Hate speech.

Drake Dun · 11-30-2007, 07:58 PM

What the hell is England coming to? This lady was *convicted* and served time (albeit little time) for "insulting religion" because she named a plush toy "Muhammad".

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa...ars/index.html

L'Oiseau Noir · 11-30-2007, 08:18 PM

This is positively outrageous! The woman looks like such a lovely, friendly person too. I don't know where these crazy fanatics get off calling her an "infidel" and pressing over-the-top charges against her like insulting their religion, which wasn't even the case. All they did was name a damn stuffed bear...

This really makes me sad to read. I hope that woman is let free, and that those insane protesters don't manage to get to her.

Beneath the Shadows · 12-01-2007, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Drake Dun

What the hell is England coming to?

What does England have to do with it? It happened in Sudan.

And shouldn't the children in the class be given the punishment? They're the ones who chose the name, not the teacher.

TopHaggardDoll · 12-01-2007, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Beneath the Shadows

What does England have to do with it? It happened in Sudan.

And shouldn't the children in the class be given the punishment? They're the ones who chose the name, not the teacher.

Because it's to do with politics...not with what is just.

Methadrine · 12-01-2007, 05:57 AM

"...she was convicted of insulting religion."

*rolls eyes*

Welcome to the year 2007, also known as the Middle-ages Reborn.

AngelikDemonik · 12-01-2007, 06:30 AM

In in the Muslim religion, animals are not allowed to be named "Muhammad", which is the name of their prophet. Oddly enough, however, humans are allowed to be named "Muhammad", which is "surprising" because humans ARE animals and act even more vile than most other animals.

My father is from Lebanon, and was raised to be Muslim as a child. Once he grew older, he moved to America, he decided to become an Atheist. He has taught me a lot about Islam. Not to mention, outside of the Middle East, I live in a city with the largest populations of Muslims in the world.

ALL extremists (of all religions) NEED TO BE KILLED. If these people are portraying God correctly...how could they worship such a hateful, vengeful being?

To Methadrine, who said that 2007 is the Middle-Ages Reborn... You couldn't be more right.

DepthsofSpace · 12-01-2007, 07:41 AM

See, this is the line in Sudan that's such a stalk contrast.

Private wealth and anarchy facing off against poverty, corrupt government and theocracy.

They are now calling for her execution.

Breathless Horror · 12-01-2007, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by AngelikDemonik

ALL extremists (of all religions) NEED TO BE KILLED.

Ironically enough, that statement itself is extolling a rather extremist opinion.

Delkaetre · 12-01-2007, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by AngelikDemonik

In in the Muslim religion, animals are not allowed to be named "Muhammad", which is the name of their prophet. Oddly enough, however, humans are allowed to be named "Muhammad", which is "surprising" because humans ARE animals and act even more vile than most other animals.

In religion, almost all religion, humans are placed above animals. If your statement that your father taught you a lot about Islam is true, then you would know that they do not feel animals to be the same as humans, and most certainly do not feel that humans are lower or more vile than beasts. I'm assuming, therefore, that the humans-lower-than-animals statement is your own logic, in which case you should probably realise that your logic doesn't apply in their religion. The two are incompatible. Perhaps separate your statements in future? Do let me know if I've misinterpreted.

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ALL extremists (of all religions) NEED TO BE KILLED. If these people are portraying God correctly...how could they worship such a hateful, vengeful being?

Religious intolerance won't help with anything, kitten. Trust the girl from Northern Ireland- you kill an extremist, or many of them, and they just become martyrs to their cause and things escalate. It makes everything worse.

I don't like what's being done, and I don't like the way it's being handled by any of the parties. The protests stink of higher powers dipping their hands into these affairs. I'm not yet sure what the motive would be for inflaming this situation to such a large degree, but it does not bode well- looks like someone's doing their best to create a conflict rather worse than the current terrorist panic. This isn't the way such affairs are usually handled by any of the authorities, not even by the extremists. Potentially a vengeance issue?

NachtSorcier · 12-01-2007, 12:57 PM

I can't even believe this. A voice in the back of my mind keeps telling me that the story can't possibly be real because it's so fucking stupid.

Honestly, they named a fucking toy (i.e., not a real goddamn animal) Muhammad. Why did the children pick that name? Because it is the name of their prophet and they wanted to honor him. I think they'd be pleased with that. I mean a lot of fanatical Christians are morons too, but at least they'd think it was cute if a class named a bear Jesus because they liked his name.

And even if she had insulted religion, so the fuck what? As long as she doesn't do it in the classroom she has the right to think all the bad things about Islam she wants.

This is exactly why I tell people that followers are the problem and not religion. God (Jehovah, Allah, whatever name you put on it) is probably a pretty cool dude (I know if I could create a sunset I really wouldn't give a shit what the insignificant insects known as humans were doing), it's the people who think they know what God wants who create all the problems.

And you know, you'd think that if someone was as strongly attached to their beliefs as fanatical Muslims claim to be, they really wouldn't give a shit what people think. Someone has a case of Godly Penis Envy, I think. It's all just Christians and Muslims and Jews trying to prove that their version of God has a bigger dick than the others.

And yeah, I know my logic isn't the same as their's, but it should be. We'd all be better off.

Underwater Ophelia · 12-01-2007, 01:07 PM

I can completely understand why people don't like this, but I think they're definitely over-reacting.

It does seem disrespectful, because the name should be reserved for something more serious than a teddy bear, but she shouldn't be killed.

Godslayer Jillian · 12-01-2007, 02:33 PM

I'm going to buy a stuffed fox and named it Mohammed. I already have a panda that I claim is a Buddha. And I'm also going to buy a raccoon and call it Haile Selassie I just to piss off more people that take political correctness to a whole new magnitude of squeamishness.

