Gothic Discrimination in School

[Albert Mond]

Originally Posted by Becca_Lugosi

In the 7th grade, in a public school, I wore a T-shirt that read "Make 7" on the front and "Up Yours" on the back. I was suspended for 10 days.

But in the 5th grade at a Catholic school [cry for me], I wore fishnets, cowboy boots, and a dress that barely covered my ass, and the [female] principal loved it.

Amusing.
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[Underwater Ophelia]

Originally Posted by Becca_Lugosi

Off topic, but still on the topic of the bullshit-ness that are dress codes.

In the 7th grade, in a public school, I wore a T-shirt that read "Make 7" on the front and "Up Yours" on the back. I was suspended for 10 days.

But in the 5th grade at a Catholic school [cry for me], I wore fishnets, cowboy boots, and a dress that barely covered my ass, and the [female] principal loved it.

I'm not condoning scandalous or skimpy or vulgar dressing, but I believe that what people wear matters little in a school environment. Worry more about the kids that are FAILING or being bullied that who is wearing a Corona logo.

Misplaced priority.
Just my opinion.


~B.L.

It's not like people are wasting time making sure you don't look like an idiot that they would be using to help kids pass.
Also, what kind of parents let a fifth grader out of the house in a skirt that barely covers the ass?

[Saya]

Does it say something about this board that this thread is in POLITICS and has been surviving longer than actual political discussions?

[Godslayer Jillian]

Not at all. In fact it's the opposite. Take into account that 13 out of the 15 pages are from two years ago and lasted for about two years. Which means they used to talk about this over six times more than we do.
And then those who revive this thread are mainly new people who have probably been flamed in other threads, as opposed to the first pages which are filled with regular poster comments.

This in fact shows that Gnet has become, relatively, more politicized.

[Dead Raven]

You gotta relax, it's just school. You go there to LEARN, not to show your way of dressing or other personal. I dress gothic too but wouldn't whine if I'd have to dress like everyone else just for the few insignificantly short school hours. You need some sense of proportion.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by Dead Raven

You gotta relax, it's just school. You go there to LEARN, not to show your way of dressing or other personal. I dress gothic too but wouldn't whine if I'd have to dress like everyone else just for the few insignificantly short school hours. You need some sense of proportion.

So? School is an essential part of working life, why shouldn't someone try and be as comfortable in that environment as possible, and defend that right if necessary? I can't say that I care two shits about this topic, but I think you're stupid.

[jigsaw]

i think someone should like make an act to stick up for our rights to be goth at skool im mean i good realation bith both the princilple and she let me wear clothing that are gothic. and just beucz her daughter dated creg ownes(no joke, i swear on y unborn child)

[JCC]

Originally Posted by jigsaw

i think someone should like make an act to stick up for our rights to be goth at skool im mean i good realation bith both the princilple and she let me wear clothing that are gothic. and just beucz her daughter dated creg ownes(no joke, i swear on y unborn child)

Looks like your unborn child is headed straight to an early grave, there is no fucking way that you went to school.

[jigsaw]

ive actually ask her myself if i can wear them

[Underwater Ophelia]

Originally Posted by JCC

So? School is an essential part of working life, why shouldn't someone try and be as comfortable in that environment as possible, and defend that right if necessary? I can't say that I care two shits about this topic, but I think you're stupid.

No, you're the one who isn't really thinking.
You're right; school is an essential part of working life, but that's why you shouldn't be allowed to dress however you like. In nearly every workplace, you can't dress however you like. School should prepare you for that.

What's more, schools not allowing people to wear anything they like discourages them from using clothing as a sort of security blanket, and prepares them to deal with situations in adult life where they may be uncomfortable, but must endure.

This thread? Still?

[mirandaluna]

Originally Posted by Dead Raven

You gotta relax, it's just school. You go there to LEARN, not to show your way of dressing or other personal. I dress gothic too but wouldn't whine if I'd have to dress like everyone else just for the few insignificantly short school hours. You need some sense of proportion.

Agreed. I didn't have to deal with clothing-related rules until my senior year of high school, when Columbine happened and suddenly my trenchcoat was a big no-no, but then I just dressed a little more casually in black and no one cared.

[Sinjob]

Some kids would occasionally give me shit in middle school and a bit in freshman year for the way I dress, but I didn't really give a shit. I mean it's just the way I choose to dress that in it's own way marks a subculture I consider myself of and honestly no big deal otherwise or outside of that. People get on their period way too much for this kind of shit nowdays.
But people will always judge, that's just life. Man it up.

[Fae-wolf]

My college professor loves the way I dress, she thinks it's cute!

