Random Bookbag/Locker Checks - Page 2

emeraldlonewoulf · 03-17-2006, 09:41 PM

one thing to think about here is how this conditions a new generation to think about intrusions and abuses of authority. So yeah, they search your locker, car, personal backpack, clothing , walk you through metal detectors, etc. If you become used to this as an everyday part of life from five to eighteen, how are you supposed to have any background to fight illegal search and seizure, or respect any personal right to privacy? As a mass culture, we need to think about how this will affect our thinking in another fifty years. We are treating people like criminals merely because they are young, and try to pass i9t off as some sort of "protection". Kids aren't any dumber or smarter than the rest of us. If they want to get around the rules, they will find a way. if they want to smoke, drink, or carry a gun, they will. They only way they won't is if they have beentaught or shown why not to. In the mean time, all the others will have been trained by society to allow their government to intrude on their privacy, and limit their freedom. Its the same thing happening on our streets, with cameras installed on the corners, hoping to catch criminals in the act. Some false protection is set up to watch all of us. It won't prevent the crime from happening, it will just change its' appearance.

emeraldlonewoulf · 03-22-2006, 10:04 PM

What I propose is parents being held responsible for their children. If a parent feels a school is unsafe, put your kid in a different school. If the kid brings a gun to school, or is threatening other students, or uses or distributed drugs, or alcohol, or anything else fucked up, you KICK THAT KID OUT FOR A WHILE, to safeguard the rest. That kid needs to be held responsible for his actions, and his or her parents need to be held responsible for that childs training.

It is not the responsibility of government to educate children. It is the responsiblity of parents. It is not up to schools to raise children, or babysit them, it is a parents' job to teach and care for them.

Please do not get the idea that I think schools are a bad idea. They are a good one. But I think our modern day view of schools' place in a childs' life is somewhat skewed. Parents should be the driving force behind a kids' rearing, taking into consideration that childs specific talents or stumbling blocks, as opposed to a cookic cutter, government designed, brainwashing exercise.

And I never said guns in school is something that needs helping. It does need to be eleiminated, desperately. I never listened to assemblies is school, and D.A.R.E. doesn't work either, at least not after about age six. Again, it comes down to the adults in a childs life being the role models and instructors.

If people get used to it at a young age now, when the cops want to do a search of your home without cause, or confiscate your vehicle without a warrant, or read every single message ever sent on your computer, or read your mail, or listen to your phone calls, people won't be as likely to object. It is true the government can pretty much already do those things, but at least their is some level of public outcry when it happens.

What I was trying to bring attention to was the overall cultural effect of allowing searches of personal property at such a young age. It is just one more step to an ever increasing level of control on peoples lives. Sure, it doesn't seem like such a big deal right now, it is only to protect people. But how much of our personal freedoms are we willing to sacrifice for some false sense of safety? It all seems like a good idea, until things that shouldn't be controlled in a persons' life become illegal.

CptSternn · 03-23-2006, 08:40 AM

Xng - you will never elimiate violence as long as you live in a culture that legalises shoot first policies along side of federal pre-emptive strike policies.

Telling the citizens of a nation that has such laws to not carry weapons as its bad is like Anhesuer Busch, Phillip Morris, and Mersch telling people not to take drugs. Oh wait... (yeah, ever seen the list of members of the Partnership for a Drug free America who pays for all those 'this is your brain on drugs' and other ads)

Can't be done until you eliminate the mentality. And with that mentality going all the way to the white house and the white house having deep roots in religion, there is no where a child can look without seeing gun violence in america. With 1 in 5 of all americans either in prison or having been to prison, and that number increasing exponetially every year, it shows this is a trend thats not changing either.

Em - Yer spot on. I can't even add to that cuz that was what i was going to say.

emeraldlonewoulf · 03-27-2006, 12:47 AM

Violence is not in the weapon. It is in the person. You can use anything as a weapon, hell, you can kill someone with a plastic spoon, or a toothbrush, or a ball point pen, or your bare hands.

And OF COURSE fireearms do no belong in a school environment. Period. Although, my highschool had a .22 rifle team/club, and I learned some valuable lessons from it. I realize this only works in rural areas, but it was of benefit for those involved.

CptSternn · 03-27-2006, 08:45 AM

In the immortal words of Archie Bunker...

Daughter: Last year 20,000 people were killed in america by guns

Archie: Would you have felt better if they were pushed out of windows?

Limerick is a perfect example of this. Limerick is known affectionately as 'stab city' because there are more stabbings there than anywhere else in Ireland. Just because you take guns out of the equation doesn't mean people won't still go after each other trying to kill one another.

Empty_Purple_Stars · 03-27-2006, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CptSternn

With 1 in 5 of all americans either in prison or having been to prison, and that number increasing exponetially every year.

I really don't have much to say these days, but I couldn't let this one slide.

Care to cite a RELIABLE source on that Bold little statistic up there?

Usually I would ask for three..

However, I'll be happy with ONE reliable source that states that statistic is accurate, and reveals what process was used to gather this information objectively.

*waits*

CptSternn · 04-05-2006, 03:01 AM

Ask and ye shall receive...

1 Out Of 32 Americans Under Correctional Supervision

http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/census...a/aainjail.htm

While 1 out of every 142 Americans is now actually in prison, 1 out of every 32 of us is either in prison or on parole from prison, according to yet another report on Americans behaving badly from the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
This means that 6.7 million adult men and women -- about 3.1 percent of the total U.S. adult population -- are now very non-voluntary members of America's "correctional community."

Also...

http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/census...aprisonpop.htm

Non-citizen prison population also growing
As of last June 30, state and federal correctional authorities held 88,776 non-citizens

...That second stat is to back up the idea that illiegals commit less crimes than citizens which I posted in another thread. With 11 million in the states and less than 90,000 in prison compared to 1 in 32, thats pretty impressive.

Also note those are 2002 figures. The numbers I quoted were from the recent 2005 report which are much higher.

I could only find a 2004 report from this site with some new stats:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0528-02.htm

But it states 1 in every 75 men in america is IN prison, and doesn't have the parolees nor former inmates in their stats.

But judging by those stats, which are MUCH higher than 2002, ye get the idea. I'll keep looking for the most recent stats article I read that on, but everytime I try to limit any search with PRISON and 2005 in it I get a million articles on Iraq.