

masquerade · 12-21-2008, 02:52 PM

Hahaha. I don't know how you'd have that many kids without atleast contemplating suicide everyday.

LadyMonochrome · 12-21-2008, 03:34 PM

They single-handedly worsened the issue of overpopulation in the U.S >.>

masquerade · 12-21-2008, 03:43 PM

Are they on any fertility drugs? Or are they just popping out 20 kids one at at time?

LadyMonochrome · 12-21-2008, 03:49 PM

One, or two, at a time >.> They're uber-religious, so I don't think they're on fertility drugs..

Wormboy · 12-21-2008, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AshtrayKitten

Abortion is murder

Murder (noun) -

Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law.

Abortion is legal, as such no, it is not murder.

Raptor · 12-22-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by AshtrayKitten

Murder was an inaccurate choice of words on my part, since the killing of humans isn't necessarily illegal (such as in executions). Replace it with 'murder' with 'homicide.'

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my dark anus · 12-23-2008, 06:33 PM

I could not care less what some devoid slut does with her nasty little fetus. Not all life is precious.

Underwater Ophelia · 12-23-2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by my dark anus

I could not care less what some devoid slut does with her nasty little fetus. Not all life is precious.

That was just a useless statement.
Why would you even waste your time?

my dark anus · 12-23-2008, 06:46 PM

Why would I not waste my time? Killing them when they are a fetus is the best time to kill them... nobody will miss them except for their mother, and she is one that decided to do it anyway.

Good for her.

Just say no to ripped saggy vagina and bloody blue babies.

badteccy · 12-24-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by my dark anus

Why would I not waste my time? Killing them when they are a fetus is the best time to kill them... nobody will miss them except for their mother, and she is one that decided to do it anyway.

Good for her.

Just say no to ripped saggy vagina and bloody blue babies.

You aren't offensive or edgy.

ilex89 · 12-24-2008, 07:48 PM

I would never abort my own fetus, simply because I know I would feel guilty about it for the rest of my life.

That could have been my kid, you know?

But I still think that abortion should be legal because people will do it anyways, at the hands of inexperienced practitioners and at higher risk of malpractice. Under such circumstances, you wind up with a lot of the mothers dead as well as fetuses.

Hmm...maybe some people would see that as justice?

my dark anus · 12-25-2008, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by badteccy

You aren't offensive or edgy.

I am not trying to be "offensive or edgy."

That is how I feel about unborn creatures - they have absolutely no value to me. You have your opinion, I have mine. Why does everything have to be "offensive or edgy" with you silly little goths?

Underwater Ophelia · 12-25-2008, 10:36 AM

She isn't goth, dumbass.

badteccy · 12-25-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by my dark anus

I am not trying to be "offensive or edgy."

That is how I feel about unborn creatures - they have absolutely no value to me. You have your opinion, I have mine. Why does everything have to be "offensive or edgy" with you silly little goths?

Lulz, I'm not even goth.

Oh, thanks Ophie.

Loz · 12-28-2008, 06:02 AM

If a mother had a child that was the result of ****, then she should be allowed to abort if she wanted. Imagine the kid finding out; or it could grow up with the mother resenting it.

People that have unwanted pregancies, and don't have the money to support the children should abort as well, or use protection. Even then, there's always a chance that the contraception fails; and there are families that keep on having more and more kids they can't afford, so they get benefits which are paid for by people that do have a job. There is also a culture in parts of the UK for teenagers to get pregant, quit school and live off the state whle doing nothing with their lives. I know some might want to go back to school, but don't have the support, however these people are few compared to the majority. The kids that are brought up by them are more likely to grow up as petty criminals and then the cycle continues.

In a worst (or best) scenario, depending on your views, some people should not be allowed to have children.

vja110570 · 01-10-2009, 09:54 AM

The problem that I have always seen with this issue is the fact that it has no place in politics. It has no place as an issue, either. Legally, a child that is still in the womb, if unable to survive if disconnected from the mother, is considered both an extension of the mother and as a parasite feeding on the mother. Does the removal of a tapeworm or a non-essential internal organ also count as murder? One must also take into account the many cases in which young girls are ***** and left pregnant. At an age like that, natural childbirth would quite literally rip the mother in half. On the other hand, a Cesarian Section is one of the most expensive medical procedures that can be performed. If the family has no money, yet don't want their daughter to die, the only logical action is to get an abortion, which is considerably cheaper than the alternatives.

To go along with the appendage theory, does nobody have a say in what they can do to their own body? What if the mother never wanted a child? To put a child up for adoption is to leave it in the care of less-than-kosher caretakers until they are old enough to understand that they were unwanted, thus living the rest of their lives feeling abandoned, inferior, and undeserving. In the end, they may end up wishing they'd never been born anyway.

I feel that abortion should be legalized completely for the people who don't want a child. If you feel that the child was 'murdered', then you can go have a child yourself. Leave the politics of the Bible out of it. Live and let live.

vja110570 · 01-10-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sir Canvas Corpsey

Humans murder each other all the time just like animals kills each other, funnily enough it's because despite all our evolution and hype about our selves, we're still animals.

Murder is just another way of saying kill but aside from its' meaning it has an intention; trying to help convince us a collective species and community that we're above primal instincts and some higher form than the rest of nature.

Aha! But there is a reason for killing within our species!

Simply put, there are too many of us and we have no more natural predators. Evolution occurs in the mind as well as the body. We're being slowly hardwired into becoming our own predators.

Simply put.

aisehino · 07-21-2012, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Velma Velvet

I wonder. Are there people here who are for abortion and don't care whether it's murder or not?

That would be me.

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Originally Posted by AshtrayKitten

Perhaps you mean 'potential person' ? A zygote, fetus, infant, teen and adult all fall under the category of human in addition to being alive. There is no point in a human being's development when s/he is not alive.

I'll ask, at what point do you believe the cellular mass becomes a human, and is there a point at which abortion is unacceptable?

When the fetus is truly viable. Otherwise every miscarriage is a death.
Until then, it is a parasite.

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Originally Posted by AshtrayKitten

(That first part raises another question, namely that if baby were born prematurely, would killing it not be murder?)

In Australia at least, no. It would be infanticide. This has a 1/5 of the penalty of murder, clearly indicating a difference in the view between fetus and person. Hell, this would apply up to 12 months.
(Law student in me got out).

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Originally Posted by Alarica

Without the option of abortion, there would be twice as many unwanted children being left abandoned on door steps and in orphanages. Be they perfectly healthy babies or severely disabled ones. Look at articles on chinese orphanages and decide if abortion is wrong, but leaving living children in a room to die is humane. I know which i'd prefer to have happened

This is why, regardless of whether it is "murder" or not, I am okay with abortion. Which is worse for a person, being killed before consciousness develops, being left in a dumpster (with the ability to feel pain), a life the social system (from personal experience, that fucks kids up) or being raised by a mother who a)didn't want or b) couldn't handle a child?

If the mother is not in a situation to handle having a child, and that includes financially, mentally... then it is better imo not to bring a child in to that.

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Originally Posted by AshtrayKitten

Are people on life support not alive?

If no harm is being done, what's wrong with it? I ask out of curiosity.

I'd like it called what it is, or could be. The current mishmash of arguments supporting abortion includes the assertion that no life is being taken, which I disagree with.

Do we call pulling life support murder?

Didn't read the rest of the thread.

Given_Flesh_by_Sophia · 08-03-2012, 05:18 PM

Eclipsing the Son, you had me at Bill Hicks