Beneath the Shadows · 12-01-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

I'm going to buy a stuffed fox and named it Mohammed.

I was thinking of getting an actual dog to give that name to. A female dog, mind you.

But then I remembered that I prefer cats, and I'd never disrespect a cat by giving it that name (or the name of any current god/prophet/holy person).

Mir · 12-02-2007, 04:40 AM

I just named my tinkle Mohamed.

MollyMac · 12-02-2007, 08:53 AM

In terms of addressing religion, the best policy is "If one, then all, if not, then none".

If they would not name the teddy "Jesus", "Vishnu", "Allah" or another religiously themed name, then naming it "Muhammed" is out of the question.

I think that is this "nice" lady had any sense or generic religious education whatsoever, none of this would have happened. She, as an educator, should have removed herself from any tie to religion that could have been construed as offensive. Even if the kids chose the name... come one... just because a kid chooses his own outfit doesn't mean he gets to wear it... What religion were the kids, anyway? Muslim kids know better, Christian kids mayu have done it solely to incite and insult... eitherway, the educator should know better.

Ignore it all, alltogether and name the bear "Pookie".

They may be overracting, but she is an idiot.

AngelikDemonik · 12-02-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Delkaetre

In religion, almost all religion, humans are placed above animals. If your statement that your father taught you a lot about Islam is true, then you would know that they do not feel animals to be the same as humans, and most certainly do not feel that humans are lower or more vile than beasts. I'm assuming, therefore, that the humans-lower-than-animals statement is your own logic, in which case you should probably realise that your logic doesn't apply in their religion. The two are incompatible. Perhaps separate your statements in future? Do let me know if I've misinterpreted.

Religious intolerance won't help with anything, kitten. Trust the girl from Northern Ireland- you kill an extremist, or many of them, and they just become martyrs to their cause and things escalate. It makes everything worse.

I don't like what's being done, and I don't like the way it's being handled by any of the parties. The protests stink of higher powers dipping their hands into these affairs. I'm not yet sure what the motive would be for inflaming this situation to such a large degree, but it does not bode well- looks like someone's doing their best to create a conflict rather worse than the current terrorist panic. This isn't the way such affairs are usually handled by any of the authorities, not even by the extremists. Potentially a vengeance issue?

Ughh...I just wrote a looong, drawn-out reply, but my computer decided to freeze up.

A summary of everything--You didn't misinterpet me, and I should probably take more time in writing things out. Killing extermists would only be an equally extreme action, and for that statement, I apologize. And I do think it may be a vengeance issue here. My grandfather was from Northern Ireland.

Drake Dun · 12-02-2007, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Beneath the Shadows

What does England have to do with it? It happened in Sudan.

Oops. I am much less alarmed now. :P

Drake

Drake Dun · 12-03-2007, 04:35 AM

The Sudanese powers that be have thrown out self-righteous religious bullshit, and opted instead for sanity on this occasion.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa...her/index.html

Points to them for their courage - it would have been trivially easy to sit this one out on the fence.

Drake

CptSternn · 12-04-2007, 02:35 AM

I don't see why anyone is surprised or upset by this. If you reverse this, or use other similar scenarios, you see America, britian, etc. do the same all the time to other cultures.

For example, you can smoke weed in Amsterdam. Try smoking the same weed in a city in the US/UK and see what happens.

Some countries allow sex among children - in fact many Asian nations have arranged marriages at ages as early as 6 or 7. That means those individuals also are involved in acts that would be illegal in the US/UK.

Africa circumsizes women as a religious practice. Thats illegal in the US/UK.

In America you can't say anything threatening nor can you wish bad health on the president, else you could be imprisoned for life.

My point is this: many thing people in other countries do all the time as common practice are illegal in the US/UK. The fact this practice which is illegal in this country seems silly to anyone doesn't matter - it's their country and their practice. You can say it's silly without pointing out that there are many other common practices which the US/UK has banned which seem silly to people in other nations.

For America, a nation that has more laws than any other, more people in prison - in sheer volume and per capita as well, including the largest number of CHILDREN in the world in prison, its safe to say this practice is no different than many in the US/UK these days which many foreigners find just as ignorant or appalling.

In the US, where prostitution is illegal because it is deeming 'immoral' by right wing conservatives, where there are many towns that have BANS on music and dancing, where alcohol is only sold on certain days at certain times (and some areas can't sell it at all) because of religious principles - this is no different.

The fact the US/UK media want to point at the pot and call it black doesn't mean they themselves aren't as guilty of exactly the same conduct for exactly the same reasons.

Drake Dun · 12-04-2007, 08:49 AM

Well, you and I have rubbed elbows in this forum long enough for your to be able to guess my response...

Make most of that stuff legal, too.

Drake

Renatus · 12-04-2007, 09:12 AM

This is a good time to hear a song about what god thinks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFt8WQkEvb8

angelnoir · 12-04-2007, 10:21 AM

Every time I hear about shit like this I get headaches.

Drake Dun · 12-04-2007, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CptSternn

In America you can't say anything threatening nor can you wish bad health on the president, else you could be imprisoned for life.

By the way, this is not true. You can get in trouble for issuing specific threats to the president's life ("I'm going to kill the president"). They can't do shit to you for saying, for example:

Apox on King George!

Drake

CptSternn · 12-06-2007, 03:46 AM

There have been people investigated by the SS for saying things like I hope bush dies in a car crash or I hope bush gets cancer.

In fact, a 14 year old was the most recent person who the SS went after for this sort of thing...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15258484/

Drake Dun · 12-06-2007, 08:17 AM

You can be investigated for simply holding the wrong political views. That sucks, and it's bullshit, but it's still worlds away from being, to use your exact words "imprisoned for life".

Drake