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Old 05-05-2008, 03:18 AM   #1
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Judge rules for Taser in cause-of-death decisions

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...taser0503.html

Taser International has fired a warning shot at medical examiners across the country.

The Scottsdale-based stun gun manufacturer increasingly is targeting state and county medical examiners with lawsuits and lobbying efforts to reverse and prevent medical rulings that Tasers contributed to someone's death.

That effort on Friday helped lead an Ohio judge's order to remove Taser's name from three Summit County Medical Examiner autopsies that had ruled the stun gun contributed to three men's deaths.

"We will hold people accountable and responsible for untrue statements," Taser spokesman Steve Tuttle said earlier this week. "If that includes medical examiners, it includes medical examiners."Many medical examiners, who are charged with determining the official causes of death, view the Scottsdale-based company's efforts as disturbing, the spokesman for the National Association of Medical Examiners says.

"It is dangerously close to intimidation," says Jeff Jentzen, president of the National Association of Medical Examiners. "At this point, we adamantly reject the fact that people can be sued for medical opinions that they make."

In the Ohio case, the judge said the county offered no medical, scientific or electrical evidence to justify finding the stun gun was a factor in the deaths of two men in 2005 and another in 2006. Taser and the City of Akron sued the medical examiner, saying examiners in the case lacked the proper training to evaluate Tasers.

Chief Medical Examiner Lisa Kohler said that her examiners rightly concluded Taser contributed to the deaths and said county lawyers will appeal the judge's ruling.

"I would not be going forward with this if I did not believe in the rulings," she said.

The judge's order could have an immediate impact on criminal cases against five Summit County sheriff's deputies who were charged in the 2006 "homicide" of a jail inmate. Instead of homicide, the judge ordered the cause of death changed to "undetermined."

Laying a foundation

Before Friday's verdict, legal experts said Taser's victory could lay the foundation for other cases against dozens of medical examiners who have ruled that shocks from the 50,000-volt stun gun can be fatal.

Medical examiners say they're concerned that Taser's aggressive moves could have a chilling effect on doctors, preventing them from blaming Tasers for deaths even when evidence exists.

Taser still faces lawsuits from family members of victims who claim the stun gun is deadly and the company has not done proper medical research. They allege police officers are using the weapon as a compliance tool against people who do not pose significant threats.

But the company has won an impressive number of legal victories and said it has only paid out settlements in a few cases involving police officer injuries. To date, the company says more than 60 cases have been dismissed.

Taser stun guns are a fixture among police. It is used by more than 12,000 police agencies across the country, and by every major law enforcement agency in the Valley. Many police agencies credit the gun with preventing deaths and injuries to officers and suspects.

Taser maintains they are safe

Taser maintains that its guns have not caused a death or serious injury. Officials say company-funded and independent medical studies show the stun guns are safe.

More than two dozen medical examiners across the country have found the stun gun at least partly responsible in the deaths of suspects.

Since 1999, more than 300 people have died in North America following police Taser shocks. The vast majority of those deaths have not been linked to the stun gun. But medical examiners have cited the gun directly or could not rule it out as a factor in nearly 10 percent of the cases, an The Arizona Republic investigation found.

Medical examiners, who typically work for the county or state, are supposed to provide independent scientific analysis about the cause of someone's death. Their rulings are recognized by courts and the police as the official cause of death.

Taser officials have repeatedly said that medical examiners who rule against the stun gun are not qualified to judge whether a Taser was a factor in someone's death. In court disputes, it often presents opposing testimony from company representatives, doctors and medical examiners paid by the firm.

"The qualifications of a medical examiner depend on their professional and educational background as well as their level of understanding of Taser technology and the underlying effects of electricity upon the human body," Tuttle said.

The company's tactics worry Jentzen, a former medical examiner and current director of autopsy and forensics at the University of Michigan.

"I am concerned any time there is a person who is an advocate who may have a conflict of interest," he says.

