Emo problem

abortedlife · 09-14-2006, 04:22 AM

The thing is, it's hard to filter out some wannabe goths because they're too emo to begin with. I have a dark community that's been labelled by TV shows as "The Gothic Myspace", but the whole thing gets a lot of hatin' because of the so called Emo phenomenon. Some would even ridicule it as "Myspace for People Who Cut Themselves". Since when did Emo become gothic anyways?
I just yearn for a time when Goth will only be about the Music, and nothing more. Let's stop adding more stereotypes to it and stick to the music because it's how it got started.

So, guys, I'm lookin' for true goths to join http://www.mygothicheart.com

That's it and keep rocking on the dark side!

cradle · 09-14-2006, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by abortedlife

I just yearn for a time when Goth will only be about the Music, and nothing more.

Goth is not all about the music... :o/

Godslayer Jillian · 09-14-2006, 04:04 PM

But it is mostly about the music. You yourself know that someone is not only goth because he wears black.
And a great mind doesn't make one a goth, it makes one a genius. All goths are smart, not all smarts are goth.

Godslayer Jillian · 09-14-2006, 04:13 PM

Yet, Music?
I just saw the Top Ten Rated in this site and I only see MArilyn Manson, Korn, HIM, Slipknot, Good Charlotte and Taking Back Sunday *gasp!*
Not one fucking mention of Bauhaus, Sisters of Mercy, Siouxsie and the Banshees, not even Christian Death!!
So, Aborted Life, don't come here talking about how goth your people are and how you wish Goth was about music when no one there knows anything about goth music.

abortedlife · 09-14-2006, 05:29 PM

dude i got hundreds of dark cds and i've interviewed nearly 50 dark bands. i owned the site Goth in Asia which was added to Mick Mercer's 21st Century Goth book, he even mentioned it in a Meltdown interview that it was his fave site. it was running on a free server.

i'm connected with Subkulture productions in Manila, New York and SF.
Dude we don't kid around with goth.

ummm dude here are my playlists combined since 2005:

