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06-23-2012, 02:33 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2011
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If we live in a system that is racist...
Then I wonder how it resonates when someone says, "Fuck race relations".
What does it mean to ignore your privilege and say things like that?
How exactly does that help if someone says this to a bunch of his friends who happens to not be white?
I don't understand how one can say race doesn't matter and fuck race relations when the other side of the fence can't walk away from the problems in a system that is racist.
Just something I noticed on one of my facebook feeds.
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07-04-2012, 10:07 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2010
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Only just noticed this. I usually point out to people who say either this or its first cousin, "It's nothing to do with me/I'm not a racist so why are 'they' mad at me", that THEIR point of view presumes their own entitlement: the entitlement not to be discriminated against based on the actions of others who have nothing to do with them. To accept this entitlement as natural, while ignoring the "entitlement" of PoC who resent being institutionally disadvantaged based on the actions of others, is illogical. Why are you "entitled" to not be judged by the actions of others, yet PoC are not "entitled" to take issue with the fact that various aspects of their lives are far more likely than yours to suck based on the way they were born? Because you're an overprivileged, overentitled prick.
(Last sentence may or may not be moot, depending on how they respond to logic.)
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07-04-2012, 11:39 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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What Cuckoo said. Basically, its their way of saying they don't want to deal with it and they're going to use their privilege to walk away from it.
On a related note, this book just got recommended on Tumblr, I think I'll get it from the library when I'm done the book I'm reading: http://books.google.ca/books/about/R...d=VGjeQkdwV18C
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07-04-2012, 01:30 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: A ship called Dignity
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How exactly do you combat a system that's so willfully blind? How do you make it known it's not acceptable if no one's willing to listen?
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07-04-2012, 03:44 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2011
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Originally Posted by Saya
What Cuckoo said. Basically, its their way of saying they don't want to deal with it and they're going to use their privilege to walk away from it.
On a related note, this book just got recommended on Tumblr, I think I'll get it from the library when I'm done the book I'm reading: http://books.google.ca/books/about/R...d=VGjeQkdwV18C |
Saya I have issues I need you to help me work through my issues.
Hey don't just walk away from me because you don't have the same kind of issues, I need help here.
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07-04-2012, 07:42 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Are these issues caused by a system of oppression that I perpetuate and benefit from but have privilege to ignore my complicity in the system?
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07-05-2012, 01:09 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2010
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Look SAYA, according to YOUR political views, Elystan's issues are not comparable to, you know, actual oppression. Stop subjugating him by pointing this out. You tyrannous monster.
Won't somebody think of the straight white men? 
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07-05-2012, 07:21 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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I see that CuckooTuli knows the switch-a-roo.
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07-05-2012, 09:03 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2010
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Mean-spirited rhetoric is my crack.
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"Friends are allowed to make mistakes. The enemy is not allowed to make mistakes because his whole existence is a mistake, and we suffer from it. But the women's liberation front and gay liberation front are our friends, they are our potential allies, and we need as many allies as possible.” - Huey Newton
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07-05-2012, 10:17 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Saya
Are these issues caused by a system of oppression that I perpetuate and benefit from but have privilege to ignore my complicity in the system?
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Hardly any of them
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07-05-2012, 10:21 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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None of them, you jerkoff.
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You fucking people [war veterans] are only a step below entitled rich kids, the only difference being you had to do and witness horrible things, instead of being given everything.
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real classy
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07-05-2012, 10:34 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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Any oppression that women suffer is negated because women can't be drafted.
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Woke up with fifty enemies plottin' my death
All fifty seein' visions of me shot in the chest
Couldn't rest, nah nigga I was stressed
Had me creepin' 'round corners, homie sleepin' in my vest.
-Breathin, Tupac.
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07-05-2012, 12:21 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
None of them, you jerkoff.
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Stop institutionally oppressing me
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07-05-2012, 01:27 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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You really prefer to protect your chode than actually learn something useful, huh?
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Originally Posted by KissMeDeadly
You fucking people [war veterans] are only a step below entitled rich kids, the only difference being you had to do and witness horrible things, instead of being given everything.
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real classy
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07-05-2012, 01:36 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2011
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What's a chode?
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07-06-2012, 04:24 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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Learning the concept of privilege changed the way I look at... pretty much everything. I used to take little interest in politics, deciding that my thing was art "instead". It's only recently that I've started to realize how abhorrently fucked up that position is.
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10-15-2012, 07:53 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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Racism without racist is alright. It's useful when you don't have the language to articulate what you already know about.
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Woke up with fifty enemies plottin' my death
All fifty seein' visions of me shot in the chest
Couldn't rest, nah nigga I was stressed
Had me creepin' 'round corners, homie sleepin' in my vest.
-Breathin, Tupac.
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