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01-15-2009, 05:15 PM
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"Murdering the innocent to advance an ideology is wrong every time, everywhere."
Given the speaker of this sentence, does anyone else find this hypocritical?
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01-15-2009, 05:17 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
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This is from Bush? Hell yeah, it's hypocritical.
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01-15-2009, 07:46 PM
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Yes it is from Bush's farewell address. I can't begin to understand how he can say such blatantly hypocritical things and there are still many people who cheer when he does so.
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01-15-2009, 07:49 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Chicago, Illinois
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Originally Posted by Solumina
Yes it is from Bush's farewell address. I can't begin to understand how he can say such blatantly hypocritical things and there are still many people who cheer when he does so.
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Most Americans don't know what hypocritical means, he's safe.
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01-15-2009, 07:58 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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*Head explodes*
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01-15-2009, 08:32 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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Na. It's good. It's American...fuck yeah.
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01-15-2009, 08:46 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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It's not murder if you put on the right clothes and make obeisances to a piece of cloth tied to a metal pole first. That makes it heroism. Jeez, don't you guys know anything?
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01-15-2009, 09:18 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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I am reminded of Voltaire...
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01-15-2009, 09:20 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2008
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Originally Posted by PortraitOfSanity
Most Americans don't know what hypocritical means...
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I don't think he does either, as a matter of fact.
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01-15-2009, 10:47 PM
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Join Date: May 2008
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Well he has proven himself to be a cretin on numerous occasions so.....
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01-15-2009, 11:22 PM
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People have been criticizing Bush at the whim of a hat every since he arrived in President, but really he's just a West Texas girl trying to put food on his family. You shouldn't misunderestimate him.
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01-15-2009, 11:29 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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Originally Posted by Drake Dun
People have been criticizing Bush at the whim of a hat every since he arrived in President, but really he's just a West Texas girl trying to put food on his family. You shouldn't misunderestimate him.
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I'm guilty of mixing idioms too from time to time. And of mixerating my expressivation.
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01-16-2009, 07:11 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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I'm not fond of the guy, but I don't think he ever murdered anybody.
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01-16-2009, 07:22 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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So you don't think he's responsible for the deaths he caused in an unjustified war, just because he didn't pull the trigger?
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I don't hate you. Saying I hate you would be like saying I hate a dog with no legs trying to cross a busy freeway.
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01-16-2009, 07:53 AM
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He is no more directly responsible for those deaths than you or I are. We're both citizens of the US and have funded that war in one manner or another.
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01-16-2009, 08:01 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Chicago, Illinois
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You know the President is the Commander In Chief of the Armed Forces, and responsible for any actions thereof, right?
And I dunno about you, but I'm a dual citizen and can avoid a draft. 
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You should talk you fugly, cat bashing, psychopathic urinal on two legs...
-Jack_the_knife
I don't hate you. Saying I hate you would be like saying I hate a dog with no legs trying to cross a busy freeway.
-Mr. Filth
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01-16-2009, 08:23 AM
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Are the men and women serving in the military also murderers?
Its got nothing to do with a draft. Providing funding for a measure is supporting it. Have you read Thoreau's "Civil Disobedience"? I highly reccomend it. He went to jail because he refused to support a war. Unless you've gone through a similar experience, any criticisms are just idle statements of opinion.
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01-16-2009, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Jonathan
Are the men and women serving in the military also murderers?
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Yes, they are.
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01-16-2009, 10:03 AM
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Then by extention, the tax payers that are providing for the wages and equipment for these men and women are murderers as well. They couldn't do it without us.
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01-16-2009, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Jonathan
Then by extention, the tax payers that are providing for the wages and equipment for these men and women are murderers as well. They couldn't do it without us.
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No, they are aiding and abetting.
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01-16-2009, 12:10 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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Do you mean incorrect or morally wrong?
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01-16-2009, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Jonathan
Then by extention, the tax payers that are providing for the wages and equipment for these men and women are murderers as well. They couldn't do it without us.
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We're not equally guilty.
That completely ignores the role of a government, the inequality of power, the definition of Commander In Chief, and the forced subordination of the military.
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Originally Posted by George Carlin
People who say they don’t care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don’t care what people think.
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01-16-2009, 12:53 PM
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I'm not talking about who has a bigger percentage of culpability. However, other than express opinions, no one has really done a whole lot to oppose this action in any meaningful manner.
Thoreau spent a day in jail because he didn't like what his tax dollars were going toward. By cooperating and contributing to the system, we're "voting with our dollars" and propping this up.
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01-16-2009, 02:13 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: El Paso, Texas/ Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua
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But you're pretending to absolve Bush's fault as the commander in chief of the American military force, which is just not reasonable.
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Originally Posted by George Carlin
People who say they don’t care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don’t care what people think.
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01-16-2009, 04:52 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
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Let's say someone comes to your house with a baseball bat and threatens to break your hand if you don't give him your wallet. You cave and give the guy your wallet. He uses the money to buy a gun, and shoots a school up with it. Congratulations, you're a child killer?
I understand the point you're trying to get across, but I don't think pretending there's an equivalency between Bush and John Q. Taxpayer is the way to do it.
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