FLOATING MINDS "Stellar" CELLDWELLER "The Last Firstborn" MORS IN TABULA "Noctifer" 1919 "Headpain" NEW MODEL ARMY "Frightened" HUMAN LEAGUE "Being Boiled" FAD GADGET "Plain Clothes" GARY NUMAN "Dead Heaven" ROWLAND S. HOWARD "Dead Radio" SHELLEY DEVOTO "Deeper" REVOLVERMODELE "Audience" CRIME AND THE CITY SOLUTION "The Adversary" ASTROVAMPS "Alice in Gothland" WILLOW WISP "The Hurting" FLATLINE TRANSMISSIONS "She Said" THE WAY OF ALL FLESH "Blood and Sand" OXYGEN LAW "The Eleventh Hour" DARKWOOD "Epitaph" JANOSCH MOLDAU "Bleed On" BLAKE CHEN "Bad Karma" PETER HOPE/RICHARD H. KIRK "Numb Skull" NINA HAGEN "Cosma Shiva" DEAD EMOTION "Time Has Come" KQDELIRIUM "The Awakening" DAF "Co Co Pino" NON "Scorched Earth " SKELETAL FAMILY "All My Best Friends (2004)" TO AVOID "Cyberworld" BOYTRONIC "Pioneers (are marching on)" INFORMATIK "Flesh Menagerie" THE RETROSIC "Antichrist" STATE OF THE UNION "Enemy of the State" IN STRICT CONFIDENCE "Kiss Your Shadow" AIBOFORCEN "Give Me These Wings" EPSILON MINUS "Freedom (Shungater Mix By Angels and Agony)" INTRA-VENUS "Persecution (Martyrs)" GRENDEL "Pax Psychosis" NOXIOUS EMOTION "Nobelium" GLIS "Nightvision" FOCKEWOLF "Purity" GOTHIC "Barren Moors" CASUALTY PARK "The Judas Tattoo" NEXUS "Drop the Luv Bomb" LILAC AMBUSH "Radium" HISTORY OF GUNS "Going Hollow" BEBORN BETON "Peach 2002" HUNGRY LUCY "Fearful (Aiboforcen Mix)" PLASTIC NOISE EXPERIENCE "Clean Head (Implant Mix)" MELOTRON "Tanz Mit Dem Teufel" NEW CONCEPT "Wild Brain" GEOTHES ERBEN "Schreiheit" STROMKERN "Perfect Sunrise" " REVOLVER1010 "Searching for Answers" HOCICO "Ruptura (Version Del Sotano)" ANGELS AND AGONY "Salvation (Club Mix)" GOD MODULE "Light" CULTURE KULTUR "Wonder" SEABOUND "Traitor" TRIESTESSE DE LA LUNE "Queen of the Damned" COVENANT "Tour De Force (live)" VNV NATION "Legion (anachron)" DISMANTLED "War Dream" PRIDE AND FALL "December" RAZED IN BLACK "Nevermeant" NEUROTICFISH "Prostitute (short edit)" NCOR "An Dunklen Tagen" BEBORN BETON "The Edge of Wisdom 2002" NEW CONCEPT "Wild Brain" BUTTERFLY MESSIAH "Serpentine" FLESH FIELD "Voice of Dissent (preemptive)" BLUTENGEL "Black Wedding" SUICIDE COMMANDO "Killing Game" REVOLVER1010 "Truly Human" SECRET SECRET "Forgotten" XYMOX "Reaching Out" REGENERATOR "You and I" A SPLIT SECOND "Bury Me In Your Heart (Apoptygma Berzerk Mix)" EVILS TOY "Organics" SILENCE GIFT "No Sense" METROPOLIS "Time of War" BLIND VISION "Tanz Den Teufel" UMO DETIC "Farenheit" U-TEK "Das Mass Der Dinge" THE CAIN PRINCIPLE "Western Europe Atmosphere" HAUJOBB "Slugbait" SPLATTER SQUAL "Requiem (Ext. Mix)" VOICE OF DESTRUCTION "Caught in the Act (New Mix)" PRAYER TOWER "Temptation" THE MANY ANGELS WITH STICKS "Exuberant Hardes" DEATHLINE INTERNATIONAL "Moth In The Flame" GENETIC VARIATION "Star" RESURRECTION EVE "If I Could" BUTTERFLY MESSIAH "Eternal" DAWN DESIREE "Revenge" STARK "On Your Skin" FRONT LINE ASSEMBLY "Kill Them All (Dub Mix)" RESURRECTION EVE "Saviour" RAZED IN BLACK "Blush V2" PERFUME TREE "Too Early, Too Late" DE/VISION "Foreigner" PERFIDIOUS WORDS "Estrangement" BEL CANTO "Summer" FEAR OF DOLLS "Bless This Broken Body" xARKANEx "Vacchia" TO/DIE/FOR "Crimson Twins" PARADISE LOST "Shadowkings" DREAMS OF SANITY "The Beginning That Lies" VAMPYRA "The Rose" ANGINA PECTORIS "In This Empty Room" KILLING MIRANDA "Angelfly" THE SHADOW CABINET "If You're Going Far Away (Live From GOTHCON 2002 - New Orleans)" DESADE "Black Widow" THE SOIL BLEEDS BLACK Palastinalied CLAN OF XYMOX Headclouds ALIEN SEX FIEND - Can't Stop Smoking THE FAIR SEX No Excuse BUTTERFLY MESSIAH Machines RAZED IN BLACK Am I 2 Blame? KEVORKIAN DEATH CYCLE Kill for Christ MIDNIGHT CONFIGURATION Dark Desires ASP Fading Away THE RAZOR SKYLINE Hanged Man MR UNDERHILL - Killer Creature Double Feature THE BLUE HOUR - This Path NOSFERATU - Abominations (Assylum Mix) EVERY NEW DEAD GHOST - Assassin SUSPIRIA - Dancefloor Tragedy (Travesty) WOLFGANG PRESS - Sweatbox FAITH AND THE MUSE - In Dreams of Mine CORPUS DELICTI - Suffragette City EX-VOTO - Riders on the Storm CONTROLLED BLEEDING - Feast of Fire TWO WITCHES - Requiem JOY DIVISION "Dead Souls" NICK CAVE AND THE BAD SEEDS "Stranger than Kindness" BAUHAUS "Hollow Hills" ALL ABOUT EVE "Shelter from the Rain" SKELETAL FAMILY "So Sure" SIOUXSIE AND THE BANSHEES "Shadowtime" ROSETTA STONE "Evolution" SISTERS OF MERCY "Body and Soul" LORDS OF THE NEW CHURCH "Lords Prayer" SUSPIRIA "Night Time" CLAN OF XYMOX "********" THE RAZOR SKYLINE "King Street" RAZED IN BLACK "Share this Poison" BUTTERFLY MESSIAH "It's Time" MIDNIGHT CONFIGURATION "Kissing Skull" NOSFERATU "The Passing" CHRISTIAN DEATH "Eternal Love" LOVE LIKE BLOOD "Painkilling Suicide" THE MISSION "Sacrilege" FIELDS OF THE NEPHILIM "For Her Light" NEFILIM "Penetration"

I did, however, address the "emo problem" ON MY WEBSITE. I said it's hard to filter them out because even those wanna be goths who claim they are, don't really come up to my ideals/standards. I don't have anything against you or anything.

btw those bands you have mentioned i have dozens of albums by them. xtian death being my fave... oh my god siouxsie and bauhaus. i got them all.

