Satanist: Anton Szandor LaVey

[rockandrose]

I think that Satanism is focused more on onself rather than on a God, which in this case there is none. So, people naturally would be in a skeptic nature to think the followers of Satanism are of devil believers.

[Blushing Heliophobe]

The way my hubby explained it to me is that they use the symbol of Satan - one who does what they feel like doing, a master of his/her own universe. What was explained to me is that many Satanist do not believe in Satan, but they admire the path chosen by him...(could be wrong, any die hard Satanists out there, this is just my understanding of it!)

[rockandrose]

In that sense, my understanding is that the follower is their own "God" and such core beliefs that allows you to abide by "self-indulging" and only "loving" those who deserved to be loved. These beliefs generally does go against the beliefs in other religions, which may struck other religion believers to be mortified.

[LightPollution07]

I honestly think people look down on satanists because they're ignorant and closed-minded. Its similar to a lot of other religions

[Hirsipuutarhuri]

Satanists or guys who worship Satan?
Two different things wich one?

Ok Im tired maybe I go to bed...

[Godslayer Jillian]

Ok, here's the oppinion of a satanist about LaVey
He really IS a scam, but that's what makes it so awesome.
He made no satanic bible, he made no principles, except because they wanted him to do something that could sell.
The satanic sins and principles were actually taken from the book of Dr. Moriarti something, another book I don't remember (pardon this part, I was in a hurry when I fuond this, hehe) and basic human nature.
If you look at the satanic principles, you'll see that they're basically common sense, with a little more animalistic laws.
I consider myself a satanist, more than anything, because their principles are the simple human nature. Why would someone fix their lives in impossible standards? But also, there's the spiritual life (because satanism is very materialistic), in that aspect I'm becoming a Thelemite, but htat's another story.
LaVey himself was not really a good person. As I said, all his principles are basically human nature, but as you can see, they have a feral justice and primal pleasures. This is because of LaVey's sadistic nature. Maybe he was a genius, but still, I won't respect him because of what he did. He abused of his wife, and try to find a very "interesting" incident that happened to LaVey's cat.
I actually felt sorry for him. He was very childish actually

[Godslayer Jillian]

Let me rephrase some part of the last paragraph.
I won't respect LaVey. He was brutal to his wife. And everyone interested in him, either to see the good in him or the bad in him, try to search for a very "interesting" incident between LaVey and his little cat.
The poor cat was never the same afterwards

[ExistentialDisorder]

I read the satanic bible, written/compiled/whatever by LaVey over 12 years ago. I found it to be extremely interesting, at that time. It has some very basic, common sense points in it. It has virtually nothing to do with worshiping anybody or anything. The basic idea of the entire satanic bible is to live your life to its fullest potential now because you only get one shot at it. Do what you want, how you want. Don't harm another individual unless they harm you first.

Christians live their life in mourning, basically, waiting to be accepted into the gates of heaven, because that is when they'll get to party and enjoy everything. Satanists believe the party is now, and that with death comes the pain and suffering, if anything at all.

There is a huge difference between Satanists and Satanic Occultists. It's the occultists that run around causing harm to people, animals and property. These are not LaVeyan satanists.

Religion - regardless of what beliefs and practices it consists of - is a very dangerous thing. But at the same time, people as a whole need religion in order to cary on with life. They have to have something to believe in, whatever that something is. They have to have some sense of greater purpose and guidance. Some sort of end goal, in order for all of this to make any sense. Otherwise I don't believe the human race would survive.

You have to believe in something, or you'll fall for everything. Even atheists believe in something.

[Circle V]

"It takes a lot faith not to believe in God."

That's either a quote or something I just made up. I'm not quite sure.

[WolfMoon]

Originally Posted by Mael

Actually, seen as I'm the local deity here, you're all going to Heck (Minimum security Hell for misdemeanors) for blabbing about the carpenter and the fallen chicken wings.



Now pray with me:

Our brother,
who art in the pub
drinks are on thy name
thy beer doth come
I know not where from
if from the bottle (stubbie)
or if from tap
give us our nightly booze
forgive the times we puke on others
as they forgive the times we puke on them
lead us not to rehabilitation
deliver us from the A-A-Amen

Bless me

Truly Divine, babe!

