Adolf Hitler toddler removed from parents

[Saya]

Clearly Despanan is one of Them.

I'm onto you, sir.

[KontanKarite]

He really is. His duty is to Arch people. Believe me, I know first hand.

[tekajo]

Originally Posted by Despanan

How does naming your children stuff like Adolf Hitler and Aryan Nation not indicate the strong likely hood of a fucked-up situation to you?

For that matter, why the hell do people on this sight always assume that society is horribly corrupt and in the wrong every damn time? There's always some jackoff assuming that there's some big evil institution oppressing everyone no matter how fucking nuts the situation is.

When an infant dies, and her mother has AIDS but refuses to take medicine, stop breastfeeding, and continues to have unprotected sex with her husband. The coroner's conclusion that she died from AIDS is suddenly a political move from a power-mad doctor.

When an infant who's been named ADOLF HITLER is taken away from his family, it's not because the parents are most likely deranged, it's a political assault on free-speech.

Health Codes don't exist to protect public health they exist so that grocery stores and restaurants can throw out their old stock for the sake of wasting it, because we all know that corporations just like doing that kind of shit.

What the fuck is wrong with some of you people?

lol That is why i like this cat.

[Despanan]

Originally Posted by KontanKarite

He really is. His duty is to Arch people. Believe me, I know first hand.

FEAR ME DR. VENTURE!

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[Mealla]

Not saying something fucked up isn't going on. And if it is, then sure. Just saying that as fucked up as naming a kid Adolph Hitler is, people have named their kids fucked up things before. I don't condone removing a kid from a home solely on the basis of what someone chose to name their kid(s).

If I ever have kids, I don't plan on naming them after anyone who slaughtered millions of people, but if there's precedent for removing a child from a home on the basis of a name, what happens if someone down the line doesn't like what I name my kids, or finds my choice of name controversial?

[JCC]

Originally Posted by Joker_in_the_Pack

No, seriously JCC, I'm with them on this. Why is it confusing. You know my opinions on rights and freedoms, and on stirring the pot, but they really should accept the fact that it would rattle peoples cages.

No, you don't get it. Tam Li Hua said that they should be held responsible for naming their child after a criminal.

1. Adolf Hitler was not just a criminal, he is symbolic of the very highest point of the growth of anti-Semitism and racism, it's more important than just being a criminal.

2. This action was not taken exclusively, or even mainly, because he was named Adolf Hitler, it was because he was being indoctrinated with Nazi rhetoric.

However, Tam Li Hua makes it sound like you shouldn't call your child Bugsy Malone or something or your kids should be taken away.

[Underwater Ophelia]

Originally Posted by JCC

No, you don't get it. Tam Li Hua said that they should be held responsible for naming their child after a criminal.

1. Adolf Hitler was not just a criminal, he is symbolic of the very highest point of the growth of anti-Semitism and racism, it's more important than just being a criminal.

2. This action was not taken exclusively, or even mainly, because he was named Adolf Hitler, it was because he was being indoctrinated with Nazi rhetoric.

However, Tam Li Hua makes it sound like you shouldn't call your child Bugsy Malone or something or your kids should be taken away.

We don't know that for sure.

[Despanan]

Originally Posted by Mealla

Not saying something fucked up isn't going on. And if it is, then sure. Just saying that as fucked up as naming a kid Adolph Hitler is, people have named their kids fucked up things before. I don't condone removing a kid from a home solely on the basis of what someone chose to name their kid(s).

If I ever have kids, I don't plan on naming them after anyone who slaughtered millions of people, but if there's precedent for removing a child from a home on the basis of a name, what happens if someone down the line doesn't like what I name my kids, or finds my choice of name controversial?

But no one is setting a "lets remove kids from homes because of their name" precedent here, so why are you arguing against it? That's like when Korrinna stated, after a four page argument about AIDS that she was defending the AIDS denier's right to free speech, even though no one had said anything about free speech, and nothing in the thread had anything to do with free speech.

Stop creating arguments that don't exist.

[Mealla]

The "let's remove kids from homes because of their name" idea came from the way I interpreted the article. Journalism has its own biases though and perhaps it was the way they presented the story, and there could easily be more to it. I have no argument against the social ramifications of naming a child something controversial.

[ThreeEyesOni]

Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia

We don't know that for sure.

I'm perfectly willing to jump to this assumption when the kid's little sister is fucking named Aryan Nation. I find that to be a sturdy limb that I am not only willing to go out on, but I will fucking jump up and down on it.

"Adolf" is an ok name to give someone. "Hitler" is probably not. "Adolf Hitler" definately is not. The name "Adolf Hitler" alone would make me want someone to investigate as a matter of fact. The name "Aryan Nation" makes me pretty sure that the DHHS folks will probably be wanting a police escort.

"Adolf Hitler" isn't exaclty like "Sunbeam Moonchild".

[exacerbatedpoet]

I agree with ThreeEyesOi. Lets forget about Hitler for a sec. I mean Aryan Nation? What the fuck? That's not even a name. You don't come up with names like that out of nowhere. They knew a fucked up situation was going to happen and when it finally did they acted like they had no idea and were so outraged. This isn't about free speech. Its about owning up to what they did. They knew something was going to happen but they went on anyway. Now they have to deal with the fallout. End of story. I also agree with Despanan on so many levels.

[gothicusmaximus]

Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia

We don't know that for sure.

Clearly he was actually named after Adolf Hitler the florist, known for his beautiful arrangements of Aryan CarNations. The swastikas in their house were probably Buddhist symbols of peace.