Godslayer Jillian · 09-14-2006, 06:02 PM

I'm not talking about you not knowing about gothic music, I guessed that much. I'm saying don't rant about your site being called emo when the site's "favorites" are this ignorant.

HumanePain · 09-14-2006, 07:08 PM

Methinks abortedlife should have started this thread in shill.

abortedlife · 09-14-2006, 09:37 PM

yeah Godslayer, but the thing is i just can't delete them just because they're not goth. that's the problem i have

and right now the shootings in Montreal is gonna be a second blow to goth after Columbine. suckage...

abortedlife · 09-14-2006, 09:41 PM

now it's been stated in the news that he was part of the Gothic subculture. so i was right when i said for true goths to keep it in a musical sense, rather than adding more stereotypes to it. now they're blaming us all over again.

i could care less about this, but it's getting real annoying. the real goths get blamed and punished for the clueless actions of some stupid kids.

Godslayer Jillian · 09-14-2006, 09:44 PM

It's annoying, but you can let off some steam in this site. Just introduce yourself at some point in the near future in the Intro section.

abortedlife · 09-14-2006, 09:48 PM

oh i will bro. i was just checkin to see if people would respond to it... since i've been a gothic.net fan since the 90s with the egyptian look and all. just checkin the scene and i'm glad you guys popped out. pleasure to know you.

abortedlife · 09-14-2006, 09:59 PM

okay man i introduced myself... peace i'm out

Spectral Despondence · 09-14-2006, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by abortedlife

The thing is, it's hard to filter out some wannabe goths because they're too emo to begin with. I have a dark community that's been labelled by TV shows as "The Gothic Myspace", but the whole thing gets a lot of hatin' because of the so called Emo phenomenon. Some would even ridicule it as "Myspace for People Who Cut Themselves". Since when did Emo become gothic anyways?
I just yearn for a time when Goth will only be about the Music, and nothing more. Let's stop adding more stereotypes to it and stick to the music because it's how it got started.

Right on'

I wish my lawn was emo 8)

Godslayer Jillian · 09-14-2006, 10:08 PM

So it would cut itself?

Spectral Despondence · 09-14-2006, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

So it would cut itself?

Yeah, lol - ive tried degrading it but that doesn't work. =D

Delkaetre · 09-15-2006, 08:52 AM

We have an easy solution to it.... We say that it's 'natural garden' or a 'wildflower garden' and so we don't have to cut it or anything.

PoupeeCelestia · 09-15-2006, 04:36 PM

XDDD This emo goth thing it`s starting to annoy me. =P
Goth it`s an older subculture. And emo isn`t. It`s just a new teenage trend.
It`s so stupid to talk about this...

PoupeeCelestia · 09-15-2006, 04:41 PM

But, Jilli it`s true, both are, however, born out from their respective music genres. And...that`s why emo it`s so lame. I mean...take a look at those lyrics...XD...

Spectral Despondence · 09-15-2006, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Delkaetre

We have an easy solution to it.... We say that it's 'natural garden' or a 'wildflower garden' and so we don't have to cut it or anything.

lol - thats works too. =) I'll have to try that approach.

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But, Jilli it`s true, both are, however, born out from their respective music genres. And...that`s why emo it`s so lame. I mean...take a look at those lyrics...XD...

Well, to each his or her own i say. My difference of view doesn't give me the right to judge.

Although i will admit that lyrics about smashing your own face in with a sledge hammer is quite peculiar even for dark music - although i have certainly had the urge at times, lol

abortedlife · 09-19-2006, 09:15 PM

lyrics are nothing... just look at the way they style their hair and how emo boys kiss other emo boys for attention. what's so goth about that? LMFAO

Splintered · 09-19-2006, 09:43 PM

This made me laugh.

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Some wannabe goths because they're too emo to begin with

So, instead of guiding them "Down the path of gothdom", or showing them what could be their beginning into a new culture, or simply accept that their different, and graciously explore the ideas of a seperate culture from oght, we have to, in your words, "filter out" them.

So... Instead of helping them out, or giving them some sort of guide down the right path... You just... Fliter them out? You, yourself have said they want to be goths... So why not help them? If this culture is so exclusive, you'd go out to stop people from becoming part of it, simply because they dont meet your ideals/standards, then I don't see why anyone would want to be apart of it. If it's based around individualism, yet by your demonstration, is the anti-thesis of it, it doesn't make sense.

Nice.

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I just yearn for a time when Goth will only be about the Music, and nothing more.

