Jesus Saves :) - Page 3

Green.Lady · 02-20-2008, 06:48 PM

I'm not Christian, I'm sort of an agnostic with a few pagan beliefs, but I think Jesus is awesome and a really nice guy. I just don't like the hypocrisy portrayed by some (not all) Christians (I have good friends who are Christians and accept LGBT people), such as:

Taking "a man shall not lie with another man" as a set rule and using it to discriminate, but not following other rules like the ones about not wearing poly-cotton blends and not eating shellfish.

KontanKarite · 02-20-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by L'Oiseau Noir

To the Original Poster:

Plain and simple, people are pissheads here and haven't respect for religion outside of Atheism and Paganism, or Agnosticism--whatever the fuck they believe in. Basically, as long as it isn't Christianity or something remotely similar, they'll accept your faith and respect the fact you believe in it. But, nope, not if you're a Christian. They'll debate it from sunup 'til sundown, until you concede to them and agree with their arguments.

Unfortunately, the majority on these boards hate (or strongly dislike) Christians here at G.net, most likely because they've had experience with negative confrontations with Christians in the past, so they're still hung up on it. They don't want us around, and quite frankly I have no idea why I stay. You're better off going to a Christian forum, or you can always PM me and we can discuss Christianity if that suits your fancy. It's nice to see someone on these boards who doesn't hate or dislike me for what I believe in.

First off, STFU about the whole Christian hating. As far as I know, you and HP are highly respected members here. Weeping is an idiot. Trust me on this one. If this turns out to be a flame war, base your side on logic and not whoever is waving the Jesus flag. At least you have a head on your shoulders. At least you can make sense out of your faith.

"Fine. Enjoy Hell."

I don't plan on it.

L'Oiseau Noir · 02-20-2008, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Green.Lady

I'm not Christian, I'm sort of an agnostic with a few pagan beliefs, but I think Jesus is awesome and a really nice guy. I just don't like the hypocrisy portrayed by some (not all) Christians (I have good friends who are Christians and accept LGBT people), such as:

Taking "a man shall not lie with another man" as a set rule and using it to discriminate, but not following other rules like the ones about not wearing poly-cotton blends and not eating shellfish.

Glad to know not everyone's out to rip apart Christian beliefs on the boards.

And I don't like how the radicals portray themselves, and other Christians, with their bullshit like the "Against Gays" campaigns they have so often. I have gay friends, and dude, I could care less about it either.

KontanKarite · 02-20-2008, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by L'Oiseau Noir

Glad to know not everyone's out to rip apart Christian beliefs on the boards.

And I don't like how the radicals portray themselves, and other Christians, with their bullshit like the "Against Gays" campaigns they have so often. I have gay friends, and dude, I could care less about it either.

Maybe that's because you were smart enough to realize that your God is more powerful than you and doesn't need you to push any force on others by virtue that if God wills it, it will be. You are still a being of your own mind and for that, I respect where you're coming from at least.

I just wish there were more Christians like you.

L'Oiseau Noir · 02-20-2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KontanKarite

First off, STFU about the whole Christian hating. As far as I know, you and HP are highly respected members here. Weeping is an idiot. Trust me on this one. If this turns out to be a flame war, base your side on logic and not whoever is waving the Jesus flag. At least you have a head on your shoulders. At least you can make sense out of your faith.

"Fine. Enjoy Hell."

I don't plan on it.

It just pisses me off seeing so many negative things being said about what I believe in. I'm tired of being labeled as "another extremist" by people who don't even fucking know me. You don't see me traversing threads and slinging mud at other religions, or constantly debating it just for the sake of proving the other person wrong and how their beliefs are rubbish. You don't do that sort of shit, it's not respectful in the least.

And no, I'm not a respected member here. Almost ninety percent of the people here hate my guts. H.P, on the other hand, is a respected member.

MollyMac · 02-20-2008, 06:54 PM

Dude, most people here are not Anti-Christian. They are anti-blind-following. HP gets respect because he has very much analyzed his beliefs and can discuss them and not be a twat.

I have no problems with Christianity or even most christians. I rip on everyone. deal.

L'Oiseau Noir · 02-20-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KontanKarite

Maybe that's because you were smart enough to realize that your God is more powerful than you and doesn't need you to push any force on others by virtue that if God wills it, it will be. You are still a being of your own mind and for that, I respect where you're coming from at least.

I just wish there were more Christians like you.

I wish so, too, but unfortunately a good portion of them are fuckheads who've been brainwashed by the churches. Now, I'm not against churchgoing, but I am against how the pastors will, many times, bend things written in the Bible for their own benefit so they can project their personal beliefs onto the congregation, as well as making negative impressions on the younger churchgoers' minds. So right there you have a whole new generation there to lead about like sheep. There to back them up through thick and thin, and spread their bullshit.

Unfortunately, the majority are too dumb to think for themselves anymore, and instead like being shepherded around.

PinstripesAndPithHelmets · 02-20-2008, 07:00 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EUYxQe5ino

Sacrilicious. Yeah.

Tha Duckman · 02-20-2008, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MollyMac

I rip on everyone. deal.

I'MMA **** YOU IN YR SPINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tha Duckman · 02-20-2008, 07:02 PM

This thread needs tits.

knightmare · 02-20-2008, 07:03 PM

Hey, I know religion discussions can be very emotional, but labeling Christians as "radicals" because they stand up for their belief of homosexuality as sin is irrational. It's true that God hates homosexuality, He says so repeatedly in the Bible. However, He also has compassion and even blesses those who hate Him. Jesus even spent alot of time ministering to the outcasts of society like prostitutes. If you try to appease people with your worldviews, might as well call yourself a nominal Christian. How can a Christian have an opposing view of morality than that of his God?

