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[knightmare]

Jillian, how is it possible that you can be both pro-art and anti-art at the same time? Art is subjective to the one who perceives the art. What is art to someone, can also be trash for someone else. I am essentially confused Imagine my confusion when you incorporate dadaism to religion. Help a brother out..

[Godslayer Jillian]

Haha, that's why I said I'm not a fan of Dadaism.
But I absolutely recognize that Dada is pure genius.
It's like Marilyn Manson. Not a fan of him, and I hate mansonites; but the idea of losing one's own self-image for becoming the anti-thesis of the contemporary cultural norms is pure genius. Though I doubt Marilyn Manson himself appreciates this as much as I do, and this is a one-time thing which should have never become so mainstream, as it loses its basic meaning.

[knightmare]

Ah, so Dadaism is not against art in general but against the contemporary and prevalent view of art as an expression of beauty. Isn't if just a fascination with grotesque art, like the one DaVinci had in order to emphasize beautiful art by contrasting it with the grotesque. Still, I fail to see the genius of dadaism, to me it is just personal preference of an art over the mainstream art. So even gothics are in a sense, dadaitic (making up words here). Correct me, if I am wrong, please, you bring up interesting concepts

[Godslayer Jillian]

Well, the thing is that Dadaism is not only against some kinds of art. It's against all kinds of art.
That's why you should always refer to it as anti-art, it's not grotesque art.
What I find genial in Dadaism is how it can be clever by completely not only disregarding, but blaspheming one of the beauties mankind has had since its inception.

[knightmare]

I just looked up an overview of Dadaism, and according to wikipedia, it fought art by using art. Noone can totally be against all art, how is it possible to be against all art. By just expressing your dislike of an art, you are revealing your preference in regard to art. These people are weird, everything involves art, even science.
Glad you brought this up, btw

[Godslayer Jillian]

Heh, I don't mean they are against art. A more clear definition of my point is that they mock all kinds of art. It makes aworld of difference, that slip of the tongue.
Anyway, yeah; as you can infer by the name, my religion is a form of Dadaism but in religion.
What could be more orgasmically perfect?

[knightmare]

Ah, ok. So they mock all kinds of art, by making their own art. Do they use satirical elements in their art or is it just abominable? If it is abominable, I am then a disciple of this dadaism.
Dadaism indeed is very intriguing in religion. Making a religion to mock all others is an intelligent concept. I think your church you wouldn't last too long. After being maimed by Muslim bombs, your followers would then get stabbed with crucifixes and sprayed with destructive holy water, then cut up and sold into a meat market for profit by the Jews.

[OsoCrazy]

My brain hurts. i jus went reading through 40 pages of forum backwards.....confusing...ouchy.

Goldslayer Jillian, you confusing confuses me. very much, dont worry, many things confuse me. but i think Knightmare made it pretty clear....

[knightmare]

Wow, I didn't add that last sentence, it was my friend Ergmal who wrote that. Man that is offensive *beats him up*

[Godslayer Jillian]

Haha, I don't know; Satanism has lasted half a century.

[knightmare]

Jillian, you don't know whether dadaism is satirical or absurd? I don't know what you don't know. I wonder what would be the practices of the Dadaic church. Would you just make fun of people, like in high school?

[Godslayer Jillian]

Making fun of people is so... high-school like.
I think you're underestimating me. Would I really create a religion that's just about whining about other religions?
No, my friend.
The (un)Holy Church of Dada is quite serious, with its dogmas and saints.
As for now, it only has one saint: H.G. Wells. The saint of Time Travel and Invisibility.

[knightmare]

Ah, seriousness and the mocking of religions are hard to reconcile. H.G. Wells would make an awesome saint, he is a great scifi author, War of the Worlds is pretty good. But I am afraid you are forgetting another saint..John Keats, the literary voice in Hyperion. If you can incorporate scifi into dadaism, it would be incredible, even though it is a paradox, since obviously, dadaism is against such literary achievements. But still, it would unite all the nerds in the world.

[Godslayer Jillian]

Hold the conversation!!
You have read Hyperion??
Ohmefuckengoth of AWESOMENESS!!!

[knightmare]

Yes, and I must say you have good literary tastes.
The first one wasn't as good as the second one, The Fall of Hyperion. It has memorable characters like The Shrike, guardian of portals.

I like sci-fi, but it currently has been in a slump.

[knightmare]

heh, nice description Becky Slater. I have to agree that it describes current scifi. But there are several reasons for this slump, such as loss of the wow factor of technology due to the advancement of technology, less focus on character development and more concentration of special effects, etc.

[Godslayer Jillian]

I actually would have to disagree in a way with you. My favorite book of all is The Fall of Hyperion, but I cannot compare it with Hyperion because they're too different.
I prefer The Fall, but Hyperion is much more beautiful; it's more poetic.
The first story is the perfect avatar of suffering.
The story of Silenus is simply brilliant.
The story of Sol has made me cry.
And the story of Siri is better than Romeo & Juliet.

[knightmare]

Well, the Fall of Hyperion was a continuation of the first, not just a sequel. It is not as different as you think. I can see by your preference that you place raw emotion over abstract, scientific concepts in importance. So to me, it makes sense, that you'd like it the first one, since I do agree with you on most of your points.
I am glad that you see that the beauty of literature is not limited to a single genre. Instead, it can be seen in scifi, horror and other literature in which one least expects it.

[Godslayer Jillian]

Agh, it's so hard to choose a favorite one.
I love the Canterbury Tales style of the first one.
The Rise of Endymion is deeper, though. One cannot stop from having a crush with Aenea, and I love the description of all the rebellions. It has a perfect denouement.
But then again, although you learn that The Fall of Hyperion is erroneous, its climax is, for the lack of a better word, delicious; the fight of Kassad, epic; the sorrow of Sol, heartbreaking; and you gotta love Keats.
That's it. From now on, I'm referring to all the books as one big Hyperion Cantos to avoid so much conflict.

[knightmare]

You have to admit the end is sort of weird though. That God hid in a different dimension to hide from advancing AI of computers is sort of absurd to me. Maybe, I'm thinking of another book, haven't read it in a while.
Later,

[Magpie_Tendencies]

Well, I haven't been around in a while, but I have internet access again now so hopefully I'll be on a little more often.

Hi everyone! *waves happily to people she knows.* Any cool new members? Any uncool new members? Can I get a cliff notes version of the last few weeks?

[Godslayer Jillian]

Hahaha, the only important thing is that Marilyn Manson is in Family Guy at this moment, and he's better than Doctor Phil.

[Slap Your Love]

Ha. Speaking of Doctor Phil. A band should name their drum machine Doktor Phil. =] I would.

[Alaizabel Cray]

Oh, Slap Your Love, that's a good idea! Haha, I love it!

[Slap Your Love]

Perhaps it would be the band of Gnet, however that would be hard to make a band when so many people have so many different tastes. Heh.