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[Raptor]

Good argument Drake Dun.

On a slightly different note, I don't quite get how anyone can teach creationism in america (in schools) anyway... doesn't that violate the whole seperation of church and state thing or whatever it is? Hmm thats something I think I'll go look up actually, don't know what I'm talking about.

[deafasadoornail]

Hmm....I'm still not convinced. But I did learn something, Drake.

I learned I'm far too stupid to have an opinion on this. I don't believe in creationism, but I don't think I should believe in something that can't be explained in terms I can understand either. I majored in English and a lot of those sites make my brain hurt.

So I'll just abstain from having a position on either one in the future. This should make a lot of people happy.

[Drake Dun]

Originally Posted by Raptor

Good argument Drake Dun.

Thanks.

On a slightly different note, I don't quite get how anyone can teach creationism in america (in schools) anyway... doesn't that violate the whole seperation of church and state thing or whatever it is?

According to standing court precedent, yes. The entire point of the "ID" permutation was to ditch the stigma of "creationism" in favor of "a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions". In other words, to strip American creationism of its more embarassing bible-humping and recast it as a scientific theory. This was the much derided "wedge strategy" of the infamous Discovery Institute.

In 2005 a federal district court decided that ID is creationism. Presumably other federal district courts would follow suit, although at present I am unaware of any higher level precedent.

Drake

[Drake Dun]

Originally Posted by deafasadoornail

I learned I'm far too stupid to have an opinion on this. I don't believe in creationism, but I don't think I should believe in something that can't be explained in terms I can understand either. I majored in English and a lot of those sites make my brain hurt.

The links I posted in my previous post included some pretty heavy material. The reason for that is that they were compiled for the specific purpose of debate. In debate you are dealing with a hostile audience, so your presentation has to be water tight. That means getting down to the nitty gritty.

I am dead tired at the moment and I really need to go lose conciousness, but when I come back to the machine I will track down a good plain English introduction to evolutionary theory. The basic idea is actually quite simple... nothing you can't read about and get down clear in your head inside 30 minutes, I would think. It's worth knowing.

So I'll just abstain from having a position on either one in the future. This should make a lot of people happy.

I doubt anybody will get too upset about that. Anyway, I wasn't upset that you didn't have total faith in the factuality of evolution. It was the suggestion that the theory of evolution is unscientific that got me a bit riled.

Drake

[Drake Dun]

Okay, I have found a tolerable introduction to evolutionary theory on Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_evolution

Enjoy.

Drake