Satanist: Anton Szandor LaVey

[Metatron]

...Because the devil was introduced into the church around 500 AD, as I remember; long after the Old Testament was written. I'll try and find the source.

[Godslayer Jillian]

Yeah, Christianity is basically made up by an amalgam of other religions.
Zoroastrianism (about 6000 B.C.) says their messiah will be born from a virgin, and the zoroatrianist priests are called wise men
Halos come from the Egyptians sun disks, and maybe Set evolved into Satan.
Hel is the Nordic demigod in the underworld, wasn't she?
And even the image we give to God is the same as Zeus

[Blushing Heliophobe]

I just finished a mythology book and Hel is indeed the ruler of the underworld...I am very curious as to which terminology was coined first...

[Sanctus Dei]

Santarea..
I could be wrong but I'm under the impression only man was made in the image of god and therefore are his beloved children aka. lowly workers who never see the boss... the angels, company execs... yep.

That being said, I'm not sure I could hold any belief in supposed "historic" stories written by men who could or could not be taking things out of context and adding their own idea of truth. Although, theology is interesting... it's contradictions alone are fun to research.

[Blushing Heliophobe]

Sanctus - it is funny when you re-read the Bible and read just what's there. Certain things that are taken for granted ie - one creation story, an apple in Eden, 3 wise men, etc are actually not even in there. I wonder that if we can miss so much on the black and white physical details - how much are we missing on the original message? One part of me thinks, we'll never know. The other part of me hopes that there is something left to salvage, but you can't let what people say should be in there get in the way of what really is in there, you know? Just my own inner ramblings.

[Sanctus Dei]

The read between the lines to understand the deeper meaning of it all idea... yes? What I take from that is the lesson of shame, humility, trust perhaps even love? But my issues are not based on my own understanding of the stories... just that of others.

[Blushing Heliophobe]

Rog, 10-4.

[Lone_Freak]

Originally Posted by Queenofdarkness57

What's the difference btween satan and devil? I'm always confused.

There both fake like barney and the taco bell dog

[Metatron]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

Yeah, Christianity is basically made up by an amalgam of other religions.
Zoroastrianism (about 6000 B.C.) says their messiah will be born from a virgin, and the zoroatrianist priests are called wise men
Halos come from the Egyptians sun disks, and maybe Set evolved into Satan.
Hel is the Nordic demigod in the underworld, wasn't she?
And even the image we give to God is the same as Zeus

I had to write a paper in 10th grade about the similarities between Pagan religions and Christianity...I got an A on it, so it's pretty good; but it goes into different creation myths and how Christianity's version is just a copy. I can email it to you if you'd like.

[Lone_Freak]

Originally Posted by Xnguela

But Barney's real!

She meant according to theology, kid. What's the theological, textually supported difference between the entities?

Ok then, I shall use the all-powerful wikipedia...

[Lone_Freak]

Originally Posted by Xnguela

So that you don't have to actually read anything.

You know, you're 13. You have the whole world ahead of you. Your absolute inability to be open-minded to the knowledge books can offer makes me sad for your entire generation.

But Santarea beat you to the "difference" definition. Just read the thread. Yeah. You should usually do that before you post to avoid redundancies.

Wikipeda is a online book, ass clown.

[Godslayer Jillian]

To Blushing Heliophobe: I think Hel was first. The catholic underworld is called Inferno
To Metatron: Please do
To Xnguela: Don't make fun of Wikipedia, it's awesome to begin a research
To Lone_Freak: Xnguela and Santarea are right, Wikipedia is not an online book, and it's better to research
To Santarea: I just have to tell you how sweet are you

[pixisticks]

hey didn't he die?
or am i think of a nother satanist leader?
question i heard that satanist don't belive in god or the devil the belive in the power in side of people the depper evil.
or some thing like that, but then again my sorse could have been trying to get attentchen.

[Godslayer Jillian]

Indeed, LaVey has aleady died (never had the chance of meeting him *sigh*)
He even accorded that they should forge him a death certificate that indicated he died on Halloween
And, pixisticks, there's no reason why you shouldn't write correctly.
And no, we don't believe in god or the devil (I sort of do, but not that god and that devil)

[Circle V]

Originally Posted by Xnguela

Ooh, what's a depper evil?