Yeah, I mean, instead of having this nice little culture of like minded people, we're gonna keep it exclusively to the music, and hope we meet like minded people, who listen to said music.

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All goths are smart, not all smarts are goth.

This bugs me, because it's completely arbitrary. Since there is no set standard, for what Goth is in it's entirety, (Yes, I know there is that little "Goth with a Sledgehammer dealie. Not everyone agrees with it) to argue there are no stupid Goths, just seems like a cheap way to cover your butt.

"Some kid shot up the school. He wore victorian era clothes, and listend to Dead Can Dance. He can't be goth!" and "Some kid wrote an excellent piece of poetry! He wears victorian era clothes, and listens to Dead Can Dance. He could be goth!" See what I'm getting at here? And I know I'm being really nit picky, and somewhat aggressive, but that statement, just rubs me the wrong way. Nothing against you personally. It's just the audacity of that statement...

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i could care less about this, but it's getting real annoying. the real goths get blamed and punished for the clueless actions of some stupid kids.

Yeah, I mean, who would have thought an entire culture, that revolves rather nicely around the morbid, to some degree (Yes, put away your flame throwers, I know Goth and the morbid are not joined at the hip, but you have to hand it, there are some connections when you look at the subculture as a whole, those in it, and the concept of morbid and death). And once again, it comes back to my above arguement. As soon as someone does something bad, it just appears to me like you cover your ass by saying, "Nope. Wasn't one of us."

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Goth it`s an older subculture. And emo isn`t.

Actually [Warning: Geek Alert]Emo as a music, started In the late 1980s, arguably with Rites of Spring. Goth, only started, about 5 years earlier. So, that's somewhat of a historical inaccuracy. If you want to argue that it's the five years that make a difference, then wait 'til 2011, when it will be roughly five years older, and it will be as old as the concept of Goth. (It's arguable that the concept of Goth existed before the 1970s, sure, and if you want to play that point, then just give the "Emo" subculture enough time to evolve, the same as goth has.)[/The Geek Has Spoken]

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I mean...take a look at those lyrics...XD...

Yeah, I mean who would have thought that emo would have any good lyrics. Oh. That's right. If you look around, they probably do have some good lyrics.

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lyrics are nothing... just look at the way they style their hair and how emo boys kiss other emo boys for attention. what's so goth about that?

Who said it had to be goth? They're their own culture, and the can probably look back at you pretty funny too.

I'm not trying to attack anyone here personally. It just seems really stupid, to be bagging on one culture, when your own, that you're supposedly apart of, supposedly supports individuality. You're either for weeding out another culture, or weeding out people who want to learn about your culture, or ridiculing their culture.

PersephoneX · 09-19-2006, 09:48 PM

I hate emo kids as much as the next punk...but i'd rather leave them alone...because every friday and saturday, i know i'll have my chance with a couple of them in the mosh-pit or in obs...

DrenchedInGin · 09-19-2006, 10:20 PM

Indeed. I have no real issues with Emo kids but I tend to think of them as a new subculture. So - good on them. Perhaps they can't be easily recognised apart from goths without a trained eye but I fail to see why that is a problem.

I do agree that music has a helluva lot to do with goth, however. But... don't we have something else in common? Isn't this a literary site? It was actually the literature that led me to the music in the first place. That dark aesthetic and all...

Slap Your Love · 09-20-2006, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

Yet, Music?
I just saw the Top Ten Rated in this site and I only see MArilyn Manson, Korn, HIM, Slipknot, Good Charlotte and Taking Back Sunday *gasp!*
Not one fucking mention of Bauhaus, Sisters of Mercy, Siouxsie and the Banshees, not even Christian Death!!
So, Aborted Life, don't come here talking about how goth your people are and how you wish Goth was about music when no one there knows anything about goth music.

This makes me want to vomit.

Godslayer Jillian · 09-20-2006, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Splintered

"Some kid shot up the school. He wore victorian era clothes, and listend to Dead Can Dance. He can't be goth!" and "Some kid wrote an excellent piece of poetry! He wears victorian era clothes, and listens to Dead Can Dance. He could be goth!" See what I'm getting at here? And I know I'm being really nit picky, and somewhat aggressive, but that statement, just rubs me the wrong way. Nothing against you personally. It's just the audacity of that statement...

Well, but has this happened? A Victorian kid listening to real gothic music shooting people in his school.
Maybe it has, but I don't know about him.
Up till now, high school shootings related to the gothic subculture always ends up with just a guy that wore a trenchcoat and looked menacing.
Is he a goth? I don't think so. Until I see a goth make such a voluntary stupidity, then I can believe all goths are not intellectual. But, as for now, intellect defines goth just as musical tastes and fashion style.