MollyMac · 02-20-2008, 07:04 PM

Alls I gots are a tit-mouse and blue-footed boobies.

L'Oiseau Noir · 02-20-2008, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenmother

Well defending needs to be done for lesser minds who can not do it themselves, L'Oiseau Noir. However...it is only a recent count of members that have shown horrible taste at bashing another religion. I don't bash...I listen and put in opinion.

I can't agree more with Kotan about weeping being an idot. She behaves as if she is a 4 year old, that includes her grammar. I'm not saying that I am perfect with the english language...but damn it even I know that you don't write 'I am a gothic'. I believe that she needs to study a little harder.

I don't dislike her for her religion...I dislike her for her ignorance. There is history to this forum. There is history to all religions. She fails to see them both. Again, I don't claim to know everything...nor will I ever know everything. I hope that you can turn her little attitude problem into being able to 'make sense' of all opinions...and to look at them as such. Just because someone doesn't believe in the all mighty doesn't mean that they should be condemed to place they don't believe.

She throws that around alot. Not only that but she has broken a commandment herself by not treating thy neighbor as you would like to be treated. She has called and thrown names around when she could have turned the other cheek. This whole thing makes me giggle.

Does no one else see how silly this is?

No, I completely understand what you're getting at, and I agree with you. Unfortunately there's a good chance she's the product of extensive brainwashing by the churches. See my above post for a bit more details about that.

MollyMac · 02-20-2008, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by knightmare

Hey, I know religion discussions can be very emotional, but labeling Christians as "radicals" because they stand up for their belief of homosexuality as sin is irrational. It's true that God hates homosexuality, He says so repeatedly in the Bible. However, He also has compassion and even blesses those who hate Him. Jesus even spent alot of time ministering to the outcasts of society like prostitutes. If you try to appease people with your worldviews, might as well call yourself a nominal Christian. How can a Christian have an opposing view of morality than that of his God?

God doesn't say so. Paul did. Paul ain't god.

KontanKarite · 02-20-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by L'Oiseau Noir

I wish so, too, but unfortunately a good portion of them are fuckheads who've been brainwashed by the churches. Now, I'm not against churchgoing, but I am against how the pastors will, many times, bend things written in the Bible for their own benefit so they can project their personal beliefs onto the congregation, as well as making negative impressions on the younger churchgoers' minds. So right there you have a whole new generation there to lead about like sheep. There to back them up through thick and thin, and spread their bullshit.

Unfortunately, the majority are too dumb to think for themselves anymore, and instead like being shepherded around.

It really is a shame. I agree.

PinstripesAndPithHelmets · 02-20-2008, 07:06 PM

I done told you all: Tom Waits IS jesus. or maybe Jesus was Tom Waits. Watch the video. Honestly, he breaks it all down.

Clockwork · 02-20-2008, 07:06 PM

I have to say, as someone who identifies to a reasonable extent with Christianity, I am HIGHLY OFFENDED by all of you ASSWIPES who have convoluted the meaning of this thread with such insensitivity!

If you don't agree with or practice Christianity, fine, and I know you have your reasons - but that's enough of the fucking Jeebus jokes. That is outrightly offensive and uncalled for.

If you want to discuss the fallacies of the religion in a respectful and mature manner, I've no problem at all, but doing it in this thread would STILL be an issue, because this is for people who have been 'saved by Jesus.' If you've nothing on that matter to contribute to this thread, you should GTFO.

SHITE.

Stormtrooper of Death · 02-20-2008, 07:08 PM

No, Jesus is really Glenn Danzig.

knightmare · 02-20-2008, 07:08 PM

Homosexuality is mentioned in the Old Testament and in the New Testament (even excluding Paul's epistles). The whole Christian belief is based on the entire Scriptures, written over hundreds of years, not just Paul's epistles.

PinstripesAndPithHelmets · 02-20-2008, 07:08 PM

Who said I was joking?

L'Oiseau Noir · 02-20-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KontanKarite

It really is a shame. I agree.

O' course, how else do you think we keep getting dumbfucks like Bush in office?

'Cause people like to vote for the candidate, even if they'll suck and fail to do much of anything in office, who has the most cash, the ritziest commercials, and also because of their own personal biases. But, when you choose to stop thinking for yourself that's generally what happens.

MollyMac · 02-20-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by knightmare

Homosexuality is mentioned in the Old Testament and in the New Testament (even excluding Paul's epistles). The whole Christian belief is based on the entire Scriptures, written over hundreds of years, not just Paul's epistles.

Aside from a vagarity in the story of Lot- where?

PinstripesAndPithHelmets · 02-20-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormtrooper of Death

No, Jesus is really Glenn Danzig.

Lies. Danzig MAY have the long hair, but I'm pretty sure that Tom Waits could part the sea. By yelling at it. Through a megaphone.

KontanKarite · 02-20-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormtrooper of Death

No, Jesus is really Glenn Danzig.

Not true. He got beat up. He's really a wuss.

Stormtrooper of Death · 02-20-2008, 07:12 PM

I really don't see what people think is so offensive about homosexuality. If you're happy, thats all that counts I think. I think that Henry Rollins' stance is the best.