Does it have to do with sinning with Johnny Depp?



https://www.gothic.net/boards/showth...9&page=1&pp=50

This thread may answer your question, most specifically this post:

https://www.gothic.net/boards/showpo...9&postcount=50

It explains the pillars of the Satanist religion.

Ooo! My post was linked to by Xnguela!

[Godslayer Jillian]

Now I'm jealous

[Eforce]

Originally Posted by Metatron

I had to write a paper in 10th grade about the similarities between Pagan religions and Christianity...I got an A on it, so it's pretty good; but it goes into different creation myths and how Christianity's version is just a copy. I can email it to you if you'd like.

Can you send it to me? if it's not a problem obviously... but it seems interesting

[mydnyght]

i thank you all for your personalized insight...though i am Pagan, i fell all paths have some truth, and that all are to be treated with dignity. dark blessings

[Psi]

This seems like a very great thread. I have read, for the most part, all of the posts on page 1 and 2.

My religion, is a hybrid, so to speak, I get it from a few different religions. I used to be a Satanist, currently a member of The Temple of The Vampire, and went to a catholic school since I was around 3 years old.

I have read the Vampiric bible, all works published by LaVeY, and the Holy Bible (forced to at school). Ever since I was young, around 10, I was positive god didn't exist. I have always looked more towards philisophy. I saw through all of the lies the christian church had, and how much of a hypocrite all of them were. I started studying satanism at age 11, as it intrigued me.

As a formal satanist (I still believe in some of their philisophies), I can tell you that LaVey WAS a scam. Satanism is a very great religion (I see it as more of a philisophy than a religion), but LaVey tried to monopolize on it.

I have questioned existance for a while, but I came to the conclusion that it cannot be proved that existance exists or doesn't (heh, made me chuckle a bit "existance exists"). But many people have their own definition of existance, so that depends. You can't exactly define existance, either, and I'm sure your definition will differ from the person sitting next to you.

I believe that every person has control over their subconscious, and can manipulate the world in a way (or atleast I think I am able to). That is where my religion sort of branches off from all others, which is the main reason I belong to none. You can define that manipulation as magick, I guess, not exactly sure how to explain it. You can fufill it using magick if you wanted, it could be the exact same thing, maybe magick is really just reaching into your subconscious...

But all in all, I can tell you, LaVey was a scam. He was a very smart man, but very childish.

[Restless Dead]

After reading your post I went to look up the 'Temple of the vampire' because I had never heard of it before. After I had a good look around the site, I thought the whole thing sounded like an elaborate money-making scam, and then I read

Those with the in-born Potential who have followed the simple steps required by the Authors of the Temple literature (Who are also the Sponsors of this Temple) discover that the Teachings are true.

Those who lack that Potential fruitlessly try to find loopholes and ways to avoid following the required steps.

Once i had finished laughing I thought it sounded even more like a money making scam.

So I thought i would search on the net for more information on these guys, and see what others thought.

http://www.the600club.com/showthread...al&Number=9518 was what I found (sorry the article itself is too long to post here).

This seems to be the over-riding opinion of most people. I guess none of us must have the 'potential' then.

Sceptically yours,
Restless

[Godslayer Jillian]

Yes, psi, I have already talked about how LaVey isn't a prophet or anything, but just a man who found a way to make money, and how he was very cruel. And I hope you don't really believe the things of the Temple of the Vampyre. You do know the members of the Church of Satan, such as Peter H. Gilmore, make fun of their church, right? So this temple is not serious.

[Psi]

Yes, I am aware of that. I was just trying to show my wide "study" of different "religions". Satanism and the temple of the vampire do have some very similiar beliefs, though. Maybe I should have clarified the "member", if you purchase their bible, you are considered a "member".

[Psi]

Yeah, I can easily see the flaws in their religion. Athiest is the route for me.

lol

[WolfMoon]

You can't exactly define existance, either, and I'm sure your definition will differ from the person sitting next to you.


Uh, I think, therefore I am.

[Sobeh]

Originally Posted by WolfMoon

Uh, I think, therefore I am.

Gah!!! Not the Cogito!!

I hate that thing - that one line has caused so much division and dualism and led to so many social ills.... damn you, Rene, damn youuuuu!!

...seriously.