Jentzen says there are few cases where companies have taken the position that coroners can't be trusted to evaluate their product's involvement in someone's death, and none so aggressively as Taser.

Taser targets rulings

In addition to Ohio, Taser sued a coroner in Indiana who had ruled that Taser caused the death of a man in 2004.

Several coroners have also reported being challenged by Taser, says Jentzen. Among them was a Cook County, Ill., medical examiner who ruled Taser shocks contributed to the death of a 54-year-old man in 2005. Taser dismissed the autopsy report as not credible and said the medical examiner was unqualified. The company demanded a judicial review.

Taser also has asked coroners to reverse opinions. An Anderson, S.C., deputy coroner said Taser representatives showed up in his office on the same day that he ruled Taser shocks contributed to a man's death in 2004.

Charlie Boseman said Taser wanted him to remove any reference to the stun gun from his report. He refused.

Coroners told to bone up

Taser officials have provided coroners reams of medical research in support of the stun gun following a death.

Tuttle says it is up to medical examiners to do the proper research, read the papers and perform tests before making a ruling on a death involving a Taser.The Las Vegas Review-Journal reported in 2007 that a county medical examiner based half of his testimony at a coroner's inquest on information supplied by Taser. The medical examiner did not disclose to a jury that he met with Taser officials and reviewed the company's literature before testifying that the stun gun's role in a death was debatable.

In Summit County, Kohler said she has received volumes of medical studies and literature from Taser, all suggesting that the rulings in her cases are wrong.

In Maricopa County, at least 10 people have died following police Taser strikes since 2002. In a 2004 case, the medical examiner's office ruled that Taser shocks contributed to a Mesa man's death. Autopsy reports were unavailable for review this week by The Republic.

Neither Chief Medical Examiner Mark Fischione nor Taser would discuss what, if any, involvement the company had with medical examiners performing autopsies in the cases.

Fischione did not respond to repeated interview requests.

Taser for years touted autopsy reports as proof of the stun gun's safety. Company officials told police departments and shareholders that no medical examiner had cited the stun gun in an autopsy report. But The Republic's investigation found that 27 medical examiners concluded that the gun caused, contributed to or could not be ruled out in deaths.

'Excited delirium' blamed in Taser-related deaths

Taser advocates an alternative cause-of-death scenario called excited delirium. The condition, which is not recognized as a diagnosis in official medical manuals, is used to describe deaths of suspects who become so agitated by drugs, psychosis or poor health that their bodies shut down during struggles with police.

Excited delirium has been cited in police custody-death cases for decades. It is now being blamed more and more by medical examiners for deaths that occur following a police Taser strike, including at least one in Maricopa County in recent years.

Taser has funded excited delirium studies and has been involved in promoting its research. The company maintains that excited delirium is a valid syndrome, and some doctors say it will gain acceptance as more research is conducted.

Mark Schlosberg, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union of Northern California who has worked on several Taser cases, argued that excited delirium has become a convenient way to explain away deaths that occur at the hands of police.

"There are plenty of medical examiners who are very skeptical of excited delirium," he added. "But that is not what Taser is promoting . . . They attribute almost all of the deaths following a Taser strike to excited delirium."
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Old 05-05-2008, 03:25 AM   #2
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You have to love this. Since Tazers became commonplace in police forces across America, people have started dying on a regular basis. Tazer noticed this trend when they were hit with a lawsuit by some of the vicims families. So what does Tazer do? They sue medical examiner offices across America to have the ME's keep from putting Tazer as the cause of death on death certificates.

Dozens of deaths have now officially been ruled as 'excited delirium'. Thats right, they died from being too excited. Have a look at this term, which was created in America to justify police killings:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_delirium

The US government has teamed up with the manufacture to keep medical officials from calling deaths from tazers exactly what they are.