[bitter_beauty]

Originally Posted by polished_wolf_claws

Anton Levay is a bald, abusive fuck with a gimmick. I don't care if he was the leader of the satanic church...

Anton Levay Legend and Reality

...Even his Beloved Church speaks of this as truth.

so fuck Levay.... and fuck anyone who thinks he was something more than what he really was: a Fake.

i am fully aware that you are entitled to your own opinion...as am I...LaVey was a genious and maybe some of the things he did were OTT but only because they differed from the norm
i am a satasnist and dissapointed that he died before I met him
please do try to get his name right as well when you slag the dead man off
maybe if you had met him you would have felt different about him..?
do not rely on what the church of satan say about him either...have your own free will

[Nemesion]

I have been a LaVeyan Satanist for two years. I have never agreed with everything he's said and I've never been a spokesperson for Satanism. To me, Satanism is a hatred of the Christian dogma that I was brought up with and a condensation of the writings of Nietzsche and the Romantics. I've always thought it to be more a philosophy than a religion.

[Godslayer Jillian]

yup, it is

[Godslayer Jillian]

Well, not the hatred to christianity. Maybe satanists don't like them (me neither, thanks to my schoolteachers ) but it's not as if we hate them

[ExistentialDisorder]

I think LaVey was more of a realist, while christians and other religions live more in a fantasy world filled with myths, fables and legends. Their beliefs don't make them right or wrong, just different from yours or mine. So hate should have nothing to do with it. I never became a follower of LaVey because I didn't agree completely with what he was trying to teach, or preach. I've never agreed completely with the religious beliefs or ways of life of any religion, which is why I've never claimed to be of any specific religion. I don't think you can be whole-heartedly part of a religion when there are aspects of it that you disagree with, regardless of what they are.

[ThinkDifferent]

Logic and science are pure, untainted. When used as a catalasyt of study they reveal religions to be nothing more then flawed ideology. Stanism rejects the concept of reciprocal altruism and intsead dictates that its followers must indulge at the cost of others. Such stupidity well lead an individual no where in our social world. Chrisitanity dictates that one sould open his heart to love of the divine and to love of his fellow man no matter the cost. Although the principle teachings of christianity are the opposite extreme they are just as flawed. Prosperity is the single most important function of man second only to survival. Sacrifice of self without reciprocity is illogical. All giving of self is in the guise of self intrest. Life is a balanced and can not be governed by absolutes.

[ExistentialDisorder]

Originally Posted by ThinkDifferent

Stanism... dictates that its followers must indulge at the cost of others.

Where do you get this from? I don't remember reading anything that suggested this in the satanic bible. There are some self-proclaimed current and/or former satanists here. Perhaps they can elaborate?

[Godslayer Jillian]

Yeah, actually that's one of the principles. "when walking in open fiel, bother no one..." there's another part, but that's not the important one, what's important is that although you should do anything to get what you want, if it harms others, they have complete right to destroy you so satanists don't bother others.
It would be extremely hypocritical if, being revenge one of the factors in the religion, we didn't care what happened to others

[Godslayer Jillian]

But it's so easy to see the faults in others, besides that part, which is not an important one in what you were trying to say if I understood correctly, I concur with you

[ThinkDifferent]

Did I tell you to govern your life by science and logic? No! "When used as a catalayst of study."

[ThinkDifferent]

You misunderstood me completly. I was not speaking of science as a whole, I was speaking of the scientific method of study. Social morality has been studied and conclusions have been drawn. If you want me to elaborate-just ask or see Origins of Virtue.

Second, I said life cannot be goverened by absolutes.

Govern:regulate, bring into conformity with rules or principles or usage; impose regulations; "We cannot regulate the way people dress"; "This town likes to regulate"

By "Life cannot be goverend by absolutes" it is implied (see above) that you sould not conduct or live your life by an absolute principle or polar extreme of morality.

Third, "all giving is in the guise of self intrest". I do not feel like explaining the selfish gene theory but either accept that it has been proven or educate yourself on the subject and prove otherwise.

[Soul_Immortal]

A true giver gives first and foremost so that others may have.

[ThinkDifferent]

Theres no such thing.

[Bathory]

As they sey there is no selfless act, but that needant be a bad thing.

[Soul_Immortal]

Originally Posted by ThinkDifferent

Theres no such thing.

Uhh...yes there is. What makes you think there isn't?