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10-14-2007, 08:59 PM
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Revisionist History and Cyberpunk films
Is anyone else a fan of revisionist history and cyberpunk films?
You know, films where
A)the old and the new, in the form of music, costume, setting, a combination of all or some of these elements, are found in the same scenes(not just in the same movie). For example, Marie Antoinette used mostly new music but it was set in an old time. Underworld was a mesh of a lot of things. Modern music but more elegant and old-styled clothing, at least, in the scenes at the house of the vampires. Plus the bleak atmospheres and Gothic mansions/castles made it like the setting of an old Gothic horror novel. Romeo and Juliet used Shakesperean language in the modern day - plus the combinaiton of clothes and setting was way out there. Tromeo and Juliet, yes with a T, revitalized Romeo and Juliet and made a comedy version of it set in the middle of feuding - and trashy, families.
Essentially, films under this genre reinvent history. Basically, it's like taking a moment in history, like World War II, and saying "What if Hitler won?".
I think it's fascinating and i'd love to see it grow as an art form.
I'm a big fan of revisionist history in art, period. Art, film, books, music(Eh hem, Victorian-Industiral).
Don't get me wrong, I too love films that try to be as historically correct as possible. I guess i'm so fascinated by revisionism because it appeals to my wacky sense of liberal creativity.
Revisionism is different from futuristic. Futuristic films offer an idea of what the future will be like while revisionism films reinvent something that's already happened.
Name some of your favorites. This is quickly becoming one of my favorite genres. I want to see as much of it as I can.
I'm especially looking for films where there is new and old, especially extravagant, clothing.
Films like Zorba the Greek and The Fountain don't count since they are about people living in different times over time, bound by the conventions of their eras.
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10-15-2007, 01:34 AM
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I'm thinking 'Gattaca' - the 1997 remake with Ethan Hawke and Jude Law. It's a futuristic sci-fi but has a very 1940's feel to it - don't know if that counts here?
I saw that Marie Antoinette film but didn't really appreciate the modern music. The idea could work but I don't think they pulled it off properly. It seemed a bit slapdash, really. I think 'A knight's tale' on the other hand is a very well-balanced blend of Medieval and Modern themes.
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10-15-2007, 06:32 AM
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I've been meaning to see Gattaca. Sounds like it definitely counts. Futuristic counts if it borrows themes from the old and new. Gattaca is futuristic, but it's reminiscenet of the 1940s. That' definitely revisionism.
Blade Runner counts, I think, too. It's futuristic (architecture, vehicles, etc) but there's still clothing that would fit in by today's standards. I don't remember the language being anything out of the ordinary, either.
Ooh. That's funny. I didn't like A Knight's Tale at all, lol.
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10-15-2007, 10:56 AM
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I only saw half of Blade Runner, I NEED to watch the rest of it, What I saw was excellent.
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10-15-2007, 03:49 PM
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Red Dawn anyone?
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10-15-2007, 04:09 PM
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The miniseries "Amerika" as well.
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10-15-2007, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TopHaggardDoll
I only saw half of Blade Runner, I NEED to watch the rest of it, What I saw was excellent.
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!! Which version?
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10-16-2007, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by gothicusmaximus
The miniseries "Amerika" as well.
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I've neither seen this nor Red Dawn. I'll be sure to look them up. Yay...I have more films to view.
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10-16-2007, 12:06 PM
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You mean like Grave of The Fireflies?
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10-16-2007, 02:00 PM
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Nay, you have a cyberpunk movie film fan right here. Ever since I went to this Museum of Science Fiction, I've wanted to see Blade Runner, it look so neat. Ever since that museum I loved all them movies. =p
Matrix 1 & 2
Scanner Darly
Dark City
and many more to name. =)
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10-16-2007, 02:02 PM
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Scanner Darkly was fucking amazing, visually.
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10-16-2007, 02:32 PM
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Julie Taymor, who directed Around the Universe and the Broadway version of the Lion King of all things, also directed this kind of lame-assed version of Titus Andronicus, which implemented tons of anachronism for no particular reason (Maybe the actors thought they looked fat in togas).
If you're familiar with the story, one character eats her children baked in a pie prepared by Titus. Anthony 'Hannibal' Hopkins plays the titular role. Hah hah hah.
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10-16-2007, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Miss Cogs
Nay, you have a cyberpunk movie film fan right here. Ever since I went to this Museum of Science Fiction, I've wanted to see Blade Runner, it look so neat. Ever since that museum I loved all them movies. =p
Matrix 1 & 2
Scanner Darly
Dark City
and many more to name. =)
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You mean, "aye" mate  .
Come now, name them all  .
TaSD looks amazing. I have to see that and Dark City.
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10-16-2007, 04:27 PM
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Dark City was awesome! I liked Scanner Darkly, but it totally confused me the first time through.
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10-16-2007, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by KontanKarite
You mean like Grave of The Fireflies?
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I've never seen it. I see it's animated.
Oh yeah, how could I forget. The Final Fantasy movies so count. Neofuturistic mediaeval.
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10-17-2007, 08:45 PM
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You mean like Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow? I thought it was a visually.. interresting... movie. Not really my cup of tea, though.
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10-18-2007, 12:08 AM
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Ooh! That was another good film. Much of the Japanese animator Hayao Miyazaki's work is in the steampunk style with victorian aspects combined along with technology and fantasy.
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At some point, you need to look yourself in the mirror and realize that what other people did to you does not define you as a person. You and your actions define who you are as a person. It's up to you to be a good person, in spite of all the evil you've faced. In fact, it should be because of the evil you see that it's good you do. Be the change you want in the world. Next time someone tells me that they're an asshole because they've had a bad life, I'm stabbing them in the eye with a spork.
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10-21-2007, 04:25 PM
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If I remember, Orlando was revisionist, wasn't it. I really can't remember, though. It's been so long since i've seen it. I know it was set during the Rennaisance. But I thought there were modern elements in the movie. Heh. I'm going to have to watch that one again.
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10-21-2007, 05:02 PM
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Someone ought to do a movie based on "The Difference Engine"...
(those of you who haven't read or heard about this marvelous book: shame on you!  )
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10-21-2007, 06:39 PM
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Shames self.
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10-21-2007, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Methadrine
Someone ought to do a movie based on "The Difference Engine"...
(those of you who haven't read or heard about this marvelous book: shame on you! ) |
I've been bad, but it's still on my to-read list 
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