tHE MAINSTREAM WHORING OFF GOTH FASHION

[Grimm]

Originally Posted by Wormboy

He's sixteen and angsty, ignore him.

perhaps i shouldve put this into the complaint board... But there's no reason to get offended, Now that i look on it this is just spontanious bitching, i'm pretty much over it now... Eh..... Sorry, i am very contredictive, seems that is pissing everybody off... i really have no explination past that.... i'm a very confused person............... Forgive me...

[Tea and Cake or Death]

Eh.... It's no biggie either way. If you wear hot topic stuff, cool. It's easy & you can usually work a look with it. The downside to it is that you might wind up looking like everyone else. Those are my arguments for and against HT.

Now then, making your own stuff might take a while, and might not look polished, but that's it's charm. Wabi Sabi, and all that good shit. Plus, chances are, no one else has your piece.

[Splintered]

Dear OP,

If it's a fashion of any type, chances are it's being mass produced, sold, and marketed to a specific group of people. Fashion is almost defined by what is being marketed and sold to the people. (And no, I don't mean a literal "In the dictionary" definition)

It happened with the Hippies, it happened with the Punks, it happened with the Goths, it happened with the Metalheads, it happened with the Geeks, it happened with the Preps, it has happened and will happen to every subculture that has an impact larger then a small community.

As soon as it's enough people to make sales profitable, it'll be marketed, mass produced, and sold, because that's exactly how capitalism works. Take the geeks for instance: This was a subculture based in technical aspects, and now it's being marketed in places like ThinkGeek and small sections of Hot Topic and Spencers.

Goth isn't the minority that it used to be.

[Grimm]

Originally Posted by Tea and Cake or Death

Eh.... It's no biggie either way. If you wear hot topic stuff, cool. It's easy & you can usually work a look with it. The downside to it is that you might wind up looking like everyone else. Those are my arguments for and against HT.

Now then, making your own stuff might take a while, and might not look polished, but that's it's charm. Wabi Sabi, and all that good shit. Plus, chances are, no one else has your piece.

I've always kept that statement in mind, problem is i lack the supplies to make my own clothing and i have trouble finishing any projects i start because of severe ADD (not to be confused with ADHD.) And that also effects keeping a steady job for long... So i don't dress quite how i would like to. Sort of basic black.

[Tea and Cake or Death]

Originally Posted by Grimm

I've always kept that statement in mind, problem is i lack the supplies to make my own clothing and i have trouble finishing any projects i start because of severe ADD (not to be confused with ADHD.) And that also effects keeping a steady job for long... So i don't dress quite how i would like to. Sort of basic black.

So go to salvation army, buy some black tee shirts, get a pair of Skizzors and cut some holes in it. or just take some fabric paint to it. If you look around there are plenty of quick ways to customize things.

[Noirette]

It makes me more amused then angry.
And if they think that wearing gothic clothes makes them unique, it's even more amusing.


I would like to have some shops with gothic clothes here in Israel, it's just impossible to find clothes, espacially with my body type. Everytyhing's way too big for me.

[Solumina]

Originally Posted by Grimm

I've always kept that statement in mind, problem is i lack the supplies to make my own clothing and i have trouble finishing any projects i start because of severe ADD (not to be confused with ADHD.) And that also effects keeping a steady job for long... So i don't dress quite how i would like to. Sort of basic black.

Oh big fucking woop, you have ADD, do something about it, go on meds, get therapy, or learn to fucking cope, don't use it as a crutch. It doesn't make anyone actually feel bad for you, it just makes people with ADD look like useless, whiny brats.

[MitsyMayhem]

I agree!
My mom uses that as an excuse for her and my brother.
'Oh I forgot, sorry I have ADD remember..."
It's the most annoying thing in the world to hear.
Or I'll ask her permission, she'll say yes, I do it and then she gets pissed. I tell her she agreed and she's all "I have Add you need to get my attention first blah..." In the end, I'm the one in trouble.

[MollyMac]

A crutch one one person's part does not necessitate an apology on the part of the other. Give them their weakness, keep your strength.

[Technowitch]

Originally Posted by Grimm

I've always kept that statement in mind, problem is i lack the supplies to make my own clothing and i have trouble finishing any projects i start because of severe ADD (not to be confused with ADHD.) And that also effects keeping a steady job for long... So i don't dress quite how i would like to. Sort of basic black.

Patches, buttons, badges, and safety pins are all cheap and easy to apply ways to customize an outfit. Let's say you have a favorite jacket; get a patch you like and sew it onto the back, then find some neat logo pins or grab some old military badges from a flea market and apply them to the chest. Got a favorite t-shirt that's seen better days? Cut out the logo and stitch it onto a plain t-shirt in a contrasting color, or safety pin it onto your bookbag. You can replace the plain buttons on a button-down shirt with funky ones from a craft store.

Don't let ADD prevent you from doing something creative. There's tons of quick ways to make your wardrobe unique.

[Tam Li Hua]

I agree with Technowitch. There are simple ways to be creative, even with a learning disability.

That being said, if your ADD is bad enough that it hinders your ability to hold down a job, I would say it's time to see a doctor. They have ways to treat things like that now that could help you live a more normal life.

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[Cicero]

Thanks to leopard print being so fashionable lately I was able to get a pair of green leopard print jeans on Oxford Street in London for only 10 pounds. So my opinion of gothy things in mainstream fashion? YES PLEASE.

[She_Is_My_Sin]

I'm quite grateful for it. I managed to get a cobweb print summer dress from Topshop, a silk scarf with skulls on for less than five pounds, plus I've managed to stock up on some patent shoes.