[HumanePain]

Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia

We don't know that for sure.

This is what I love about Ophie: she questions the obvious, and does not agree willy-nilly with everyone. Sometimes the answers are surprising.

Ophie: you would make a good defense lawyer.

[ThreeEyesOni]

Originally Posted by HumanePain

you would make a good defense lawyer.

Personally, I don't know if I'd take that as a compliment. *chuckles*

[Ethawyn]

sigh.............. this is one fucked up world hate it, tried to make it go away.

[Underwater Ophelia]

Originally Posted by gothicusmaximus

Clearly he was actually named after Adolf Hitler the florist, known for his beautiful arrangements of Aryan CarNations. The swastikas in their house were probably Buddhist symbols of peace.

What you just said is pointless.
I never said they weren't Neo-Nazis, and I didn't say they weren't teaching their children to hate everyone but themselves.

I said we don't know if that's why they were taken from their parents.

Neither of the parents had a job. It's possible the kids were living in squalor and didn't have enough to eat, and child services was alerted because of all the media attention.

I'm not saying it's impossible that the kids were taken away because of their names. I am saying that it's stupid to wah wah wah about how horrible or cheer because it's good when you don't and can't know that it's true.

[badteccy]

Originally Posted by gothicusmaximus

Clearly he was actually named after Adolf Hitler the florist, known for his beautiful arrangements of Aryan CarNations.

Hurf durf.


(I did like that.)

[Tam Li Hua]

JCC: That's not what I meant at all. What I meant was that, if one is going to do something so ostentatious, then they should be prepared for the social backlash it's going to cause. They should -expect- that most folks are going to react negatively, such as with the woman who refused to write "Adolf Hitler" on the kids' birthday cake.

As for having the kids taken away, it's not legal to do that just because of the name. However, it wouldn't surprise me if they found other things in the home that revealed the parents as being unfit to raise their kids. [Seriously, would a sane, well-adjusted human put their kid through that kind of trauma, even if they lean towards the Nazi end of things? Methinks not.]

Edit: By the way, I don't think naming a kid "Bugsy Malone" would get the same kind of public outcry that "Adolf Hitler" would, since folks seem more riled up about Hitler than about Bugsy.

[gothicusmaximus]

Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia

What you just said is pointless.
I never said they weren't Neo-Nazis, and I didn't say they weren't teaching their children to hate everyone but themselves.

I said we don't know if that's why they were taken from their parents.

Neither of the parents had a job. It's possible the kids were living in squalor and didn't have enough to eat, and child services was alerted because of all the media attention.

I'm not saying it's impossible that the kids were taken away because of their names. I am saying that it's stupid to wah wah wah about how horrible or cheer because it's good when you don't and can't know that it's true.

Yes, it is possible that, on top of being indoctrinated with Nazi rhetoric, the kids were living in a squalid, miserable environment. However, either one of these circumstances would alone be sufficient to warrant the removal of the children.
That's why the home was investigated in the first place. The state had a hunch that kids with names like that might have had neo-nazis for parents.

[ThreeEyesOni]

For those of you that don't read Fark, I bring you this:

Adolescents with Unpopular Names More Prone to Committing Crime

"A new study in the journal Social Science Quarterly examined the relationship between first name popularity in adolescents and tendency to commit crime. Results show that, regardless of race, juveniles with unpopular names are more likely to engage in criminal activity."

Not that this should really come as much of a shocker.

[LaBelleDameSansMerci]

So young Apple will grow up to be a serial murderer? :P

[ThreeEyesOni]

I'd give that decent enough odds to place a $10 bet on it.

But seriously, the point of the study actually gets around to saying that the root cause is the parents that give these names. Basically it amounts to the fact that most parents that give their kids nutty names are fucking nuts. Go figure. So parent is "a bit" to "abso-fucking-lutely" odd, has a kid, gives the kid a name that will at best be something teased about 20% more than average kids (because what kid isn't teased about thier name at some point), and then certainly doesn't raise the kid much better from then on out.

[LaBelleDameSansMerci]

Except for the "they lash out cuz they're self-conscious and have no friends" thing, it's just a correlation. No actual cause and effect. Parents giving their kid a weird name does not cause them to live in a disadvantaged home or cause them to live in a home run by one parent (well, not necessarily on the last one :P).

I also don't think that their "country with a low socioeconomic status" reason for giving a weird name is valid. It's entirely possible that what is a weird name here is a perfectly normal one there. They must have only used data from countries of high socioeconomic status... Probably western since the most popular name is "Matthew," so I don't see how the "living in a country with a low socioeconomic status" thing really fits in.

[ThreeEyesOni]

It isn't meant to be a cause and effect. It is meant to be a correlation. It's statistically there; kids at the lower-probability spectrum have a higher probability of "breaking bad" than the people up at the top. It isn't to say that one will or one won't, because that's not what statistics mean.

"Conclusions. Unpopular names are likely not the cause of crime but correlated with factors that increase the tendency toward juvenile delinquency, such as a disadvantaged home environment and residence in a county with low socioeconomic status."

What they mean by the "low socioeconomic status" has nothing to do with the giving of the name. That is put in there by the researchers that they thing that the names/home environments would be a contributing factor to larger issues such as living in a ghetto.

Basically you're not going to have a better life in the ghetto if your name is "Freud Signalwave Peterson".

[Solumina]

Originally Posted by ThreeEyesOni

"Freud Signalwave Peterson".

That would be a fantastic name.