Though, teacher's here in my schools could care less how you dressed so long as you got good grades.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by Fae-wolf

could care less

I hate this phrase. Of all of the things that you American dogs have done to butcher our great tongue, the worst crime of all is the ridiculous modification of the entirely functional phrase: "couldn't care less". The phrase "couldn't care less" implies a complete lack of care towards the subject of the phrase, it is a brilliant, powerful statement of apathy. "Could care less", on the other hand, is fucking stupid. Obviously, if you could care less, you do care, which means that every sentence where an American says "could care less", they actually mean, "couldn't care less", which is rather the equivalent of saying "black" every time you mean "white" just to be a confusing prick.

[Tam Li Hua]

JCC: Yeah, that annoys me too.

[Godslayer Jillian]

Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia

In nearly every workplace, you can't dress however you like. School should prepare you for that.

In nearly every workplace, you will need to be smart enough to obey orders, but not smart enough to question them.
Do you agree then that schools are great because they know teach compliance rather than the pursuit of knowledge?

[gothicusmaximus]

Originally Posted by JCC

I hate this phrase. Of all of the things that you American dogs have done to butcher our great tongue, the worst crime of all is the ridiculous modification of the entirely functional phrase: "couldn't care less". The phrase "couldn't care less" implies a complete lack of care towards the subject of the phrase, it is a brilliant, powerful statement of apathy. "Could care less", on the other hand, is fucking stupid. Obviously, if you could care less, you do care, which means that every sentence where an American says "could care less", they actually mean, "couldn't care less", which is rather the equivalent of saying "black" every time you mean "white" just to be a confusing prick.

Let me sketch it out in black and black for you, limey: I could care less what you think.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by gothicusmaximus

Let me sketch it out in black and black for you, limey: I could care less what you think.

I will box your black ass over this, I'm Jake LaMotta and you're that pretty-faced jobber that I clobber.

[Underwater Ophelia]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

In nearly every workplace, you will need to be smart enough to obey orders, but not smart enough to question them.
Do you agree then that schools are great because they know teach compliance rather than the pursuit of knowledge?

No, and honestly, mine didn't. Clothing isn't that fucking important, and it's ridiculous to say that you're being taught not to question rules by not being allowed to wear chains and spikes.

I highly doubt most schools would have a problem with a student dressing goth so long as it was tasteful, not distracting, and not dangerous.

Also, even if you were taught to obey rules, that doesn't mean you think you have to, or that you don't know the difference between stupid rules you obey anyway to make things smoother, and rules that are truly unjust and should be ignored or fought against.

[Mr E Nigma]

Originally Posted by JCC

I hate this phrase. Of all of the things that you American dogs have done to butcher our great tongue, the worst crime of all is the ridiculous modification of the entirely functional phrase: "couldn't care less". The phrase "couldn't care less" implies a complete lack of care towards the subject of the phrase, it is a brilliant, powerful statement of apathy. "Could care less", on the other hand, is fucking stupid. Obviously, if you could care less, you do care, which means that every sentence where an American says "could care less", they actually mean, "couldn't care less", which is rather the equivalent of saying "black" every time you mean "white" just to be a confusing prick.

I feel your pain... and I have to live over here.. -_-

Not to mention my annoyance with people using the word "Irregardless."


Our school never made any ban towards trench coats, chains, etc... once in awhile if it was cold enough I'd wear my long coat and boots. No one thought it was out of the ordinary, the theater kids wore wacky shit all the time anyways, so I guess our school really didn't care.

[Tam Li Hua]

Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia

No, and honestly, mine didn't. Clothing isn't that fucking important, and it's ridiculous to say that you're being taught not to question rules by not being allowed to wear chains and spikes.

I highly doubt most schools would have a problem with a student dressing goth so long as it was tasteful, not distracting, and not dangerous.

Also, even if you were taught to obey rules, that doesn't mean you think you have to, or that you don't know the difference between stupid rules you obey anyway to make things smoother, and rules that are truly unjust and should be ignored or fought against.

Quoted for Truth.

Besides, if you don't want an office job, there's no rule saying you -have- to get one; there's plenty of work out there for more eccentric folks who don't like the idea of doing the 9 to 5 grind. And, even if you have to do the Grind for a while, you can probably still slip some corporate Goth style into your attire, which I do all the time. =)

[Godslayer Jillian]

So you two choose when to generalize and when not to, huh?
American schools are designed to make students compliant. Memorization rather than critical inquiry.
Most jobs want this.
So "in nearly every workplace, you can't dress however you like. School should prepare you for that"
In nearly every workplace, you are required basic understanding and total compliance, nothing more. But yet schools shouldn't prepare you for that because there's a minority of jobs that don't require this, just as there's a minority of jobs that let people dress as they want?

[Underwater Ophelia]

...I really don't see the problem.
If schools train you to be compliant, and you're too stupid not to be, how is that the school's problem?
And what the fuck does that have to do with what you wear?

[Godslayer Jillian]

Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia

If schools train you to be compliant, and you're too stupid not to be, how is that the school's problem?

Does that even mean anything?