Without all these items of clothing being easily available, I'd probably have to fork out more than twice as much for some tacky, impractical, velvet crap from the local 'goff shop'.

[DeepDarkDee]

I really don't have a issue with like Hot topic selling goth cloths, and you really have a issue with other people wearing Gothic cloths, (Maybe there trying to understand who they are too) Then surely you should DIY your clothes to be different (If you don't already DIY your clothes) But in england theres only really Camden that sells Gothic fashions, and i don't really get to go there alot because its half way up the contry to me. So i have to get gothic fashions were i can XD and I think its really hard to find anywhere to ship the UK (I dunno if hot topic does XD)

But yeah, Complain all you want but in the end you still shopped there.

[moonlightrose]

HT kinda got me into the gothic subculture, so I can't complain. I don't really shop much there anymore, but they have some cool accessories. I don't have a problem with non-goths shopping there. I thought it was hilarious when I was walking by HT in the mall and I heard this girl wearing Hollister say to her friend "I dare you to go in there!" and the girl like freaked out. I couldn't help but laugh. Sorry, I had to share that story.

I don't see the big deal about shopping at HT. As long as your whole wardrobe isn't from there, it's ok. A few things here and there doesn't make you a poser or anything.

[She_Is_My_Sin]

Originally Posted by DeepDarkDee

But in england theres only really Camden that sells Gothic fashions, and i don't really get to go there alot because its half way up the contry to me. So i have to get gothic fashions were i can XD and I think its really hard to find anywhere to ship the UK (I dunno if hot topic does XD)

Strictly speaking, there's a hell of alot of clothes at Camden that can be brought in several different shops there, aswell as throughout the country. Brands such as 'Omen', 'Laughing Vampire' and 'Alchemy' for example. I've seen most of the same items of clothing available in Brighton, Glasgow and my hometown. Plus there's Attitude Clothing, a company that sell those brands online and it's within England. Everything is as easily available as items in other shops. You just have to look a little harder around towns sometimes.

[Joker_in_the_Pack]

I don't mind Hot Topic too much. Good place to get black skinny jeans that stretch. Some shirts are cool too, plus studded wristbands and belts. Even if you don't like the stud designs, you can always modify them and make them cool.


Oh and to the original poster. A) Most diagnosed cases of ADD or ADHD are pure bullshit.

B) If you knew anything about ADD you'd know it doesn't exist. They reclassified it and there's only ADHD and ADHD predominantely Inattentive, or ADHD-I. This by the way, happened in 1994, so don't hide behind some sort of pity shield.

C) ADHD can be fought against with therapy or some fucking will power. Don't be weak and accept the role of victim. You want to keep a job? Learn self control.

[Murasaki eyeliner]

Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia

You're a fucking dumbass.

for once ophi i entirely agree with you,to the original poster:get a life you brat

[Solumina]

Originally Posted by Joker_in_the_Pack

Oh and to the original poster. A) Most diagnosed cases of ADD or ADHD are pure bullshit.

B) If you knew anything about ADD you'd know it doesn't exist. They reclassified it and there's only ADHD and ADHD predominantely Inattentive, or ADHD-I. This by the way, happened in 1994, so don't hide behind some sort of pity shield.

C) ADHD can be fought against with therapy or some fucking will power. Don't be weak and accept the role of victim. You want to keep a job? Learn self control.

While I agree with two of your points your points I just wanted to say that if you are already diagnosed with ADD most docs aren't going to change your diagnosis to ADHD-1 and will still refer to what you have as ADD so just cuz you call what you have ADD doesn't mean that you have no clue, hell a lot of psychologists/psychiatrists who aren't specialists still refer to the disorder as ADD.

[TheBloodEternity]

As someone who has ADHD (and yes I know the difference, and Solumina is right btw) I feel like ripping my eyeballs out every time somebody uses it as a crutch like that. >.>

Anyways, as people have said the pro to goth becoming more mainstream is coming by cool clothes easier and cheaper, but the con is that other people are guaranteed to have what you have.

[MitsyMayhem]

I DIY a lot of things. Like my jewelry for example. I actually took a masking tape roll, a belt that broke from about two years ago that I got from Walmart, some black paint left over from my Shakespeare stage project and some black ribbon left over from another project and made a bracelet. It was pretty simple. Painted the roll, waited for it to dry, cut the studs will like a square boarder of the pleather around it, glued them on there and left and open area and glued a black silk bow on it from the ribbon. It cost me no money and I just had these things lying around.

Don't even get me started on my purses XD

[Black Leilia]

It seems like some people are very insecure about their identities, so they must use 'self-expression' and be all 'different' and 'against popular society' and so they dress goth... and then, when all of the sudden they see too many people wearing this certain style, their own identity and style is threatened, and so they freak out, saying terrible things about Hot Topic and "posers" who are trying to steal their style and so on... that's what I'm seeing.

Seriously, what's the big deal? I personally like certain styles of dress, and now that some stores are selling more of what I like, I am happy, and I will go buy more. I don't give a fuck who else is wearing these things. I wear these things because I like them.

[Underwater Ophelia]

That's a good attitude, I think.

[Pineapple_Juice]

This has been happening for a long time. I know this because I posted a thread discussing the same thing in a different forum a few years ago.

[Arkayem]

First off while I agree on the fact that goth is all about self expression through various art forms such as fashion and music, and that people buying simply to feel "cool" and "fit in" is stupid its not entirely bad.
I mean there may be a person who was too shamed to dress in a slightly dark way or just couldn't find the right spots to express their "dark sense of style", and now they can, ever thought about it that way?

Hey as long as you as an individual keep doing what you've been doing there is no need to lament over someone else's change wether it be through fashion, music or mentally.