'Excited Delirium' - thats what they are selling the public. Forget the fact that they are shooting thousands of electric volts through a person - the cause of death is that they become so 'excited' their heart just stops. Thats the cause of death, and that the tazer has nothing to do with it. They are trying to say that their heart would have stopped anyway, even though they can't prove this nor can they cite cases where a person drops dead without first being hit with a tazer.

So America, where you can legally torture people and the police can use a device which is known to kill people because the government has now rewritten the rules on what is deadly and created a new type of death for the medical community - one where people drop dead just because they are too excited.

I find it most disturbing that a company that makes weapons is being allowed to write law while a group of doctors in the medical community are being told they are wrong and the company is right, because the government wants to keep its weapon.

It's also disturbing that in many of the cases where people are killed by Tazers, the people who died were being arrested for drunk in public, disorderly conduct, fighting, etc - misdemeanor crimes which many don't even include jail time. That means people who haven't really broken the law are being executed and the government is working with a company who is profiting from this to keep it legal.

That means the lives of average Americans and their right to life has been put behind corporate profits, by the American government. Again.
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Old 05-05-2008, 09:15 AM   #3
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you have an incredibly good point,personaly i find it very worrying that the us government is allowing big buissness to cover up the lethal consequences of theire merchendise with a phony medical condition,

what next ,criminals saying that they didnt shoot the victim,the victim just had the misfortune to suffer from "excess bullet syndrome" while they were in the vicinty?
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Old 05-05-2008, 04:36 PM   #4
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This isn't a case of the US government doing anything wrong, Muraskai, it's a case of local judges being idiots. Hopefully the appeals will overturn these ridiculous rulings.
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Old 05-06-2008, 10:17 PM   #5
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CptSternn is absolutely right. We should go back to shooting them.

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Old 05-07-2008, 06:48 AM   #6
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I think hes making the point that a private company is using its power to try to convince everyone that its products are completely safe.

That being said, I don't think you can make a truely non-lethal weapon. Anything strong enough to take down the largest adult is going to be a danger if it strikes somewhere like an eye, or if its used on a smaller person in some cases.
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:54 AM   #7
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They should use tranquilizer darts, like they do with animals.
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Old 05-07-2008, 12:26 PM   #8
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Tasers deliver a massive electric shock, I'd say that most likely that could contribute to death very easily, especially if you have a funny heart. Taser International is bullying medical examiners, plain and simple. Which is plain and simply uncool.
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They should use tranquilizer darts, like they do with animals.
Tranqs are actually REALLY dangerous. You have to know certain things about the subject (height, weight, stuff like that) in order for them to be effective. If you calculate the dose too low, you just have a potentially dangerous person who's now a little groggy and pissed off. If you calculate the dose too high, the subject will either stop breathing or die when thier heart stops. Not to mention different people react to different chemical compounds in different ways (allergies, resistances,etc). I'm fairly sure there would be even more deaths and lawsuits over tranquilizer darts as over tasers.
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That being said, I don't think you can make a truely non-lethal weapon. Anything strong enough to take down the largest adult is going to be a danger if it strikes somewhere like an eye, or if its used on a smaller person in some cases.
You really can't, which is why most police forces refer to them as "less lethal" weapons. Bean bag shotguns and rubber bullets can still be fatal.
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Exactly. And yeh I think tasers are better than darts, they would be more dangerous.

I'm not really sure what they could be replaced with. But Taser still shouldn't be putting pressure on medical examiners.
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Tranqs are actually REALLY dangerous. You have to know certain things about the subject (height, weight, stuff like that) in order for them to be effective. If you calculate the dose too low, you just have a potentially dangerous person who's now a little groggy and pissed off. If you calculate the dose too high, the subject will either stop breathing or die when thier heart stops. Not to mention different people react to different chemical compounds in different ways (allergies, resistances,etc). I'm fairly sure there would be even more deaths and lawsuits over tranquilizer darts as over tasers.
I suppose you're right. It's still one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situations.
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I got tasered the other day. It was kinda fun and hilarity ensued.
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